Lots of new players on XBL.. Use some good sportsmanship.

(SinDonor) #61

Be kind. Don’t spawn camp newbs on CC.

(tangoliber) #62

[QUOTE=SinDonor;367607]It is really not so hard to do. When you are ready to play, before anything loads, your system should ping available server/hosts and say, “Hey buddy, I want to join with X number of people, do you have room?” and your system keeps asking around until a server replies with YES. This happens all behind the scenes while you, the player, is staring at a fancy “Seaching for games” pop up.

Once a server replies with YES it immediately locks down the necessary spots and your lobby of 1-8 players joins the match automatically. If any other large groups try to join the same server right after the server told your group YES, and the server is too full for their party, that other group gets told NO and they keep auto-searching.

I don’t know why so many games do this poorly. It is one of the few things I like about the Call of Duty games, we usually can get into a match no problem, even if we have 6 or more friends in our lobby.[/QUOTE]

There are not enough people searching Brink matchmaking for that. It would just separate us more.
A party system wouldn’t make anything better. For a game with a small population like Brink, you need to have a match browser.
Not sure if it can be implemented though at this point in time.

If you implement a party system, then all that would happen is that you get your 5 or so friends together, and then you end up in a room with nothing but bots.

(SinDonor) #63

[QUOTE=tangoliber;367847]There are not enough people searching Brink matchmaking for that. It would just separate us more.
A party system wouldn’t make anything better. For a game with a small population like Brink, you need to have a match browser.
Not sure if it can be implemented though at this point in time.

If you implement a party system, then all that would happen is that you get your 5 or so friends together, and then you end up in a room with nothing but bots.[/QUOTE]

I am not so sure. On XBL there are thousands of people playing Brink. Sure it ain’t MILLIONS like CoD or Halo, but it is enough to get some good matches filled.

If the network code is written correctly, when you and your party decide to start playing, you choose your game mode and the game scans all running servers (just like how CoD, BFBC2, Homefront do it). Then it sticks your party of 2-8 players where ever they fit first. If for some strange reason, there’s not a single match available that has enough room for your party, then yes, you start you own match vs bots and other people/parties join your game.

I’d rather be playing against bots for a few minutes while Brink sends players our way than sitting in a lobby forever looking for a match with the correct amount of empty slots available.

(wolfnemesis75) #64

[QUOTE=SinDonor;367854]I am not so sure. On XBL there are thousands of people playing Brink. Sure it ain’t MILLIONS like CoD or Halo, but it is enough to get some good matches filled.

If the network code is written correctly, when you and your party decide to start playing, you choose your game mode and the game scans all running servers (just like how CoD, BFBC2, Homefront do it). Then it sticks your party of 2-8 players where ever they fit first. If for some strange reason, there’s not a single match available that has enough room for your party, then yes, you start you own match vs bots and other people/parties join your game.

I’d rather be playing against bots for a few minutes while Brink sends players our way than sitting in a lobby forever looking for a match with the correct amount of empty slots available.[/QUOTE]

I am here too. I’d rather start playing sooner rather than later. The bots allow you to start a match literally in 10 seconds or something. :slight_smile:

(SinDonor) #65

SD just needs to better realize when the bot-heavy team is getting owned and boost their AI to HARD levels.

(tangoliber) #66

[QUOTE=SinDonor;367854]I am not so sure. On XBL there are thousands of people playing Brink. Sure it ain’t MILLIONS like CoD or Halo, but it is enough to get some good matches filled.

If the network code is written correctly, when you and your party decide to start playing, you choose your game mode and the game scans all running servers (just like how CoD, BFBC2, Homefront do it). Then it sticks your party of 2-8 players where ever they fit first. If for some strange reason, there’s not a single match available that has enough room for your party, then yes, you start you own match vs bots and other people/parties join your game.

I’d rather be playing against bots for a few minutes while Brink sends players our way than sitting in a lobby forever looking for a match with the correct amount of empty slots available.[/QUOTE]

Our matchmaking doesn’t work well with 1 person trying to find a game… trying to find a game with a party would be much harder. Thousands of people is not enough… Tens of thousands might not even be enough for party matchmaking to work past the point of 3v3, unless you let parties go up against teams of randoms.

If you have a match browser, everything is visible. You can see what matches are available, and the kind of match you want to play is either there or it isn’t there. Going for lobbies/matchmaking instead just makes the process blind, and makes you wonder if the kind of game you are looking for does exist and you just aren’t getting matched up with it.

And with a match browser system, you can create your own game and play against bots until people join if you like.

(dabis) #67

I sorta see where the OP is coming from with the whole be nice to new players idea. I hopped on today to play for just a few matches, and it threw me into a 8v8 game like it often does since the DLC has been released, only to find that one team was dominating the other pretty heavily. At the end of the match, everyone on my team was sitting at over 1000 exp total, and it wasn’t hard to win, while the other team had 2-3 people over 1000, and the rest were under.

Naturally, because they got beat so bad, everyone but 3 people on the other team left the match, and I don’t really blame them for doing so. The next match or two continued just like that, the good team would beat the guys who weren’t as good on the resistance team, then over 50% would leave after the match. If new players experience this in a lot of the lobbies they play in, I could see it potentially turning them off from the game completely.

One way I think they could fix this would be maybe making a matchmaking system similar to that of Call of Duty that randomizes and equalizes teams prior to every match, so it doesn’t start off a 8v1-3 match over and over as the people on the losing team rage quit or leave for different games.

(Sleepy) #68

I agree with the boosting bot AI to hard. Those bot are vicious! I think they’re better than most players I ever met when they come at you in groups of 2 or more.

Boosting the AI will even help in balancing the team inbalance thing. Now everyone want to go to the team with more bots, because more bots = better chance at winning :stuck_out_tongue:

(SinDonor) #69

[QUOTE=Sleepy;367905]I agree with the boosting bot AI to hard. Those bot are vicious! I think they’re better than most players I ever met when they come at you in groups of 2 or more.

Boosting the AI will even help in balancing the team inbalance thing. Now everyone want to go to the team with more bots, because more bots = better chance at winning :P[/QUOTE]

Yeah, trying to complete the last Obj on Terminal vs a team full of hard AI bots is nigh impossible. Too many people complained about the enemy bot difficulty initially, so I think SD dumbed them down a bit.

(Baiken6609) #70

Add evilerthedongal for brink fun

(SinDonor) #71

Post that in the Community Game Night thread up top as well.

(wolfnemesis75) #72

Some more good sportsmanship tips:

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[li]Don’t keep choosing maps where you are on Defense.
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[li]Alternate map votes so you Attack and Defend, and not Defend twice in a row is a good idea.
[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]Don’t play tricks with the vote, like wait to cast your vote just before the timer so you can force your map
[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]Let the other team vote if you are winning on more than two or three maps in a row.
[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]Play all the maps. Don’t keep choosing the same maps.
[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]Select the new maps often.
[/li][/ul]
:slight_smile:

(SinDonor) #73

I felt bad last night. I camped by the 2nd Resistance spawn as a Sec and mowed down people in the little hallway with my double buffed Gotlung while you were fixing the crane. I think I killed 5-6 people as they were all clumped up in the hallway, jumping all over each other, scrambling and trying to get out of the wrath of my bullet hose. Fish in a barrel. So, then they just kinda hung back in their spawn chucking grenades and Lobsters out the door.

Then I realized I was being a jerk and ran back to the crane. I did throw a flash bang before I left and got a +150 though. :wink:

(1111) #74

[QUOTE=wolfnemesis75;368053]Some more good sportsmanship tips:

[ul]
[li]Select the new maps often.
[/li][/ul]
[/QUOTE]

What does this have to do with good sportmanship? It’s totally up to everyone’s preferences and I know I’m not alone when I say I don’t like to play the new maps. Otherwise a good post about gaming ethics.

(SinDonor) #75

I think Wolf says this because the new maps are designed better than some of the original maps, as per the SD guys. They said they learned a lot about better map design for SMART and etc.

They are 2 of my top 3 faves currently.

(wolfnemesis75) #76

If you pick the new maps, peeps will stick around. Not exactly sportsmanship just wise. But if your team excels on Ship Yard, don’t keep picking it every chance you get. Or keep choosing maps you are comfortable with, is my point. People are gonna want to play the new maps, so if you notice a vote go that way and then your team stacks the vote in favor of an old map, don’t be surprised if folks start dropping out on the other team. Keep an eye out. :slight_smile:

(nephandys) #77

[QUOTE=SinDonor;368066]I felt bad last night. I camped by the 2nd Resistance spawn as a Sec and mowed down people in the little hallway with my double buffed Gotlung while you were fixing the crane. I think I killed 5-6 people as they were all clumped up in the hallway, jumping all over each other, scrambling and trying to get out of the wrath of my bullet hose. Fish in a barrel. So, then they just kinda hung back in their spawn chucking grenades and Lobsters out the door.

Then I realized I was being a jerk and ran back to the crane. I did throw a flash bang before I left and got a +150 though. :wink:[/QUOTE]
lol at least you weren’t crouched in the planters of the Resistance spawn room on Resort like me and Wolf. Somehow we managed to make it past the spawn turrets and get into an area that was 100% safe. Everytime the team would spawn, usually in a group of 6-8, we’d wait for immunity to end, and then wipe them. We did it like 4 times before I finally ran out of pips on my medic and we wiped.

SD might want to think about beefing up or tweaking the protection in the spawn areas. Sorry to anyone on that team, it was my first time finding that spot, and I was having some fun.

(SinDonor) #78

[QUOTE=nephandys;368178]lol at least you weren’t crouched in the planters of the Resistance spawn room on Resort like me and Wolf. Somehow we managed to make it past the spawn turrets and get into an area that was 100% safe. Everytime the team would spawn, usually in a group of 6-8, we’d wait for immunity to end, and then wipe them. We did it like 4 times before I finally ran out of pips on my medic and we wiped.

SD might want to think about beefing up or tweaking the protection in the spawn areas. Sorry to anyone on that team, it was my first time finding that spot, and I was having some fun.[/QUOTE]

Bunch of jerks!

There a Brink SMART video online that shows you how to sneak past auto-turrets into many enemy spawn areas.

I think this video has some examples of it:

(nephandys) #79

[QUOTE=SinDonor;368187]Bunch of jerks!

There a Brink SMART video online that shows you how to sneak past auto-turrets into many enemy spawn areas.

I think this video has some examples of it:


yeah I usually try to avoid doing that it’s no fun for the other team and wouldn’t be fun for me if I was doing it all the time, but somehow everything worked out perfectly on getting into that spawn and finding the right spot to set up camp.

(Sleepy) #80

[QUOTE=wolfnemesis75;368053]Some more good sportsmanship tips:

[ul]
[li]Don’t keep choosing maps where you are on Defense.
[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]Alternate map votes so you Attack and Defend, and not Defend twice in a row is a good idea.
[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]Don’t play tricks with the vote, like wait to cast your vote just before the timer so you can force your map
[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]Let the other team vote if you are winning on more than two or three maps in a row.
[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]Play all the maps. Don’t keep choosing the same maps.
[/li][/ul]

[ul]
[li]Select the new maps often.
[/li][/ul]
:)[/QUOTE]

I agree!

I was playing against a resistance team with superior number last night and they voted for container city… By the time our team has 8 players, we were getting spawn camped =_=