Let's talk about the "Change Team" function.

[Cletus_VanDamme]

@scorchingTongs Your screenshots prove nothing other than the fact that you’re a sook m8.

Most of those games aren’t even unbalanced.

[GatoCommodore]

[quote=“Jostabeere;205341”][quote=“Xenithos;205312”]
/s means “Sarcasm to whatever was just said” in Reddit terminology.
I don’t frequent Reddit EVER but that means N80 was being a sarcastic funny ‘jerk’ as usual. You misunderstood him, which your efforts against him just now ended up making you look bad, and him looking even funnier; despite the bad situation.[/quote]
Don’t use reddit at all. No idea that “/s” was. And even sarcasm doesn’t change the fact.

@N8o And no. The teams started out as a 5vs7 and noone joined us for the whole game. You won 7:1. And yhou shot me in the face multiple times. With a gun.
[/quote]

(people use non formal language in forum which people talk normal)
i say go back to reddit @N8o and never come back. i already unsubcribed too.

kool people on youtube fueling and making DB look bad.
if i were you i would shout everywhere so people will look bad when they stack teams and create a new norm.

thats how ist done m8s

[DefaultSettings]

OP, your last screen shots don’t prove anything apart from the fact that you pay to much attention to the levels. The last games you posted aint unbalanced at all. I don’t mean to be rude but you’re just a level 10 whining.
I may have had the same feeling when started playing. "Omg a LVL 40 just joined we are dead " You know what I did ? I put a lot of effort in DB cause I love this game.
Keep practicing. The better you are, the most you will balance games by yourself.

[Herr_Hanz]

Let me make this clear:

• Team switching isnt an explot.
• If you think people wont switch to their friends team just because of balance you are delusional.
• why should i have to go to ranked to play with my friends? i want to play obj 8v8 with them, so i am going to do that. who cares if a level 53 and level 91 are playing together? it may look stacked, but we are just having fun playing, we are not going balls to the wall tryhard trying everything in our power to make the enemy team ragequit.
• in my hours of playing all ive ever encountered was noobs switching to the winning team. i cant recall seeing someone team switch just to stomp.
• playing with your friends is more fun than against them, and im my case it also allows my friends to play and not RQ because i annoy them by killing them.

get out of level 10 OP and git gud

This thread -_-
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/60/609299a1128b20719e1ce667a0b10bd8bd11267167e1ab5fbe3af6fb74cd30f9.jpg

[vSyNd]

[quote=“sandstormMosaic;205353”]OP, your last screen shots don’t prove anything apart from the fact that you pay to much attention to the levels. The last games you posted aint unbalanced at all. I don’t mean to be rude but you’re just a level 10 whining.
I may have had the same feeling when started playing. "Omg a LVL 40 just joined we are dead " You know what I did ? I put a lot of effort in DB cause I love this game.
Keep practicing. The better you are, the most you will balance games by yourself.[/quote]

In my very last screenshot I posted, the team I was playing against admits to doing the Exploit, so try using your eyes a bit more.

Also, everyone that tries to argue with me brings up the fact that players have a certain level, and I have NEVER said only the high levels are the players doing it. So far 3-4 of you have come in here pointing out levels, and that has nothing to do with the OP. Try again.

I am by no means a terrible player at the game, I would call myself above average for sure. I find myself floating at the top of the scoreboard on average. I don’t see levels as a threat at all, all I see is a player that has face grind this game for a while, doesn’t make them good. I see high level players getting rolled all the time by low levels.

You guy’s focus on these levels is arbitrary to the OP. A new player could come in with a level 1 and be a 10 on the skill level, a level 143 could only be a 3 on the skill level, and that is all based on players own skill cap.

I’ve seen high level players getting stomped as well as low level players getting stomped. It all has to do with player skill level, and when players with higher skill level stacking teams they roll anyone that comes through. Causing the game to be unbalance, not fun, and that is why you see the reviews for an Unbalance Game.

[quote=“Herr_Hanz;205375”]Let me make this clear:

• Team switching isnt an explot.
• If you think people wont switch to their friends team just because of balance you are delusional.
• why should i have to go to ranked to play with my friends? i want to play obj 8v8 with them, so i am going to do that. who cares if a level 53 and level 91 are playing together? it may look stacked, but we are just having fun playing, we are not going balls to the wall tryhard trying everything in our power to make the enemy team ragequit.
• in my hours of playing all ive ever encountered was noobs switching to the winning team. i cant recall seeing someone team switch just to stomp.
• playing with your friends is more fun than against them, and im my case it also allows my friends to play and not RQ because i annoy them by killing them.

get out of level 10 OP and git gud

This thread -_-

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I agree Team Changing isn’t an exploit, but Team Changing for the sole reason to get an advantage over another player is the very definition of an Exploit. People in this game do it.

In my OP I said I know people switch teams to balance the game and play with their friends. I have never stated they didn’t, try again.

I never said it’s your levels that make you stacked. It’s your skill level. I know absolutely nothing about you and your friends skill level, there’s a chance I can stomp you guys, I have no idea based on your levels, I’d have to play you to find out your skill level.

In a few of my Pictures there are some low levels that stack and stomp a team, in other examples there are high level players doing it. People do it, I’m not pointing at one or the other, I’m pointing at everyone that does it to gain the advantage on other players instead of keeping the game balanced and fun.

Also your comment get out of level 10 and get gud… LOL… Bashing people you know nothing about. Classy.

[n-x]

In my very last screenshot I posted, the team I was playing against admits to doing the Exploit, so try using your eyes a bit more.

Someone pressing the quickchat is not a confession, he rather was making fun of you.

[quote=“scorchingTongs;205392”]
Also, everyone that tries to argue with me brings up the fact that players have a certain level, and I have NEVER said only the high levels are the players doing it. So far 3-4 of you have come in here pointing out levels, and that has nothing to do with the OP. Try again.[/quote]

People often use high level interchangeable with high skill, because high level often means a lot of experience and a lot of experience means often good player. Furthermore, like I said before. When a game just started and someone wants to stack he has to go by lvl, because it is the only indicator, if he doesnt know the players.

If you really want to talk just skilled players and I mean players better than the average. Most long time players here said, that skilled player stacking in a team is not a problem and doesnt occure often. As for sub average players, it doesnt matter, because they hardly change the balance.

[aminuseternal]

@stayfreshshoe please save us from the madness that is this thread.

[n-x]

@aminuseternal NOOO!. We are already half way down the rabbit hole. Lets see whats on the other side.

[vSyNd]

Someone pressing the quickchat is not a confession, he rather was making fun of you.

People often use high level interchangeable with high skill, because high level often means a lot of experience and a lot of experience means often good player. Furthermore, like I said before. When a game just started and someone wants to stack he has to go by lvl, because it is the only indicator, if he doesnt know the players.

If you really want to talk just skilled players and I mean players better than the average. Most long time players here said, that skilled player stacking in a team is not a problem and doesnt occure often. As for sub average players, it doesnt matter, because they hardly change the balance.

Did you see the game before the confession? They were on a team together. When the lobby first rolled they were NOT on a team together, they used the “-> Join” feature to switch teams during lobby, a few left, but then came back after the game started and switched teams. On top of that, he answers yes to a yes or no question.

I agree, people do often use high level as a representation of high skill, it is a decent way to figure out who at least knows how the game works, but their skill level on how they perform is way different than their knowledge.

Yes players do have to look at levels to try and Stack, but some players know who each other are without knowing their levels, people remember names and past performances to know who is skilled.

Taking the levels out of the game is probably a good start.

The example I gave was 2 matches in a row of players intentionally stacking, doing whatever they could to get on a team together, and their skill level was represented in the match before where they pub stomped.

The fact that Stacking occurs at all means you’re admitting to the Exploit, I hope you realize that. I gave reasons it is a problem, and those reasons are proven.

Steam Charts numbers prove that the game is slowly losing more and more players. Many reviews claim P2W (which we know is not true), other claim Balancing is way off, and there are other reasons for bad reviews, but here I’m obviously focusing on the Balance issues.

I agree low skill players switching teams doesn’t stack the teams. None issue.

[Amerika]

This is going in circles now. Switching teams is a feature, not an exploit. These are pub games and being able to switch teams has been a feature of many games going back literally decades. People who do switch to either stomp or to cause imbalance is being a troll/jerk but that’s it. People who switch to play with their friends is a valid reason even if sometimes it can be a big jerk’ish if it heavily throws off balance in a server.

These are some of the reasons why CMM has been worked on so heavily. It allows players to party with others and go pubbing which most modern games have. They will then, hopefully, be quickly matched up against other players in their skill bracket. Which means you’ll play against people who will hopefully be as good as you as opposed to players that have a big or little number next to their name (levels). Levels will be removed so we can be rid of these really dumb screenshots that ignores the scores and focuses entirely on levels.

Again, changing teams it not an exploit and even stacking is not an exploit. It’s something allowed by the game and the devs (and they have spoken about the topic on multiple occasions) and is a multi-decade old “feature”. What people do with that feature can be viewed as ethically immoral (or moral depending on what was done) but that’s it. It is not an exploit.

Since this whole thread has devolved quite a bit and is going in circles I’m closing it.