Let's talk about the "Change Team" function.

(vSyNd) #10

Why change your original post? It’s spot on… A lot of players do this. You don’t have to conform, you can change the way things are.

(TheStrangerous) #11

Why change your original post? It’s spot on… A lot of players do this. You don’t have to conform, you can change the way things are.[/quote]

I realized that some players join, and other leave at any time. So apparently even taking away team change won’t help.

Pubs are unorganized chaos. shrugs

(n-x) #12

[quote=“scorchingTongs;205082”]

I didn’t pull it out of anywhere.

All you have to do is keep an eye out for this happening, and you’ll see it’s on more than 1/2 the games.

I can agree that some players do it for the right reasons, but the majority of players don’t.

I don’t understand why people are defending this Exploit… it has been and is going to kill the game.[/quote]

How you know that some players do it for the right reasons, but the majority of players dont. You just claim something. Have you talked to them: Did they say: “Now we are going to stack to stomp newbs!”?

Really in 1/2 of the games you have played you have seen experienced players change sides to stack to stomp? Half? Because from my experience high level players tend to switch to a lower team if that would balance the match. Of course, they wont if they end in a complete sub level 10 team and would leave a 20+ team for it.

And the question about your in-game time was no joke. I would really like to know, how much time you have actually spend in-game to make such claims.

(vSyNd) #13

[quote=“TheStrangerous;205092”]I realized that some players join, and other leave at any time. So apparently even taking away team change won’t help.

Pubs are unorganized chaos. shrugs[/quote]

There isn’t a way to perfectly fix things, I agree.

As far as I can tell Pubs are the only playable types of games. Ranked queue times are unplayable IMO. That’s a whole other topic though, so I digress.

I brought the topic up in hopes that it gets fixed, SOON. If it doesn’t get fixed soon, I’ll grow tired of watching people Exploit the system and leave.

I’m sure some people don’t care that it’s in the game, but I’ve given my piece about why it fundamentally is bad for the game, and I’ll make sure to spread the word about it’s design flaws so if they don’t fix it, it will ruin the game. Either way I guess I’ll live.

(vSyNd) #14

[quote=“Kelben;205095”]How you know that some players do it for the right reasons, but the majority of players dont. You just claim something. Have you talked to them: Did they say: “Now we are going to stack to stomp newbs!”?

Really in 1/2 of the games you have played you have seen experienced players change sides to stack to stomp? Half? Because from my experience high level players tend to switch to a lower team if that would balance the match. Of course, they wont if they end in a complete sub level 10 team and would leave a 20+ team for it.

And the question about your in-game time was no joke. I would really like to know, how much time you have actually spend in-game to make such claims.[/quote]

ye yea, my statitics aren’t 100% perfect, oh well, you get the point I’m trying to make.

Also, if I do it in 100% of the games I play, then technically the % is higher based on what I’ve seen. LUL… Don’t worry, I’ll just watch others do it.

(Nail) #15

it’s not an exploit.

(vSyNd) #16

In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game’s designers.

So unless the Game’s Designers wanted people to use Team Change in the way many players are doing it… then yes, it IS an Exploit.

(Nail) #17

it’s intended, it’s not a bug

(Jostabeere) #18

You have no idea. I came around so many games where people stacked teams with clanmates to win. People like @N8o did this all the time to stomp uneven teams.
Every “experienced” player would have no issue to play against his friend/s for a match when the balance would be restored. Sadly, the majority in this game doesn’t give half a steaming crap about balance and want a quick win.
And in my 700 hours I only came around two guys on a really high level who cared for balance. @LifeupOmega and ragnak.
Most high levels in pub don’t give half a crap either.

(vSyNd) #19

You didn’t read all of it, I made sure to “Bold” the part that you should have focused on. Not only Bug, but also glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed.

So it’s in there.

(n-x) #20

[quote=“Jostabeere;205105”]

You have no idea. I came around so many games where people stacked teams with clanmates to win. People like @N8o did this all the time to stomp uneven teams.
Every “experienced” player would have no issue to play against his friend/s for a match when the balance would be restored. Sadly, the majority in this game doesn’t give half a steaming crap about balance and want a quick win.
And in my 700 hours I only came around two guys on a really high level who cared for balance. @LifeupOmega and ragnak.
Most high levels in pub don’t give half a crap either.[/quote]

You are mixing 2 things together.

Yes, people are trying to get on the same team with their clan mates and yes there are douchebags who do that to pub stomp. But there are also people who just want to play with their friends / team mates. Giving half a crap about balance is not the same as purposely switching sides to stomp the weaker team.

OP claims that experienced players change sides to pub stomp. That this happens half of his games. Think about the games you had in your 700 hours. Did in half of those games people stack. And I am not talking about team mates. I am talking about one random high lvl player sees that he has the chance of teaming up with another random high lvl player on the other team. Half of your games. You played 350 hours against stacked teams…

Furthermore all this about team stacking how it is killing the game one day after the casual match making test…

(supergonzo) #21

Déjà vu

(Jostabeere) #22

If I would play with friends, I would care more about a balanced game and play against my friends than playing with them on one team for the sake of being on one team.
You can have fun both way, with your friends, and against them. But in some cases, one of those things means no fun for a whole team of enemies.

(n-x) #23

@Jostabeere Still has nothing to do with what OP said and what I said.

(vSyNd) #24

[quote=“Kelben;205111”]You are mixing 2 things together.

Yes, people are trying to get on the same team with their clan mates and yes there are douchebags who do that to pub stomp. But there are also people who just want to play with their friends / team mates. Giving half a crap about balance is not the same as purposely switching sides to stomp the weaker team.

OP claims that experienced players change sides to pub stomp. That this happens half of his games. Think about the games you had in your 700 hours. Did in half of those games people stack. And I am not talking about team mates. I am talking about one random high lvl player sees that he has the chance of teaming up with another random high lvl player on the other team. Half of your games. You played 350 hours against stacked teams…

Furthermore all this about team stacking how it is killing the game one day after the casual match making test…

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I’m not here to give you a perfect statistical analysis of how Team Stacking is happening. Obviously my “1/2” wasn’t SPOT on, but you are sitting here and AGREEING that it happens, and act like it’s no big deal.

People are Exploiting the game, but it’s no big deal.

And if you have to argue and be right about is my random statistical analysis, then you need to up your game. Give me good reasons why Change Team shouldn’t be taken out of the game, I can only think of 1, and most of the time that 1 reason isn’t the reason people use Team Change.

They want to play with their friends?
Ranked Matchmaking

They want to play as attack/defender?
Play Stopwatch Mode, you’ll have the chance to play both sides, Server Browser and Ranked Matchmaking have the Stopwatch Mode.

And for your last one. Yup, the only good reason, the reason a small % of people use.

(vSyNd) #25

[quote=“supergonzo;205112”]Déjà vu
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I was told the devs don’t read steam posts, so maybe here.

I am trying to make the game better, can’t say much for what others intentions are… Well I kinda can, Exploiting seems to be most peoples intention.

(n-x) #26

That what you are describing. Experienced players, changing teams to stomp in pubs. Just this. Is no problem at all. I have roughly the same in-game time as Jostabeere. This is the foundation of my argument. Over 750 hours in game. It doesnt make me a great player but I have spent a lot of time in-game. Yes, I have seen team members trying to get together on one side. Yes, I have seen people joining the winning team, but mostly low levels. Yes, from time to time you see a high level player switch sides to another high level player. But, and this is my point, does not automatically mean that he does it to pub stomp.

Random high level players just waiting until there is one team missing one player to jump over, is not a problem. Even more since, if there is a dominant team it is way more likely that players from the losing team are dropping and thus the player willing to stack doesnt even have a chance to do it.

I see that you put a lot of work into your theory. But it is just not there.

There are several points that take away a lot of credibility from your post, like calling this an exploit. It’s not an exploit. Maybe it sucks if people are doing this, but it is not an exploit.

Starting this whole giant thread one day after the CMM test… Why? CMM will take care of your “exploit”

If that was such a huge thing, why isnt the forum full with rage posts about this. Do you really think you found a game breaking exploit 1000 of other players who probably spend way more time in-game werent able to find?

(Noblemight) #27

It’s a gameplay feature people like to abuse. Simple fix, wipe a player’s game stats for doing this. Also warn players that switching teams means abandoning their stats. And for the love of all that is holy we don’t need a vote shuffle feature. I actually enjoy struggling against a tougher team if my teammates are in it with me.

(vSyNd) #28

[quote=“Kelben;205127”]That what you are describing. Experienced players, changing teams to stomp in pubs. Just this. Is no problem at all. I have roughly the same in-game time as Jostabeere. This is the foundation of my argument. Over 750 hours in game. It doesnt make me a great player but I have spent a lot of time in-game. Yes, I have seen team members trying to get together on one side. Yes, I have seen people joining the winning team, but mostly low levels. Yes, from time to time you see a high level player switch sides to another high level player. But, and this is my point, does not automatically mean that he does it to pub stomp.

Random high level players just waiting until there is one team missing one player to jump over, is not a problem. Even more since, if there is a dominant team it is way more likely that players from the losing team are dropping and thus the player willing to stack doesnt even have a chance to do it.

I see that you put a lot of work into your theory. But it is just not there.

There are several points that take away a lot of credibility from your post, like calling this an exploit. It’s not an exploit. Maybe it sucks if people are doing this, but it is not an exploit.

Starting this whole giant thread one day after the CMM test… Why? CMM will take care of your “exploit”

If that was such a huge thing, why isnt the forum full with rage posts about this. Do you really think you found a game breaking exploit 1000 of other players who probably spend way more time in-game werent able to find?

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I technically never said High Level Players. I said experienced players, players that understand you can switch teams to get the advantage. Don’t add words I didn’t use.

Now that that is cleared up.

Yes, I put the work were work was needed. The balancing, which the devs are working on RIGHT NOW is broken. I have figured out one of the reasons, people Team Stacking, so yes I have found something all the other players didn’t.

If any of those 5000+ other players were to have found it, don’t you think the devs wouldn’t still be working on balance as we speak?

This is the very definition of an Exploit. Try reading some other posts to gather more information. Seems you have overlooked something yourself.

CMM is a whole different topic, I don’t want to get into, but I’ll leave 1 response to your question.

CMM does take care of it, you can’t switch teams in CMM. Perfect/Fixed, but the queue times are terrible, and there is no chance for players to fill the empty spots when people drop out, so those 2 things kind of trump the “Fix” for the Change Team Issue. I think CMM is bad for the game due to the 2 things I mentioned, other than that I liked it.

God I hope you understood what I just said in that response, I don’t want to derail this post, so please don’t.

(vSyNd) #29

Might be an option, I wonder if it would be enough to make people not do it. I mean technically players do it at the start of matches when they can, really they just do it ASAP, so the wiping of the score wouldn’t matter at the early stages in the game.

Overall probably wont fix the issue, because if players do it at the start like I mentioned, they would still have a good score by the end of the game.

I like the matches that feel I have a chance to win, but it’s a struggle and not a stomp. They are the most fun, the roller coaster ride of “We’re fucked” all the way to “OMG, Push push push, we got it finally.”. :smiley: