im sick of these people crying they want their ‘‘op’’ class back.
honestly phantom for me was never a big deal, the only time i got killed by phantom was when the phantom was played smart.
i’ll explain, i want to point out that i dont have phantom.
the most effective way to use phantom is flank, and use your gun, yes you probably think that the katana is the best thing in the world but from my experience it isnt.
if you use your gun you have 90% of the times the advantage of 1v1 situations because you see them first, that’s the best thing ever even without the armor (you dont need that) you will still have the advantage.
now you think that the katana is still better because it kills faster, well first off a good player will just outrun you back and shoot you in the head after your first swing.
let’s suppose you swing once with your katana the animation is kinda slow so you have like 0.5 seconds for another swing, if he is good enough he would just walk back and shoot you in the head and you wont even have the opportunity to hit him with the katana. you could still have the opportunity to switch to your gun though, hardly you’re gonna make it alive, and if you do what would be your hp? like 20.
let’s talk about flanking, this is basically what a good phantom player should do, flanking is perfect especially when you’re attacking and the only thing you have to know is use your smg.
literally use your smg any time that’s the best way to win everything with phantom, you flank a group of 3 people you pullout your gun aim for the head and it’s done.
LEARN TO PLAY PHANTOM FOR GOD SAKE
I’m sure people have learned to play him and most of us don’t want our “OP class back.” What we want is a cloak that’s actually stealthy. GASP Because right now it doesn’t matter how you play him, if you are moving you are extremely visible.
Yes you can be sneaky and flank around, you could do that with any other merc. His cloak is barely a factor in being stealthy anymore unless you stay completely still. They overnerfed the stealth aspect and kept his shield for whatever reason, so now what we have is just a guy with a shield and an SMG. Boring.
[quote=“cornJester;53028”]I’m sure people have learned to play him and most of us don’t want our “OP class back.” What we want is a cloak that’s actually stealthy. GASP Because right now it doesn’t matter how you play him, if you are moving you are extremely visible.
Yes you can be sneaky and flank around, you could do that with any other merc. His cloak is barely a factor in being stealthy anymore unless you stay completely still. They overnerfed the stealth aspect and kept his shield for whatever reason, so now what we have is just a guy with a shield and an SMG. Boring.[/quote]
‘‘extremely visible’’ that is so false i dont really see that much difference between then and now
[quote=“RecurveZ;53034”][quote=“cornJester;53028”]I’m sure people have learned to play him and most of us don’t want our “OP class back.” What we want is a cloak that’s actually stealthy. GASP Because right now it doesn’t matter how you play him, if you are moving you are extremely visible.
Yes you can be sneaky and flank around, you could do that with any other merc. His cloak is barely a factor in being stealthy anymore unless you stay completely still. They overnerfed the stealth aspect and kept his shield for whatever reason, so now what we have is just a guy with a shield and an SMG. Boring.[/quote]
‘‘extremely visible’’ that is so false i dont really see that much difference between then and now[/quote]
Extremely visible is hardly false. If you cannot spot any Phantom player in front of you at this point in time then you seriously need to work on your awareness (and I don’t mean you specifically.) I have seen Phantoms and been seen from a good distance away and not once since the update have I missed a Phantom moving in front of me or in my peripheral vision. He’s a dark grey blob moving across your screen.
The fact is he wasn’t as stealthy as he should’ve been before and they made it even worse. They’re keeping the tanky shield part at the cost of the stealth part and that is wrong.
[quote=“cornJester;53035”][quote=“RecurveZ;53034”][quote=“cornJester;53028”]I’m sure people have learned to play him and most of us don’t want our “OP class back.” What we want is a cloak that’s actually stealthy. GASP Because right now it doesn’t matter how you play him, if you are moving you are extremely visible.
Yes you can be sneaky and flank around, you could do that with any other merc. His cloak is barely a factor in being stealthy anymore unless you stay completely still. They overnerfed the stealth aspect and kept his shield for whatever reason, so now what we have is just a guy with a shield and an SMG. Boring.[/quote]
‘‘extremely visible’’ that is so false i dont really see that much difference between then and now[/quote]
Extremely visible is hardly false. If you cannot spot any Phantom player in front of you at this point in time then you seriously need to work on your awareness (and I don’t mean you specifically.) I have seen Phantoms and been seen from a good distance away and not once since the update have I missed a Phantom moving in front of me or in my peripheral vision. He’s a dark grey blob moving across your screen.
The fact is he wasn’t as stealthy as he should’ve been before and they made it even worse. They’re keeping the tanky shield part at the cost of the stealth part and that is wrong.
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it’s not about spotting him infront of you it’s about the times when you dont spot him and he is running around in mid range he still has the advantage to see you first MOST of the times like i said
phantom at this point is a trashy fragged with no clear, no impact on a game.
good phantom players will still play good. too bad i’ve never seen a good phantom player
He is viable if you have good aim. I agree that I’d rather see a cloak buff and nerf to his HP and shield instead, but he is defintely not that bad. Arty is worse.
I kinda enjoy the new phantom. It actually require a brain to be used effectively.
Good or not, all phantoms should be focusing on flanking when the map and enemy team allows it. That includes those who are chivalry players who can’t touch a gun, although they shouldn’t be expecting as positive results with that restriction they’ve made.
Phantom is still effective, including against actually decent players. I assume people who claim otherwise were using katana as an aim crutch instead of the smg. He’s also weaker on the worse examples of map funneling where he’s forced into head-on confrontations and his ability is far less useful than a grenade launcher, for example.
That said, a flanking class is going to be more effective with more people cluttering the server to be distracting. If people want phantom to be balanced for “competitive” matchmaking, I think his stealth aspect needs to be removed so he isn’t being empowered by all the visual/player clutter in large servers and can be appropriately balanced for both player caps.
Failing that, I’d much rather he be balanced for public servers and be useless in competitive/actual competition than balanced for comp (as a bloody stealth class…) and overpowered in pub.
He definitely needs a complete rework, imo. I’ve never seen a phantom pubstomp in a min10 server as of yet.
Except it’s been confirmed that it wont be and it will be available to more mercs in the future.
Except it’s been confirmed that it wont be and it will be available to more mercs in the future.[/quote]
which is bullshit, if i may say so.
Was sniped from across the map in Chapel in the last area. Was cloaked too and no I wasn’t moving towards him. I just moved to the staircases on the leftside and bam cloak down. Forgot to mention I wasn’t running either until the cloak went down. And no there was no heart beat sensors he was across the map.
Recurve, you’re 100% right. The best way to play Phantom is to flank and use your gun.
It still doesn’t detract from the fact that he’s essentially a combat class lightly draped to look like a “stealth” class. There’s nothing “stealthy” about him now.
The mere fact that you can play Phantom BETTER with the gun than the Katana completely nullifies the fact that he was designed from the very start to be melee and stealth focused. If you look as far back as closed beta and, more recently, that E3 trailer, he’s melee. In the E3 trailer, he had a pistol maximum.
He’s not a stealth class, and he WAS the worst killer in the game. Every other merc had more safety and results than he did. Fragger can get double or triple kills with well cooked grenades easily, all while having a bigger HP pool. Vassily is the epitome of “safety” by staying far, far away, and is directly correlated to skill (good vassilys shut down, and I mean literally SHUT DOWN games). And Rhino? Well, Rhino is Rhino.
Then, they nerfed him even more. An already subpar killing machine, nerfed.
[quote=“PowerReef;53549”]I’ve never seen a phantom pubstomp in a min10 server as of yet.[/quote] I have, although not with a katana.
As an aside, min rank 10 does not mean everyone (or necessarily anyone) has good game sense or good aim. It is, fortunately, generally a lot better than the alternative. Being able to destroy in public is just like anywhere else. It’s about the relative skill of the players on the server. It’d be so nice to have identifiable community/clan servers where people would congregate when they found a closely matched skill level on the existing server community. Oh well,… [insert sadface]
[quote=“firebrickRetreiver;53650”]Recurve, you’re 100% right. The best way to play Phantom is to flank and use your gun.
It still doesn’t detract from the fact that he’s essentially a combat class lightly draped to look like a “stealth” class. There’s nothing “stealthy” about him now.
The mere fact that you can play Phantom BETTER with the gun than the Katana completely nullifies the fact that he was designed from the very start to be melee and stealth focused. If you look as far back as closed beta and, more recently, that E3 trailer, he’s melee. In the E3 trailer, he had a pistol maximum.
He’s not a stealth class, and he WAS the worst killer in the game. Every other merc had more safety and results than he did. Fragger can get double or triple kills with well cooked grenades easily, all while having a bigger HP pool. Vassily is the epitome of “safety” by staying far, far away, and is directly correlated to skill (good vassilys shut down, and I mean literally SHUT DOWN games). And Rhino? Well, Rhino is Rhino.
Then, they nerfed him even more. An already subpar killing machine, nerfed. [/quote]
as i see even more people complaining about this i might understand the fact that he should be more invisible.
but i cannot accept him having armor or such thing. he should be harder to detect i can agree on that to make him more stealth
[quote=“RecurveZ;53034”][quote=“cornJester;53028”]I’m sure people have learned to play him and most of us don’t want our “OP class back.” What we want is a cloak that’s actually stealthy. GASP Because right now it doesn’t matter how you play him, if you are moving you are extremely visible.
Yes you can be sneaky and flank around, you could do that with any other merc. His cloak is barely a factor in being stealthy anymore unless you stay completely still. They overnerfed the stealth aspect and kept his shield for whatever reason, so now what we have is just a guy with a shield and an SMG. Boring.[/quote]
‘‘extremely visible’’ that is so false i dont really see that much difference between then and now[/quote]
i said that because i’ve never find any difficoulties on spotting a phantom it was always visible to my eyes so i didnt notice that much difference imo