Katana shouldn't "favor the shooter"


(Press E) #41

@376E1AE459B1 said:

@STARRYSOCK said:
It’s easy for people to get shot slightly around a corner and assume that high ping is the >only reason they can do anything, but it’s not the full story.

oh yeah? explain to us what the full story is

I literally just did, read the bottom of that post, omg.


(aminuseternal) #42

@MuddyGrenade so jealous that you have an ugly christmas sweater sparks.

But I am not really understanding the problem. Personally, I have never had an issue with laggy phantoms. I mean I hardly get games with people with 200+ ping nowadays. Besides, phantom’s katana was only really an issue back in 2015 back in the beyblade days…


(Muddy Muddy Mud Nade) #43

@aminuseternal said:
@MuddyGrenade so jealous that you have an ugly christmas sweater sparks.

But I am not really understanding the problem. Personally, I have never had an issue with laggy phantoms. I mean I hardly get games with people with 200+ ping nowadays. Besides, phantom’s katana was only really an issue back in 2015 back in the beyblade days…

Doesn’t feel so great when you already got the same card in Containment War. Especially since that was the only card that I got after playing for the entire CW event. It was like getting slapped in the face and then being a Christmas fruitcake I didn’t ask for.
(The card is fun as hell to use, though. Combat Sparks=Best Sparks)


(aminuseternal) #44

I mean I got one for the katana plonker, and fletcher and I dont really use either


(Muddy Muddy Mud Nade) #45

@aminuseternal said:
I mean I got one for the katana plonker, and fletcher and I dont really use either

Yeah I still usually just go with my gold 383. Only use it when I’m in the mood to not actually do my job as a medic.


(RectalTerror) #46

@aminuseternal said:
But I am not really understanding the problem. Personally, I have never had an issue with >laggy phantoms. I mean I hardly get games with people with 200+ ping nowadays.

Maybe you play MM. Can’t tell, last time I used it (because there were no room in the server list) I had to wait for 3 min in order to get in the usual unbalanced match which I left immediately. But I can imagine it won’t put players in the wrong servers.

(not saying the server list is so much better, but at least you don’t have to wait for minutes, you just join another server, at one point you’ll play with the right people AND you will be able to play again with the same ones)


(CyberVonCyberus) #47

Sir, as a person who often has a lot of ping issues even in servers that are supposed to be close, I can tell you that high ping gives no advantage whatsoever.
You can’t move 5 meters without rubberbanding all over the place, half of my atttacks actually register, deployables disapear all the time, I get disconnected right at the end of a match and lose everything, it’s overall extremely infuriating and a couple of lucky katana kills are really not worth trading for being able to shoot, move and play the game proprely. Infact with how broken the meele hitboxes are, adding high ping on top makes it near impossible to get kills.


(ThunderZsolt) #48

@376E1AE459B1 said:

@aminuseternal said:
But I am not really understanding the problem. Personally, I have never had an issue with >laggy phantoms. I mean I hardly get games with people with 200+ ping nowadays.

Maybe you play MM. Can’t tell, last time I used it (because there were no room in the server list) I had to wait for 3 min in order to get in the usual unbalanced match which I left immediately. But I can imagine it won’t put players in the wrong servers.

(not saying the server list is so much better, but at least you don’t have to wait for minutes, you just join another server, at one point you’ll play with the right people AND you will be able to play again with the same ones)

Nah, if you’d using it, you would know that there are always a few players with 150-200 ms ping on both teams in matchmaking, while most players have 20-100ms.

The MM only takes your “skill” (rating) into account, and puts you on a random server in the region. It can be the closest if you have luck, or a Stockholm server with 150ms ping…


(RectalTerror) #49

Just was in a game with one of those…

He was at the top of his team’s scoreboard, with almost the double of the second, there’s clearly a reason for this.
He was pretty bad at cloaking, he was doing in front of us, he was always fully visible. And yet he was killing everyone. There is just NOTHING we could do.

-no merc can outrun him backwards. You have no time to turn around & escape.
-sure you can shoot & hurt him, but not kill him. Only a headshot with a shotgun perhaps can, but that’s way harder than him instakilling with katana

Sure, once he had killed someone he was pretty much dead. But still, he was playing bad, always using the same patterns, always coming from the same places, and despite us knowing where he would be, there was just nothing we could do.
Does that make him a good value? No, he didn’t even make his team win. As I said he would kill someone & be killed immediately by the rest of the team. What I just don’t like is to know I’m dead as soon as he appears on my screen, with no chance of doing something.
You can outrun a Rhino, or circle around him & kill him. You can outrun a jav or possibly run towards a make her suicide. There is no other class for which I don’t see a solution.
Keep saying it’s me who can’t play, but he was killing EVERYONE.

Say in the stairs of Bridge, I’d really like to know how to handle that situation. Even if you could run backwards fast enough, it’s not like you could climb up the stairs backwards without a mistake while shooting him.
Facing another merc I’d just jump around, but that doesn’t work with katana & his gigantic range.

There’s something that would improve this, some sort of melee block. Say both players melee at the same time, it’d be a draw.
It’s perfectly normal that a phantom instakills you if he stabs you because you didn’t see him. But it’s not normal that you see a laggy one from meters away & you can’t do anything if you’re not in open space.

And, it’s totally silly to make a merc’s MAIN function (cloaking) so pointless, while his unique power is that stupid katana.


(TheStrangerous) #50

At 4:22

As you can see, he originally supposed to be something like a mix, between Demoknight and Spy from TF2.
But the game got too fast paced, and such tactics became obsolete, like Turtle’s initial shield design.

The way I see Phantom’s RA, is like RedEye’s smoke grenade. You can use it, but it’s better in conjunction with IR googles. However Phantom’s got nothing and EMP field is in “anti-conjuction” as pointed by many.