K121 discussion.

[RecurveZ]

i want to compare 2 of the fragger’s guns.
the k121 and the m4 both automatic thats why i compare them.
the k121 has higher damage (17) over the m4 (14).
but the m4 is an overall better gun for various reasons like the rpm the reload time the accuracy the spread the recoil and you run faster with the m4.
for those reasons i think the k121 needs a big re work, the k121 could be really good but you need to use the iron sight most of the time (good luck without focus), i still kinda like the gun but it really needs a rework if you think on how better the m4 is.
imo

[titaniumCrouton]

They both have there uses.

[RecurveZ]

They both have there uses.

try track someone with k121 from close/medium range you’ll miss a lot of shots meanwhile with m4 you hit all of em, and even at close range. it has a huge spread and recoil and hasnt got much precision.
m4 is a better weapon in all situations

[titaniumCrouton]

[quote=“titaniumCrouton;54405”]They both have there uses.

try track someone with k121 from close/medium range you’ll miss a lot of shots meanwhile with m4 you hit all of em, and even at close range. it has a huge spread and recoil and hasnt got much precision.
m4 is a better weapon in all situations
[/quote]

K-121 is my personal favorite and most used weapon. You’re bitching to the wrong person on this forum. I have no trouble using it at any range.

[RecurveZ]

[quote=“RecurveZ;54416”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54405”]They both have there uses.

try track someone with k121 from close/medium range you’ll miss a lot of shots meanwhile with m4 you hit all of em, and even at close range. it has a huge spread and recoil and hasnt got much precision.
m4 is a better weapon in all situations
[/quote]

K-121 is my personal favorite and most used weapon. You’re bitching to the wrong person on this forum. I have no trouble using it at any range.[/quote]

you can call it ‘‘bitching’’ but it’s straight up facts that the m4 is better in statistics and in most situations.
the game should be balanced we shouldnt have ‘‘situational’’ weapons

[APRenpsy]

[quote=“titaniumCrouton;54425”][quote=“RecurveZ;54416”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54405”]They both have there uses.

try track someone with k121 from close/medium range you’ll miss a lot of shots meanwhile with m4 you hit all of em, and even at close range. it has a huge spread and recoil and hasnt got much precision.
m4 is a better weapon in all situations
[/quote]

K-121 is my personal favorite and most used weapon. You’re bitching to the wrong person on this forum. I have no trouble using it at any range.[/quote]

you can call it ‘‘bitching’’ but it’s straight up facts that the m4 is better in statistics and in most situations.
the game should be balanced we shouldnt have ‘‘situational’’ weapons[/quote]

Actually if all weapons were balanced with that mindset it would be pretty boring game to play. I got to agree with titanium here, not to mention the K-121 recently got a small buff, which in my personal opinion helped it a lot.

[RecurveZ]

[quote=“RecurveZ;54434”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54425”][quote=“RecurveZ;54416”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54405”]They both have there uses.

try track someone with k121 from close/medium range you’ll miss a lot of shots meanwhile with m4 you hit all of em, and even at close range. it has a huge spread and recoil and hasnt got much precision.
m4 is a better weapon in all situations
[/quote]

K-121 is my personal favorite and most used weapon. You’re bitching to the wrong person on this forum. I have no trouble using it at any range.[/quote]

you can call it ‘‘bitching’’ but it’s straight up facts that the m4 is better in statistics and in most situations.
the game should be balanced we shouldnt have ‘‘situational’’ weapons[/quote]

Actually if all weapons were balanced with that mindset it would be pretty boring game to play. I got to agree with titanium here, not to mention the K-121 recently got a small buff, which in my personal opinion helped it a lot.[/quote]

but there is no reason to have an overall better gun and another one that isnt as good as the other one.
you cant even chose what guns you get so it’s pretty unfair to get a gun that is not good in each situation like the m4. at least make it a little more precised or that it shoots faster that could help track players, the weapon spread starts too early for example

[titaniumCrouton]

[quote=“APRenpsy;54439”][quote=“RecurveZ;54434”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54425”][quote=“RecurveZ;54416”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54405”]They both have there uses.

try track someone with k121 from close/medium range you’ll miss a lot of shots meanwhile with m4 you hit all of em, and even at close range. it has a huge spread and recoil and hasnt got much precision.
m4 is a better weapon in all situations
[/quote]

K-121 is my personal favorite and most used weapon. You’re bitching to the wrong person on this forum. I have no trouble using it at any range.[/quote]

you can call it ‘‘bitching’’ but it’s straight up facts that the m4 is better in statistics and in most situations.
the game should be balanced we shouldnt have ‘‘situational’’ weapons[/quote]

Actually if all weapons were balanced with that mindset it would be pretty boring game to play. I got to agree with titanium here, not to mention the K-121 recently got a small buff, which in my personal opinion helped it a lot.[/quote]

but there is no reason to have an overall better gun and another one that isnt as good as the other one.
you cant even chose what guns you get so it’s pretty unfair to get a gun that is not good in each situation like the m4. at least make it a little more precised or that it shoots faster that could help track players, the weapon spread starts too early for example [/quote]

Except you’re forgetting a key fact: K-121 in a straight up fight with the m4, wins. M4 is only loved because it’s so balanced and extremely easy to shoot. While the k-121 is a much harder gun to shoot it does out damage and kill faster than the m4 and, if i recall, is the “Strongest” (I.e kills fastest) gun in the game (one shot headshots from vas aside of course.)

Most people don’t know how to handle the recoil in various ranges and thus generally fall back to the M4 a gun which is, for all intents and purposes, simply a laser pointer. Hell even the burst fire rifle (can’t recall the name for whatever reason) beats out the m4 in a straight up fight but once more, people prefer the ease of use of the m4 which is why it’s so popular.

So, like I said. Each gun has it’s use and people have there preferences. For example, I can’t shoot the M4 because i can’t shoot lasers. I however can shoot the k-121 because I am extremely used to dealing with recoil and it simply fits me better. Because of that I can use it at all ranges ,effectively and can land decent headshots with it…Because of that I outshoot most people in a straight up 1v1.

This is not taking into account factors such as parkoring al lover the area to dodge, etc ,etc, etc. but that is because that starts factoring in personal skill which is a non-factor in weapon balance as far as I am concerned.

If you’re unable to use the k-121, then don’t. Stick to the M4. That is your choice and it’s a beloved weapon that has no real weaknesses. That said, you need to realize other weapons have strengths that can surpass the M4 due to the weaknesses they have (recoil in the case of the k-121) and if you can master those weaknesses and learn to work with or around them, can also surpass the m4.

Stats aren’t everything. Ask any theorycrafter in the world O_o it’s actually rare hard stats and theorycrafting holds up to reality and practice xP.

[RecurveZ]

[quote=“RecurveZ;54446”][quote=“APRenpsy;54439”][quote=“RecurveZ;54434”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54425”][quote=“RecurveZ;54416”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54405”]They both have there uses.

try track someone with k121 from close/medium range you’ll miss a lot of shots meanwhile with m4 you hit all of em, and even at close range. it has a huge spread and recoil and hasnt got much precision.
m4 is a better weapon in all situations
[/quote]

K-121 is my personal favorite and most used weapon. You’re bitching to the wrong person on this forum. I have no trouble using it at any range.[/quote]

you can call it ‘‘bitching’’ but it’s straight up facts that the m4 is better in statistics and in most situations.
the game should be balanced we shouldnt have ‘‘situational’’ weapons[/quote]

Actually if all weapons were balanced with that mindset it would be pretty boring game to play. I got to agree with titanium here, not to mention the K-121 recently got a small buff, which in my personal opinion helped it a lot.[/quote]

but there is no reason to have an overall better gun and another one that isnt as good as the other one.
you cant even chose what guns you get so it’s pretty unfair to get a gun that is not good in each situation like the m4. at least make it a little more precised or that it shoots faster that could help track players, the weapon spread starts too early for example [/quote]

Except you’re forgetting a key fact: K-121 in a straight up fight with the m4, wins. M4 is only loved because it’s so balanced and extremely easy to shoot. While the k-121 is a much harder gun to shoot it does out damage and kill faster than the m4 and, if i recall, is the “Strongest” (I.e kills fastest) gun in the game (one shot headshots from vas aside of course.)

Most people don’t know how to handle the recoil in various ranges and thus generally fall back to the M4 a gun which is, for all intents and purposes, simply a laser pointer. Hell even the burst fire rifle (can’t recall the name for whatever reason) beats out the m4 in a straight up fight but once more, people prefer the ease of use of the m4 which is why it’s so popular.

So, like I said. Each gun has it’s use and people have there preferences. For example, I can’t shoot the M4 because i can’t shoot lasers. I however can shoot the k-121 because I am extremely used to dealing with recoil and it simply fits me better. Because of that I can use it at all ranges ,effectively and can land decent headshots with it…Because of that I outshoot most people in a straight up 1v1.

This is not taking into account factors such as parkoring al lover the area to dodge, etc ,etc, etc. but that is because that starts factoring in personal skill which is a non-factor in weapon balance as far as I am concerned.

If you’re unable to use the k-121, then don’t. Stick to the M4. That is your choice and it’s a beloved weapon that has no real weaknesses. That said, you need to realize other weapons have strengths that can surpass the M4 due to the weaknesses they have (recoil in the case of the k-121) and if you can master those weaknesses and learn to work with or around them, can also surpass the m4.

Stats aren’t everything. Ask any theorycrafter in the world O_o it’s actually rare hard stats and theorycrafting holds up to reality and practice xP.
[/quote]

the fact is if you’re in a 1v1 against a good player that is able to dodge some of your bullets even if he has m4 he is most likely going to kill you because if you miss something the spread is really fast on that weapon and the bullets will start go anywhere

[titaniumCrouton]

[quote=“titaniumCrouton;54477”][quote=“RecurveZ;54446”][quote=“APRenpsy;54439”][quote=“RecurveZ;54434”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54425”][quote=“RecurveZ;54416”][quote=“titaniumCrouton;54405”]They both have there uses.

try track someone with k121 from close/medium range you’ll miss a lot of shots meanwhile with m4 you hit all of em, and even at close range. it has a huge spread and recoil and hasnt got much precision.
m4 is a better weapon in all situations
[/quote]

K-121 is my personal favorite and most used weapon. You’re bitching to the wrong person on this forum. I have no trouble using it at any range.[/quote]

you can call it ‘‘bitching’’ but it’s straight up facts that the m4 is better in statistics and in most situations.
the game should be balanced we shouldnt have ‘‘situational’’ weapons[/quote]

Actually if all weapons were balanced with that mindset it would be pretty boring game to play. I got to agree with titanium here, not to mention the K-121 recently got a small buff, which in my personal opinion helped it a lot.[/quote]

but there is no reason to have an overall better gun and another one that isnt as good as the other one.
you cant even chose what guns you get so it’s pretty unfair to get a gun that is not good in each situation like the m4. at least make it a little more precised or that it shoots faster that could help track players, the weapon spread starts too early for example [/quote]

Except you’re forgetting a key fact: K-121 in a straight up fight with the m4, wins. M4 is only loved because it’s so balanced and extremely easy to shoot. While the k-121 is a much harder gun to shoot it does out damage and kill faster than the m4 and, if i recall, is the “Strongest” (I.e kills fastest) gun in the game (one shot headshots from vas aside of course.)

Most people don’t know how to handle the recoil in various ranges and thus generally fall back to the M4 a gun which is, for all intents and purposes, simply a laser pointer. Hell even the burst fire rifle (can’t recall the name for whatever reason) beats out the m4 in a straight up fight but once more, people prefer the ease of use of the m4 which is why it’s so popular.

So, like I said. Each gun has it’s use and people have there preferences. For example, I can’t shoot the M4 because i can’t shoot lasers. I however can shoot the k-121 because I am extremely used to dealing with recoil and it simply fits me better. Because of that I can use it at all ranges ,effectively and can land decent headshots with it…Because of that I outshoot most people in a straight up 1v1.

This is not taking into account factors such as parkoring al lover the area to dodge, etc ,etc, etc. but that is because that starts factoring in personal skill which is a non-factor in weapon balance as far as I am concerned.

If you’re unable to use the k-121, then don’t. Stick to the M4. That is your choice and it’s a beloved weapon that has no real weaknesses. That said, you need to realize other weapons have strengths that can surpass the M4 due to the weaknesses they have (recoil in the case of the k-121) and if you can master those weaknesses and learn to work with or around them, can also surpass the m4.

Stats aren’t everything. Ask any theorycrafter in the world O_o it’s actually rare hard stats and theorycrafting holds up to reality and practice xP.
[/quote]

the fact is if you’re in a 1v1 against a good player that is able to dodge some of your bullets even if he has m4 he is most likely going to kill you because if you miss something the spread is really fast on that weapon and the bullets will start go anywhere[/quote]

Not really and I’ve explained, in detail why that isn’t so. But, you’re clearly set in your ways and not actually here to discuss anything but to push your own propaganda and agenda, so I bid you good luck and good day.

[waste]

k121 shreds light classes and good for sustained fights. m4 is a good solid gun all around. choose what you like.

[Indefinite]

The K121 is a monster. I have no problems whatsoever tracking players at close to medium range with it. The only downside is the slightly longer reload time, which is more than made up by the potential killing power of the 50 round box. K1 is overall better for the role of people playing Fragger as a leader/pointman.

Only reason I am not agreeing with/liking titaniumCrouton’s original post is because he used the wrong their. But it’s the absolute truth. The M4 is a good crutch weapon when a person doesn’t have the confidence to press on after one or two kills without reloading.

[titaniumCrouton]

[quote=“EtherFox;54743”]The K121 is a monster. I have no problems whatsoever tracking players at close to medium range with it. The only downside is the slightly longer reload time, which is more than made up by the potential killing power of the 50 round box. K1 is overall better for the role of people playing Fragger as a leader/pointman.

Only reason I am not agreeing with/liking titaniumCrouton’s original post is because he used the wrong their. But it’s the absolute truth. The M4 is a good crutch weapon when a person doesn’t have the confidence to press on after one or two kills without reloading.[/quote]

Nooooooo my fail grammar strikes again. </3 I like you anyway bby.

[RecurveZ]

well i got to admit i was kinda in the wrong after using it for a while.
i got to admit that i dont find any problems, but sometimes when i shoot and my crosshair is in the enemy not all of my bullets hit i dont understand that thing

[titaniumCrouton]

[quote=“RecurveZ;54842”]well i got to admit i was kinda in the wrong after using it for a while.
i got to admit that i dont find any problems, but sometimes when i shoot and my crosshair is in the enemy not all of my bullets hit i dont understand that thing[/quote]

You have to fire it in 10 round “burst” if you’re hipfiring. Or you can iron sight (which you need to do for medium-long ranges, unlike other weapons) this will tighten it up real nice and tight.

[RecurveZ]

[quote=“titaniumCrouton;54852”][quote=“RecurveZ;54842”]well i got to admit i was kinda in the wrong after using it for a while.
i got to admit that i dont find any problems, but sometimes when i shoot and my crosshair is in the enemy not all of my bullets hit i dont understand that thing[/quote]

You have to fire it in 10 round “burst” if you’re hipfiring. Or you can iron sight (which you need to do for medium-long ranges, unlike other weapons) this will tighten it up real nice and tight.[/quote]
o okay thanks for the tip

[son]

wish it had a shitton of vertical recoil over the shitton of random spread, makes fights that should be one-sided (fragger v sawbones at medium-long range) in favor of fragger favoring the sawbones. i can see myself using the k121 in some maps but generally m4 is much better because of the spread and augments.

[RecurveZ]

wish it had a shitton of vertical recoil over the shitton of random spread, makes fights that should be one-sided (fragger v sawbones at medium-long range) in favor of fragger favoring the sawbones. i can see myself using the k121 in some maps but generally m4 is much better because of the spread and augments.

yea i think it has too much spread and the spread starts too soon imo

[GeekyNerd_FTW]

I think the K-121 is fine how it is…

[Ghosthree3]

I’ve rarely used the K-121 but the few times I have I’ve been taken aback by just how hard it hits. The headshot damage is just huge.

That said I find myself missing a few too many bullets with it and am unwilling to put the time into learning to control it while it has inferior perks. The M4 just works too well right now while having the good perks.