K/D on OBJ maps what is the point and purpose.

(BananaSlug) #21

After 1000h I care about objective when I want to extend the game, if you care about it in pub, sure have fun, but please to scream at other people because they don’t, I only care about farming God likes and kills lvl3 at this point which most people do

(Szakalot) #22

killing is the main objective. large portion of all objectives requires a teamwipe to complete.

good k/d is irrelevant. so a vassili going 8/1 in 30min of stopwatch was hiding in the back all game, not being able to hit shit.

engineer going 30/40 in the same game - you know they were doing work, pushing obj but also getting the important kills.

any assualt with say 40/10 in the same game - you know they were the backbone, clearing out enemy team over and over.

5/20 medic - you know they tryhard too much, reviving whenever available, with no sense of gameplay

15/20 medic - you know they were getting in there, and depending on their score were also a good/bad medic

the higher both K and D per min: the more work someone was doing. High D doesnt mean a player is bad, could be a good tryhard getting in there and pushing, pushing, pushing

(BloodySin) #23

@BananaSlug said:
After 1000h I care about objective when I want to extend the game, if you care about it in pub, sure have fun, but please to scream at other people because they don’t, I only care about farming God likes and kills lvl3 at this point which most people do
Then you’re the one not playing the game the way it’s supposed to be. It’s not the people “screaming” who are the problem.

(Szakalot) #24

listen to your game masters! obey the rules! games are serious, if you want to have fun, go to work

(BloodySin) #25

@Szakalot said:
listen to your game masters! obey the rules! games are serious, if you want to have fun, go to work

If you want to have your own fun, that deviates from the target of a team-based game, go create your own private match.

This is like something I have encountered more times than I should: people making up their own “rules,” like “only melee,” “no abilities,” “only secondaries” or whatever the fuck, on a public server, and wanting to kick anyone who doesn’t wants to play along.

(pumpkinmeerkat) #26

Frags are important, so are revives, heals, and ammo. They should all be shown at the end of a match in some way.

(TitaniumRapture) #27

@Szakalot said:

5/20 medic - you know they tryhard too much, reviving whenever available, with no sense of gameplay

15/20 medic - you know they were getting in there, and depending on their score were also a good/bad medic

What about medic with bad aim but doing everything for team and nobody covers him?

(bgyoshi) #28

I just wish the scoreboard also showed assists.

Especially when playing a class like Turtle or Bushy with no explosives or BRs, I seem to regularly top the scoreboard from doing the objective and helping the team, but also have an even or negative KD… but racking up 30+ assists.

Yeah K/D is pointless, but it helps when your non-medics and non-engineers are killing more and dying less.

(Szakalot) #29

@TitaniumRapture said:

@Szakalot said:

5/20 medic - you know they tryhard too much, reviving whenever available, with no sense of gameplay

15/20 medic - you know they were getting in there, and depending on their score were also a good/bad medic

What about medic with bad aim but doing everything for team and nobody covers him?

bad aim is bad no matter your class. its nice of bad aimers to contribute with good medicness and it can often make or break the team, but in a balanced game all have to contribute to the killing

(Sairdontis) #30

@sampark you do realize you just proved my point for me?

They are not securing kills they are defending the OBJ that obviously you are one of those “recon” deathmatch kill farmers so yes your score may be higher if you are an assault merc . You and your couple of “high score” objective failing “team” probably cost the rest of the team playing the map correctly the game with your selfish kill farming.

If you want to deathmatch please do it in private matches.

(Sairdontis) #31

I do see that the ones defending k/d are the ones using it solely in their arguments and points which shows the disconnect with a OBJ map. " I’m so gud I havg the best k/d in the game I rock! The rest of the team says: “Dude, what is wrong with you? We lost the match and we never saw you anywhere never the obj !” You: "Noobs with no aim shut up! Just look at my kills I am so awesome! Git gud scrubs! "

It is frustrating to be pushing or defending the objective only to have 5 of your 7-8 team go “reconning” and all dying and the attackers or defending rolling over the now vastly outnumbered team actually playing the map correctly. This type of loss may be what is contributing the lack of new player coming or staying with this game.

(sampark) #32

@Sairdontis said:
@sampark you do realize you just proved my point for me?

They are not securing kills they are defending the OBJ that obviously you are one of those “recon” deathmatch kill farmers so yes your score may be higher if you are an assault merc . You and your couple of “high score” objective failing “team” probably cost the rest of the team playing the map correctly the game with your selfish kill farming.

If you want to deathmatch please do it in private matches.

Jesus Salt in this is real.
You completely miss-understood my point. point of my statement was, that merely happens nowadays. Do you really think one player would “secure” their kills if they are deep into enemies territory? I mean hear yourself before pointing fingers at people!

(Sairdontis) #33

@sampark Sorry no salt here, try your cabinet or pantry next time.

To the point, yes, deep in enemy territory you would secure your kill to prevent the enemy from being alerted to your presence ( use of silent weapons usually reigns here) and heading off your escape. Why leave someone wounded who can scream and yell out your position and direction of approach? You might as well just sit and wait for them to capture/ kill you.

To your last point about “hear yourself before point fingers at people!”, take your own advice.

(GatoCommodore) #34

@Sairdontis said:
I do see that the ones defending k/d are the ones using it solely in their arguments and points which shows the disconnect with a OBJ map. " I’m so gud I havg the best k/d in the game I rock! The rest of the team says: “Dude, what is wrong with you? We lost the match and we never saw you anywhere never the obj !” You: "Noobs with no aim shut up! Just look at my kills I am so awesome! Git gud scrubs! "

It is frustrating to be pushing or defending the objective only to have 5 of your 7-8 team go “reconning” and all dying and the attackers or defending rolling over the now vastly outnumbered team actually playing the map correctly. This type of loss may be what is contributing the lack of new player coming or staying with this game.

reminder that you dont have to be in the objective to defend the objective itself. most of the time obective area has walls and things that can be used to drop an airstrike and kills multiple enemies.

there are players like that but it doesnt always mean they are bad

for example, in chapel last objective i like to play proxy then go to the attacker objective spawn to harass enemies who tries to get the objective, i get many kills and it gives time for teammate to regroup and redeploy deployables. Even a mere 17 sec of their time wasted on 1 proxy means 17 sec wasted not pushing for the objective. If you see people with the best KD but is not top scoring, hes not doing his job well enough.

i once (yeah once and never saw anybody does that again) saw a vasilli on the 2nd place of the score board with mere 8k score and kills more than me. I was at the top of the scoreboard playing kira katana for the lulz. The thing is, nearly all of my kills are attributed to his dominating presence on the battlefield. He keeps taking shots (but not a fatal ones since body shots rarely kills) and distracts enemy to his presence and forced to deal with him while i flanked them.
He gets better score than my team’s medic and engie just because he tried to shoot people instead of tryhard and goes engie vasilli.

kills kinda have the same weight with repairs and heals score and sometimes not even hitting anything and shooting grenade with nader can also win the game…

this applies to every merc in the game.

(Sairdontis) #35

@GatoCommodore said:

@Sairdontis said:
I do see that the ones defending k/d are the ones using it solely in their arguments and points which shows the disconnect with a OBJ map. " I’m so gud I havg the best k/d in the game I rock! The rest of the team says: “Dude, what is wrong with you? We lost the match and we never saw you anywhere never the obj !” You: "Noobs with no aim shut up! Just look at my kills I am so awesome! Git gud scrubs! "

It is frustrating to be pushing or defending the objective only to have 5 of your 7-8 team go “reconning” and all dying and the attackers or defending rolling over the now vastly outnumbered team actually playing the map correctly. This type of loss may be what is contributing the lack of new player coming or staying with this game.

reminder that you dont have to be in the objective to defend the objective itself. most of the time obective area has walls and things that can be used to drop an airstrike and kills multiple enemies.

there are players like that but it doesnt always mean they are bad

for example, in chapel last objective i like to play proxy then go to the attacker objective spawn to harass enemies who tries to get the objective, i get many kills and it gives time for teammate to regroup and redeploy deployables. Even a mere 17 sec of their time wasted on 1 proxy means 17 sec wasted not pushing for the objective. If you see people with the best KD but is not top scoring, hes not doing his job well enough.

i once (yeah once and never saw anybody does that again) saw a vasilli on the 2nd place of the score board with mere 8k score and kills more than me. I was at the top of the scoreboard playing kira katana for the lulz. The thing is, nearly all of my kills are attributed to his dominating presence on the battlefield. He keeps taking shots (but not a fatal ones since body shots rarely kills) and distracts enemy to his presence and forced to deal with him while i flanked them.
He gets better score than my team’s medic and engie just because he tried to shoot people instead of tryhard and goes engie vasilli.

kills kinda have the same weight with repairs and heals score and sometimes not even hitting anything and shooting grenade with nader can also win the game…

this applies to every merc in the game.

Kills do have a place in this game I agree with you on this one, however many players see them as the only obj of the game even though actually named OBJ of the game get ignored. And like I have said before one or two on recon ( not ranked ) is not bad but 3/4 of your team especially on defense is.

It only takes one merc gettting through the net and now you’re fighting a retreat action or risk getting shot in the back and that takes time. While you are taking the time fighting a retreat action precious seconds or longer are lost and many times unless very skilled the OBJ is lost before you can get back to it. Many are not good at fighting a retreat action and will simply try to turn and run with the obvious results. I get it, for many defense is boring and they want to run out and meet the enemy. Meeting the enemy, however unless expertly will result in many preventable losses and possible near team wipe allowing the attackers to waltz in and take the objective. There are many defensible positions for the defenders on all maps though many will ignore them and instead again meet the enemy where the enemy has the tactical advantage and again with the same avoidable results.

The point is with the current endgame display the first thing that is listed is k/d so naturally many see this as the most important stat to strive for and the actual score is seen as secondary to many. And the really funny part is that they also miss the most important part of the scoreboard with is WIN or LOST. See the disconnect?

(GatoCommodore) #36

@Sairdontis
the ranked end game display was pretty good actually…
i wonder why they arent putting that on pubs…

i also like to type

I tried so hard
And got so far
In the end
It doesnt even matter

everytime the top 2 of the team carried and still lose because newbies arent exactly decent players…

(CodeAlpha) #37

For someone with only 300 and somthing hours of gameplay you certainly have some bold ideas for the games direction. Personally i play for kills and i play for obj. To me they are one in the same. Luckily the devs have created a game that caters to many types of play. The method for me is kill enemy repair/ destroy and repeat. If i get killed then they win. I work my way to obj killing, then when in close range of obj kira becomes engi when needed.

(Noir) #38

OP, as already stated many times in many threads, kills are objective nº1. When defending an objective, what is your primary goal ? Kill the enemy.

When attacking though, new players rush plant\repair. This is considered as a very bad move as you will surely die when facing decent opponents. There is very few situations where you do not kill first. Sneaky ones maybe (so very few indeed).

Even medics!! I often see\read “Yeah well I am a bad aimer so I will play medic” or medics rushing revives. This happens very often:

You engage a fight and get downed when the enemy is like 20HP left. Your medic rush revive you and you both die when he should have killed the low HP enemy instead, and revive you afterwards.

Kills are the objective. Make the right ones.

(bushyg) #39

Versus decent players, rushing repairs or plants will just get you destroyed. Very rarely you might get a plant, only to have it defused immediately because you are diving like a lemming and your team is essentially a player down.

Also, it’s a pub game and means nothing. If you and other like-minded players actually cared so much, you’d learn the game properly and more people would play ranked. This is unlikely to change though, so you’re better off playing the game the way you enjoy it and let others play the way they want.

(watsyurdeal) #40

Ok, if a guy on your team clears out 5 of 8 of their team, and your team isn’t doing anything with that opening. That is NOT that guys fault, he did good work but nobody is acting on it.

Check yo self before you rek yo self