Just moving all this to the right place, hell with linux


(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #1

ok. im a total linux n00b, i know nothing of linuz, thats why im here as i know that some people here can answer my questions

  1. I have a hard drive, how can i see the linux partion in windows and the windows partion in linux?

  2. http://web.belkin.com/support/kb/kb.asp?a=1512 <<< thats how belkin support told me to fix my problem with my network card, i have the 802.11g version using 54g technology that linux dosnt support, basicly, what dose all the mean and what do i do with it?

  3. When installing ET on linux i get this error

Warning: kbuildsycoca is unable to register with DCOP.

whats it mean?

i think thats it, i will REALLY appriciate any1 who can answer these

thanks :banana:


(bulletcatcher) #2
  1. What disto of Linux are you using. I assume that you did not roll your own. Most modern distors can mount your Windows partition but I don’t know of any utilities that can have windows mount your Linux partition (there may be but I don’t know of them)
  2. The 2.6 Kernel has much better wireless support baked in. I am going to assume you are using an older 2.4 Kernel distro. Easiest thing is to use modern Kernel
  3. Are you installing as ROOT ?

(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #3
  1. Red Hat 8.0, i have no idea how to work linux nevermind make my own linux!!!

  2. i have no real idea, i have a Belkin 802.11g version, using 54g technology. i hope u know what card im using from that

  3. no but ill try, but i wasnt aloud to type the password? i think it was a problem with permissions, ill try and tell u what happens


(Deprave) #4

Wow i just typed a long detailed thing to help you but it timed out and I lost it… Go on to some linux forums and ask this you will get quick and better answers…in a nutshell you need to mount your drives and redhat sucks…If you got some time on yours hands i sugest to install gentoo…


(evilsock) #5

CrAzY-NuTTeR, if you really must have a dual-booting machine (and some might not agree with this), you could always try cygwin - it’s a *nix style ‘compatibility layer’ that sits alongside windows. Windows will still be the primary operating system but with the newest cygwin distros you get a high percentage of *nux usability and more importantly it supports the standard *nix shells along with a very basic X GUI.

If you’re really interested in Unix of any kind, my suggestion is that you ask your Dad very nicely to get you a 2nd hand older pc (a PII 350 will do it) and use it as a dedicated *nix box. That way you can fanny around to your hearts desire, make as many mistakes as you like without affecting your main pc. FWIW I still have my very old P200 machine running RH6.2 with an old 2.2 kernal using twm as the default window manager and it’s fine :slight_smile:

This way you get to see the power of unix above and beyond its shell capabilities - you also get to see how well it performs on the network. The real problem is picking a suitable *nix distro as not all are equal. Gentoo is good from what I’ve read as it’s easy to download and install along with an up-to-date style internet updater (think windows update) - beware though, .lib hell is no different to .dll hell :slight_smile:


(fledsbo) #6

This is fairly old, get a new distro with an updated kernel. The free RedHat distro has been “renamed” Fedora (http://fedora.redhat.com/).


(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #7

yeah, ill look into

i know redhat is old im gona change it i just really have linux yo play with it, and keep all my testing stuff on windows, mapping and stuff

debinam was what marko my freind recoomended to me, whats your thoughts? i few other freinds say they have it (im probably go debinam, my freind is a total libux freak :wink:


(evilsock) #8

um you mean Debian right? Last I looked, Debain is better for an out-and-out server environment? Thought they kept ther version numbers held back to the last known stable releases of everything for just that reason.


(fledsbo) #9

Debian is good, (as is Gentoo, but not for your first install). Debian stable is very conservative, but their testing and unstable branches are up-to-date and usable. I think the most important factor for a new user is what distro he can get the most assistance on. Fedora/RedHat is the most used distro (I think…) and thus most easy to get help from, but if your mates use debian (and you think they’ll help you…) that’s probably a good choice.

If you want your modern hardware to work, you need a modern distro/kernel. Unlike windows drivers, hardware support is mostly built into the linux kernel, so getting modern hardware to work on old distros is difficult.

AND: It’s horribly painful to read your post :angry: , do try to make some effort at spelling, it’s only polite to the people you want to help you (i’m sure there’s spelling errors in here, but at least I’m trying…)


(petameta) #10

Maybe you should try Knoppix. It’s Debian-based, easy to install and has a very good hardware detection. With some luck, your network card may work out of the box.

http://www.knoppix.net/


(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #11

thanks and fledsbo, im learning :wink:


(turk2000) #12

or Gnoppix http://www.gnoppix.org

It’s Debian based but with Gnome as Desktop :beer:


(Oxygen - o2) #13

hey guys, was searching google and found this so since i play ET i registerd, im looking for a good linux distribution, Gnoppix sounds god as a like the Gnome desktop. so ill try it, BTW nutter, u aint the worst linux n00b on the planet :wink:

EDIT: What kernal dose version 0.6.0 of Gmoppix use, is it the new one?


(turk2000) #14

I only read about Gnoppix here like news:

http://www.gnomedesktop.org

so I think it has the following changes:

http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/releases/07/index.html

I’m using another distro with Gnome 2.6 but not Gnoppix.


(JIM_BOB7813) #15

The first sign of madness… :blah:


(Oxygen - o2) #16

first sign of madness is growning hair on the parm on your hands…

… the second is looking for it


(JIM_BOB7813) #17

The first sign of madness is talking to yourself.
:weird:


(Oxygen - o2) #18

i wasnt talking to myself, u read it


(Jimbo99) #19

Redhat has changed and frankly doesn’t really exist any more as a desktop linux distro. It has been superceded with Fedora Core 1 (FC1) and the new FC2. Redhat is/was the most popular distro holding nearly 70% of the user base. Redhat is no more or less capable than Gentoo, debian, mandrake, slackware, etc. It is however not as flexible during the install, but neither is Mandrake, although it certainly is prettier and better controlled during the setup. It is hard to make a mistake with FC1 or FC2. There are more repositories holding a more standardized method of package distribution for all that add-on software available for the other distros. One could argueably say that there is more out there for Fedora than for all the others combined.

In the end,though, once the OS is installed they all are essentially the same OS. They run the same kernel, they run the same applications, they have the same configurations (essentially – with some differences), they run the same X, they run the same window managers, and they run the same programs, and the same games in the same fashion using the same drivers.

Some are harder to install but are more flexible in the install. That’s why some love them and some hate them with a pashion.

If you have your 3d accelerated video drivers installed and working and glxgears works and glxinfo shows you the appropriate data without giving errors then you do have it setup properly. The installer for ET is incredibly simple and requires little to no interaction. It chooses the appropriate install directory and copies the files to the appropriate place usually without errors. The error message you got is innocuous and you can ignore it.

If you don’t know about linux at all then most likely you don’t have the 3d accelerated drivers installed, as most distro’s do not install 3d accelerated drivers by default.

Most video card manufacturers do not provide linux drivers, although the top two do: nVidia and ATI. The nVidia drivers are easy to install and are extremely rock solid with very good performance. The ATI drivers are much more difficult and it is hard to find help installing them if you have problems.

Most video card drivers require that you install the kernel source for the kernel version you are running. You can go to a terminal prompt and type uname -r to determine your kernel version and then look on rpmfind for the kernel source. You will need to install that source and then, if you don’t have the kernel module for that card driver installers from nVidia can build them for you on the fly. You may also find the kernel source at other locations on the net and you probably can find the kernel source for your default install on the CDs you used to install linux.

Package/kernel updating for the most part can be done with apt-get and it runs on most distros. Mandrake is a distro that has serious problems with apt-get and it also has serious problems with nforce2 chipset based boards and it costs more to maintain a subscription to Mandrake over a 2-3 year period then it does Windows XP Home.

Updating with tools such as apt-get (which works wonderfully under FC1 and FC2) is simple and straight forward. You can also get a tool called synaptic which will work as a graphical front end for apt-get and install those kernel modules, kernel sources, kernel updates, and package updates with a few clicks of a mouse. The point behind this is to say that Redhat has no more issue with updates than any other linux distro.

Start the game by typing et. Or, you can look to the desktop menus and find the icon. The linux version is very stable, almost considered by me to be rock solid. It has excellent performance easily on par with the windows version. But you don’t go setting up linux to run this one game. It would be silly especially if you already have windows knowing you can just download the windows client and run it instead.

But, all in all, I’d say stay with windows and run ET on windows and that it doesn’t make sense to install linux just to play ET. Performance testing done on anandtech show that the windows version performs slightly better than the linux version. This was, as I recall, attributed to the drivers. All video card manufacturers could do well to increase the performance of their drivers for linux.


(Oxygen - o2) #20

i didnt install linux just for ET, it was for my mapping tools and just to see what linux was like, and to play about with it