Dear all,
I seek assistance in identifying whether this player by the name of =U2= is a godly shooter or just another everday cheater. Here are the demos. I’ve zipped them as there are a total of 7 demos.
http://tm.starhub.net.sg/Evidence.zip
While viewing them, type in this following command
/timescale 0.3
This will slow down the movement and then you will know what I mean.
Thanks
So why post the demos then? Heh, why bother? This could be a demo of you using an aimbot and the nick =U2=, to accuse someone who usually uses that nick… OR it is a random cheater, who either always uses that nick or uses various nicks - IN EITHER CASE NO ONE CARES.
No. I am a referee in the Starhub Servers in Singapore. Lately I have discovered this person who a few other people felt he was cheating and kindly asked me to investigate. So investigate I did but his clan (he is a clanner from a well known clan) seems to be defending him and has denied that he is cheating.
The person himself has declared that the character in the demo is himself in public so I see no reason why the demo is invalid.
Because of complications and the locals having a lack of knowledge of aimbot stuff, I need to seek higher aid from Splash Damage forums. I sincerely hope you guys would help me instead of posting flaming threads. Thank you
Hey, that wasn’t a flame, that was a perfectly reasonable reply to your first post which didn’t include any of the info you gave in your second post.
Because of complications and the locals having a lack of knowledge of aimbot stuff, I need to seek higher aid from Splash Damage forums.
Sorry then… “you will know what I mean” made me think you are already sure it’s an aimbot, and just want people to know that “OMG HE IS A CHEATAR”, these kind of threads are quite common and annoying. I’ll have a look at it later 
ok, if he is in a clan and a well known clan then he will not likly change his sn. its as simple as that, so if you can get a message out saying that he is a cheat and warn other players that his clan is a bunch of cheats, thats a good thing. and panzer did the right thing in recording a demo, and he honestly just wants other peoples opinion.(who in fact could judge it better by more expeirince with cheaters) pazner has done nothing wrong here, so lay off bud.
dont post messages that just out right attack other members. thats just stupid.
if there so snnoying then dont look at them, and dont complain about them, just ignore them.
I had a quick look at a couple of the demos, but no, I don’t know what you mean. Can you be more specific about which sequences you find suspicious?
From what I have seen of the demo’s it doesn’t look like cheating to me
If u use /r_shownormals 1 then on the 2nd demo (on radar) u can see that he doesn’t even see an mg setup in the bush on the main road straight bit - he then get’s mown down by said mg. Then later on same mg is setup with a medic resupplying him and he can’t see it now because of smoke he would have been able to see the ppl behind the smoke if he had a wallhack.
I agree his headshots are remarkable but coupled with his general movement and positioning I would say he’s not cheating - although there is a small chance he is a good player and is using his cheats very sparingly/wisely (but most good players, especially clanned ppl, don’t see the point of cheating)
Anyone else bothered to watch any of them yet?
i did, he just looked like a great player, it was kinda odd some of the stuff he was able to pull off though. in fact im in awe of him if hes that good!
Yes some of your views are the complications that I face here locally.
By the way, I was refering more specifically to the use of an aimbot, not wallhack.
In Evidence 1, just after the player has crossed the central square in goldrush, if you slow down the scene, you can see in the scene that when he duels with another player at the side of the bank entrance, you can see that the 2nd time they meet after the axis guy jump out behind the wall, this player’s crosshair suddenly accelerates towards the head, faster than his normal swinging speed.
In Evidence 2, he can still achieve headshots while jumping. And he can headshot at least 4 times two newly spawned jumping enemies at a far distance away in two separate occasions.
The rest of the scenes still show him finishing off a kill with a headshot. The same moves for every frag.
Lastly, in Evidence 7, if you notice, this player actually for some unknown reason keeps attacking a further enemy who is not shooting at him in the head. He completely ignores another nearer enemy starts shooting at him. Why is the movement so jerky in this particular scence. He obviously saw the nearer enemy first but why did he had to frag the further enemy?
I hope I had clarified things. Thanks.
[added on]
do /timescale 0.05 in the Evidence 1 at the part where I mention him crossing the central square.
ok, i only watched the first one. sorry, i don’t have time to watch other people playing when i could be playing! …
He isn’t using a wallhack that I can see from the first video. I never really see him get suprised, but he never is in a position where he could. perhaps if you watch it with the clipping off you may see him track unseen enemys. anyone know that command?
Aim bot…well. I have spec’ed some good players to see why they are good. Their vertical mouse movements are VERY limited. Some do this with the ingame options. This way, they leave their crosshair about head level and fire when a head is there. It doesn’t seem like this is the case for this guy. Sometimes it is all over the place…
21:24 – This guy is doing rear guard as the truck escapes. There is a MG42 in the axis spawn hall way. It looks like to me he is trying (and succeds on the second try) to let auto aim hit the mg’er.
22:27 – gold room he seems to make an adjustment to head lvl not an auto aim…he does kill all three people with head shots though…the one behind the gold i didn’t even see until his brains splattered against the back wall
24:07 – on entrance to gold room-- that is one good shot…very suspect.
I can’t conclude anything though…i will say that it kinda looks like cheat but I can’t say for certain without spending the time to see all of them.
–f
Anyway, just to add. Before you watch Evidence 7 which is the shortest demo, type in /timescale 0.001 (the smaller the more obvious his movements) before u hit View under the replay section.
It shows him “locking” on to two player’s head. When the further player tries to escape from the corridor, he tracks down the person instead of the enemy infront of him. But then he makes a sudden swing back to the nearer’s person head and then back to the further’s person head.
This sort of movement has happened twice in this demo, which is rougly 20 seonds long. You gotta see the demo at such a reduced speed in order to believe what i say.
i kinda have to read everyones posts in hope that yours
MIGHT in some small way actually contribute to a thread.
but it seems like you actually looking for an arguement.
so if you want to keep this little gig up lets fo it in pm.
because weve spammed this message board enough as it is.
I only watched the first demo. On one hand, he seems to make a few “impossible” shots, but those could be attributed to skill and luck on his part. Also, the opponents generally don’t seem to be doing much to dodge his shots, so someone with good aim would have no problem hitting them. He also doesn’t seem to be playing like a “noob”. He uses strafejumping down hills, times his grenades correctly and such, which makes me think that he’s probably just a decent player. In most cases when I’ve seen aimbotters in the past, they tend to play very poorly, yet have exceptional aim, which tips you off that something is wrong. That’s not really the case here. I wont make a final decision as to whether or not hes cheating, since I havent seen the other demos.
I don’t think he’s cheating. In my opinion it is just skill and luck. Then again even if he was cheating it would be difficult to tell because the server has very few people in it and most of his kills are from 1-1 firefights. If there were a lot of people and mad chaos going on everywhere you’d be able to tell more easily.
P.S.
How come the replay doesn’t show changes in the stamina bar.
another he shot me so he must cheat thread, no way… any good funny unrelated pictures yet, as i obviousley didnt read past the first paragraph or any more of the useless ACCUSATIONS.
PEOPLE WHO ACCUSE ARE AS BAD AS THE ACTUAL CHEATERS imo.
I was under the impression – and I could be talking out my backside – that a player only sends updates of information at regular intervals (cl_maxpackets?) to the server, which already means the server has a less than precise idea of what to send out to a spectator, who then also only receives snapshot updates (sv_fps i think?) from the sever, so when you spectate you only see systematic updates of information from the player. Similar happens yet again when recording demos, it only saves update info for what it needs to know in order to be able to recreate the scene in a reasonable way. Going slo-mo to analyse precise aim movements just doesnt tell you anything whatsoever, its been sampled through at least once, up to 4 times already, and is anyway just your ET rebuilding the action from the info it has. when I say snapshots I dont mean to imply anything like a actual screengrab snapshot, it has nothing to do with the way a video is peiced together.
Havent bothered to check if its fixed in ET, but in RTCW when you spectated a Panzer you would often see them fire before their powerbar was full - what was actually happening is the “value” of his powerbar is a full powerbar for a pf soldier, but only 3/4 for your class, e.g. a LT. It was showing the correct power, just the wrong scale.
