Is there any way to get rid of cheaters immediately?

(Atagi) #1

I know you can report cheaters here:
https://support-dirtybomb.nexon.net/hc/en-us/requests/new

How do we get rid of them? We just had a match with some cheaters.
http://img0.suckmypic.net/img/y/f/lURDcSpX/ShooterGame-Win32-Shipping2015-12-2712-57-38-69-png_thumb.jpg

As you can see he doesn’t even try to hide his cheats and doesn’t care if he gets banned. Sadly hes right. He can just make a new account. Reporting takes more time than creating a new account. The support also takes a few days to check the reports. Creating a new account will be done in a few minutes. I don’t see any way to stop them. They will just make a new account as soon as their old is banned. Then they go on cheating spree with their aimbots for days till they get banned again.

So how do we get rid of them instantly? Votekick does not work because it was designed that almost everyone has to vote yes for it. This won’t happen because people either don’t vote or a few vote no.

The last time I reported people here I posted a video with their names and it was removed because of the no-naming-and-shaming rule. How come nexon defends the cheaters?

(Szakalot) #2

how long do you think a cheater will stick around? hacking his way through games, stuck with aura and skyhammer, and whatever 3 mercs are available? Fortunately such cheaters are likely gonna get bored with the game, and move on to cheat somewhere else.

There never was, and never will be an immediate solution to cheaters on the server, short of community-ran servers with a present admin.

(Jostabeere) #3

Heh, you had the joy playing against that incredible enormous dick Santa Claus.

On-topic now. Keep reporting them. It’s the only way we can deal with cheaters. NGS is pretty good if it comes to ban people, if you browse cheating forums. The hack threads are full of posts: “NGS banned meeeee”
About Nexon defending cheaters. Nexon does NOT defend cheaters. The no naming and shaming policy is for people who aren’t cheating in the first line.
I could download a cheat and make an account named Faraleth or Razielwarmonic. Then cheat ingame and people will go on the forums and say: “Faraleth is a cheater!” with videos of “Faraleth” using aimbot and going on a rampage with Vassili. Boom, the good name is ruined.

(tominatorx) #4

[quote=“Jostabeere;129837”]
I could download a cheat and make an account named Faraleth or Razielwarmonic. Then cheat ingame and people will go on the forums and say: “Faraleth is a cheater!” with videos of “Faraleth” using aimbot and going on a rampage with Vassili. Boom, the good name is ruined. [/quote]

Everybody would know that it would be a fake account. @Faraleth not using Sparks? You’re out of your mind! :wink: or @Razielwarmonic not playing as Sawbonez. :slight_smile:

Seriously though, you’re right the only thing we can do is report the people that cheat.

The no name policy is a good thing imo, some people get falsely accused of being a cheater and it would not be fair if their name got associated with hacker/cheater just because someone thought he was cheating.

(odie5533) #5

A good way to get rid of hackers is to give them reason to care about their account (Mercs, Loadouts, Items, etc.), and then punish hackers with permanent bans that make all their items disappear. Couple this with a matchmaking system that you need to climb and you’ll reduce the hacker population.

(Drcipres) #6

They dont care about these things, they just want to fuck around

(ThiagoJaqueta) #7

I remember that Punkbuster on W:ET banned the GUID of the computer, this means that, in theory, he could only play again if he had a new hardware, but we know that the system was waaaay away from flawless. However, every little helps I guess.

(Atagi) #8

Its just annoying the anti cheat kicks me out of the game for security violation but does not help against cheaters with aimbot.

(Mc1412013) #9

Immediately banning some one is bad idea… if there was an instant ban button people would get banned for no reason or stupid reasons. Example If my opponent is less skilled and I keep taking them out with one shotgun shot to the head constantly I don’t want some kid banning me Cuz I’m better then him and having to deal with nexons no unban policy for cheaters.

Plusses I worked way too hard and spent way too many hours getting g to where I’m at to have some butt hurt person banning me Cuz he lost a game

(Mc1412013) #10

[quote=“tominatorx;129844”][quote=“Jostabeere;129837”]
I could download a cheat and make an account named Faraleth or Razielwarmonic. Then cheat ingame and people will go on the forums and say: “Faraleth is a cheater!” with videos of “Faraleth” using aimbot and going on a rampage with Vassili. Boom, the good name is ruined. [/quote]

Everybody would know that it would be a fake account. @Faraleth not using Sparks? You’re out of your mind! :wink: or @Razielwarmonic not playing as Sawbonez. :slight_smile:

Seriously though, you’re right the only thing we can do is report the people that cheat.

The no name policy is a good thing imo, some people get falsely accused of being a cheater and it would not be fair if their name got associated with hacker/cheater just because someone thought he was cheating.

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I would think nexon/sd would have thought of this. I hope they linked this game to the steam acoutmnt/loggin not the steam gamer tag that can be changed when ever u want so if some one is faking someone they can tell the real vs fake one.

Also I could have sworn at some point steam gave every one a numerical I’d for there purposes which dB could use as well as an id but I could be thinking another service ihad

(Dirmagnos) #11

“No naming and shaming” policy serves only one purpose - lack of accountability and transparency, resulting in players knowing absolutely nothing about how bad(or good) situation is and allowing Nexon to do whatever they wannt.

I could download a cheat and make an account named Faraleth or Razielwarmonic. Then cheat ingame and people will go on the forums and say: “Faraleth is a cheater!” with videos of “Faraleth” using aimbot and going on a rampage with Vassili. Boom, the good name is ruined.

You cant make accounts with same names as far as i know. People has been pulling stunts like that for over a decade, it never works.

Considering how easy it is to get back into the game after ban, the only notable way to make cheaters life harder is to flog them in public(that Nexon is rather reluctant to do for some reason, since “no namign and shaming” does a lot more damage than it helps) and implement hardware bans.

(Jostabeere) #12

[quote=“Dirmagnos;130172”][quote=“Jostabeere;129837”]
About Nexon defending cheaters. Nexon does NOT defend cheaters. The no naming and shaming policy is for people who aren’t cheating in the first line.
[/quote]

“No naming and shaming” policy serves only one purpose - lack of accountability and transparency, resulting in players knowing absolutely nothing about how bad(or good) situation is and allowing Nexon to do whatever they wannt.[/quote]

I played a game where the devs released all names of banned players. There were nearly 5 hundreds of banned people weekly with an active playerbase of like 2K people. it didn’t do anything. People just knew the game is a cheatfest and flamed everyone on the forums who was on the banlist for every stupid reason.

[quote=“Dirmagnos;130172”][quote=“Jostabeere;129837”]
I could download a cheat and make an account named Faraleth or Razielwarmonic. Then cheat ingame and people will go on the forums and say: “Faraleth is a cheater!” with videos of “Faraleth” using aimbot and going on a rampage with Vassili. Boom, the good name is ruined. [/quote]

You cant make accounts with same names as far as i know. People has been pulling stunts like that for over a decade, it never works.[/quote]

http://puu.sh/mb9XB/d6ccf3cd0b.jpg
Sorry, but you’re wrong. And in comp the level isn’t even visible so I could be the real Faraleth for people who don’t check steam. And even if people check steam, there will be a crap-load of idiots who still gonna believe it’s real.

[spoiler]@Faraleth I already changed it back. Don’t want to fake you :cold_sweat: just for visual purposes. Hope you aren’t angry. [/spoiler]

(Dirmagnos) #13

Dont see a counter-argument.
While generic cheaters wont care, public banlists are not meant for them. They are mainly meant for all those wannabepros who eventually get sloppy and get busted. Its one thing when one of those losers claims that he was unfairly suspended, but its another, if theres clear official report posted regarding incident. Since many of those losers are show-offs and public humiliation will give quite a blow to their self-esteem.

Sorry, but you’re wrong. And in comp the level isn’t even visible so I could be the real Faraleth for people who don’t check steam. And even if people check steam, there will be a crap-load of idiots who still gonna believe it’s real.

Ok, thats plain stupid on SD part. Script that prevents name cloning is a musthave.

(Szakalot) #14

[quote=“Dirmagnos;130172”][quote=“Jostabeere;129837”]
About Nexon defending cheaters. Nexon does NOT defend cheaters. The no naming and shaming policy is for people who aren’t cheating in the first line.
[/quote]

“No naming and shaming” policy serves only one purpose - lack of accountability and transparency, resulting in players knowing absolutely nothing about how bad(or good) situation is and allowing Nexon to do whatever they wannt.

I could download a cheat and make an account named Faraleth or Razielwarmonic. Then cheat ingame and people will go on the forums and say: “Faraleth is a cheater!” with videos of “Faraleth” using aimbot and going on a rampage with Vassili. Boom, the good name is ruined.

You cant make accounts with same names as far as i know. People has been pulling stunts like that for over a decade, it never works.

Considering how easy it is to get back into the game after ban, the only notable way to make cheaters life harder is to flog them in public(that Nexon is rather reluctant to do for some reason, since “no namign and shaming” does a lot more damage than it helps) and implement hardware bans.[/quote]

hardware bans don’t work. there are ways to circumvent them, any hacker will.

naming and shaming serves no purpose, since any cheater will cheat with fake names etc. and DB being F2P you can always make another tag and become a new person. On the other hand, it protects the names of people that DON’T cheat, those who stick by their nicknames for years, and are recognizable in the community.

(Atagi) #15

[left][quote=“Dirmagnos;130172”][quote=“Jostabeere;129837”]
About Nexon defending cheaters. Nexon does NOT defend cheaters. The no naming and shaming policy is for people who aren’t cheating in the first line.
[/quote]

“No naming and shaming” policy serves only one purpose - lack of accountability and transparency, resulting in players knowing absolutely nothing about how bad(or good) situation is and allowing Nexon to do whatever they wannt.[/quote]
Yea I made a psot here on the forums and it was closed because of this rule. I got told to do a support ticket so I did. Got a reply message of nexon they look into it. A few days later I see the same guy ingame who still curses at everyone calling everyone n1gger, cottonpicker, jew and wishes them and their families to die on cancer. Guess what the support told me?
“Please note that you can mute this player so you will no longer see them type.”[/left]

In other words: We don’t care.

(Jostabeere) #16

[quote=“Atagi;130285”][left][quote=“Dirmagnos;130172”][quote=“Jostabeere;129837”]
About Nexon defending cheaters. Nexon does NOT defend cheaters. The no naming and shaming policy is for people who aren’t cheating in the first line.
[/quote]

“No naming and shaming” policy serves only one purpose - lack of accountability and transparency, resulting in players knowing absolutely nothing about how bad(or good) situation is and allowing Nexon to do whatever they wannt.[/quote]
Yea I made a psot here on the forums and it was closed because of this rule. I got told to do a support ticket so I did. Got a reply message of nexon they look into it. A few days later I see the same guy ingame who still curses at everyone calling everyone n1gger, cottonpicker, jew and wishes them and their families to die on cancer. Guess what the support told me?
“Please note that you can mute this player so you will no longer see them type.”[/left]

In other words: We don’t care.[/quote]

You are mad because Nexon didn’t ban someone who swears in-game? You comparing cheating to some non-important swears and expecting a punishment for the first time?
Nexon did the right thing to say you to just mute him.

(Wolf_Darkrose) #17

hmmm odd since ive seen people that have been reported by a full room knowing there where cheating / hacking and in many other cases as well… that people who pay more stuff in game are givin " chances " and dont get kicked… or worse you dont IP ban them if found guilt… meh thats just me ranting and being first hand at seeing this

(Atagi) #18

[left][quote=“Jostabeere;130291”][quote=“Atagi;130285”][left][quote=“Dirmagnos;130172”][quote=“Jostabeere;129837”]
About Nexon defending cheaters. Nexon does NOT defend cheaters. The no naming and shaming policy is for people who aren’t cheating in the first line.
[/quote]

“No naming and shaming” policy serves only one purpose - lack of accountability and transparency, resulting in players knowing absolutely nothing about how bad(or good) situation is and allowing Nexon to do whatever they wannt.[/quote]
Yea I made a psot here on the forums and it was closed because of this rule. I got told to do a support ticket so I did. Got a reply message of nexon they look into it. A few days later I see the same guy ingame who still curses at everyone calling everyone n1gger, cottonpicker, jew and wishes them and their families to die on cancer. Guess what the support told me?
“Please note that you can mute this player so you will no longer see them type.”[/left]

In other words: We don’t care.[/quote]

You are mad because Nexon didn’t ban someone who swears in-game? You comparing cheating to some non-important swears and expecting a punishment for the first time?
Nexon did the right thing to say you to just mute him.[/quote]

There is a different between swearing and insulting. Do you call this swearing?
http://img0.suckmypic.net/img/2/i/CbsSMcrx/c85c4fd3-png_thumb.jpg
Names removed because of the no naming and shaming

So its okay if everyone acts like him? He even said he is doing this for 3 months already and keeps doing it the next 5 months till overwatch gets released so he can leave. Using racist insults in every match without any consequence? Are you serious? You call it non-important swearing I call it racist insults which should not be tolerated and Im not comparing cheating with harassment.

People who insult others and call them n1gger, cottonpicker, jew and wish them and their families to die on cancer shouldn’t be ingame. I wanna play a game and have some fun and don’t want to get insulted by some racists.[/left]

(Jostabeere) #19

I lost it at: “Selling your chubby momma completely to a midget”.

(Dirmagnos) #20

[quote=“Szakalot;130252”]
hardware bans don’t work. there are ways to circumvent them, any hacker will.

naming and shaming serves no purpose, since any cheater will cheat with fake names etc. and DB being F2P you can always make another tag and become a new person. On the other hand, it protects the names of people that DON’T cheat, those who stick by their nicknames for years, and are recognizable in the community.[/quote]

HW bans are not a panacea, but an average lamer may have difficulties to get around it. Its most definitely a better solution than account bans. And thats what most “hackers” are.
Also calling those morons “hackers” is an insult for real hackers. They are cheaters who know how to run an executable or an injector, doesnt really take much of a knowledge(or brains) there.
Yes, naming does serve a purpose. Again, generic losers wont care, but any “skilled” highranker, who will get busted, will be publicly shown as a loser that he is. And most importantly he will serve as an example for every1 else, who either already uses “skill enhancers” or were thinking about it.
And actually good players will only get laughs out of ppl who will call them cheaters. If they dont do anything illegal, then they have nothing to fear. Since there cant be any proof to support those accusations.