Is glitch jumping ok?

[misspo]

Well, it’s not my problem, it’s the devs problem

[Gh0st1e]

I don’t use exploits myself but whenever I come across someone exploiting something in a game I find myself more frustrated with devs than the player that is exploiting the game.

Regardless, I look down on anyone that uses exploits.

[Dirmagnos]

[quote=“random;57641”]My general opinion on this matter is: If it is in the game it is allowed to be used.
So it is the Devs job to fix those things and players using them should not be banned.
Btw: More players using bugs = more attention = faster fix[/quote]

So, if gm would decide to just randomly ban you(without any particular reason, since hes feeling sad, for example), it would be ok as well ? Since he can, its part of the game after all.

[yusayu]

So, if gm would decide to just randomly ban you(without any particular reason, since hes feeling sad, for example), it would be ok as well ? Since he can, its part of the game after all.

Uhm, he can o.O
In the End the company/game has rules for this not to protect the player but to just not make them look like EA.

Btw. how are exploits unfair like cheats are? Everyone can use them, just like everyone can use stronger classes or stronger weapons or stronger loadouts. And as already stated, the more an exploit is used, the more attention it creates.

I know my opinion is controversial, but as somebody who has seen people getting banned from games/servers multiple times because they used ‘exploits’ and either didnt even know they did or didnt know it was an exploit i really hate rulings like ‘if you dont play the game as intented, get banned scrub’.

[frzn]

How are they supposed to know whats meant to be in the game and what isnt?

They should use their brains. Making your character float off into the sky or clip through a wall is obviously not intended.

[yusayu]

They should use their brains. Making your character float off into the sky or clip through a wall is obviously not intended.

You say that now, now imagine next patch, the standard weapon for some random class suddenly has 1.5x the damage due to a bug and it gets fixed 2 days later. More experienced players mightve known but the newbies not. Want to ban everyone who used the weapon? Even if they didnt know?

Apart from that the game is still in beta. Banning people in a beta for ‘using’ a bug is a really bad idea imo.

[NXA-Orellien]

[quote=“random;57641”]My general opinion on this matter is: If it is in the game it is allowed to be used.
So it is the Devs job to fix those things and players using them should not be banned.
Btw: More players using bugs = more attention = faster fix[/quote]

First off, just because something is possible within the game logic does not mean that it’s acceptable to take advantage of it. Splash Damage and Nexon are working hard on Dirty Bomb, we want it to be as perfect as possible, but there’s only so many hours in the day, and even the best testing in the world is not going to catch every single potentially exploitable jump, bug or combination.

That’s not to excuse the existence of those problems. They need to be fixed. But there’s a few hundred other things we need to work on, and every time a problem is fixed, we need to test it thoroughly to make sure that the fix is good and didn’t create any new problems, and that takes time.

My point is just that the attitude of “It’s there, it’s fine to exploit” ignores the reality of game development, that there are reasons that these exploits do pop up and aren’t immediately squashed.

So, yes, I’d ask that you give it a quick smell test before taking advantage: If it looks like an unfair exploit? Then please report it, and try to resist the urge to ruin the other team’s game by taking advantage of it.

[triteTongs]

I’ve never seen a ‘glitch jumper’ in a server ever. Besides the OP, has anyone else seen one?

Also, you can’t ban people for abusing bugs in a beta.
It’s a beta. You should be glad that someone FOUND that out so it can be patched.

[novelJoke]

Kind of a silly question imo…

We are in a beta right? Aren’t we here to test it and help fix it? So all glitches/exploits should be reported. If someone is abusing said glitches/exploits and not even reporting them then they should be removed from the beta as they are a problem.

Pretty simple.

[frzn]

[quote=“random;57753”]

They should use their brains. Making your character float off into the sky or clip through a wall is obviously not intended.

You say that now, now imagine next patch, the standard weapon for some random class suddenly has 1.5x the damage due to a bug and it gets fixed 2 days later. More experienced players mightve known but the newbies not. Want to ban everyone who used the weapon? Even if they didnt know?[/quote]
As I said, use your brain. Banning people for abusing an obvious exploit is not the same as banning people for every bug that gives them an advantage. Neither the players nor the devs are mindless automatons incapable of making judgement calls.

I’ve never seen a ‘glitch jumper’ in a server ever. Besides the OP, has anyone else seen one?

I’ve seen a couple of them, but not very many.

Also, you can’t ban people for abusing bugs in a beta.

Happens all the time actually, especially in soft-launch open betas.

[Deathi]

Ok this is a outstanding example, but yes. In general, as I understand this question, I’d say, simply let it be fixed, if it’s really unintended, and for them leagues, forbid it in your rules, if the majority of your players think so.
Sure there are, and there will be (new maps in future anyone?), places you shouldn’t be, but that distinction should be left to the devs.

Or to put it simply, I’d say “Oasis Walljump”. Some people will still call it an exploit, others will call it just some jumping. And that’s a more than ten year old thing. So, imo, let the devs decide, and everyone will play on the same ruleset.

[mrlong2]

I know I’ll get some flames for this, but, the point of games is to have fun, and for me, having fun involves playing the game whimsically, and just generally not the usual way.

Can someone explain exactly how this works though?

[Faraleth]

A glitch a friend and I found a short while ago was quite amusing… it basically made us stay in one spot on our screen, but our hit-boxes floated away, meaning we couldn’t be shot, but could shoot other people from our perspective.

Of course, some people got mad when we tested this and the instant hackusations came out. Now, I must reinforce I only killed 1 person, as did he (we were on opposite teams). People could see us floating in the sky but couldn’t shoot us, and it prompted a lot of rage, but it got me thinking… “This is beta, isn’t it?”

Isn’t beta for testing for bugs/glitches like this? People refused to listen, and immediately started raging in chat, in spite us apologising for the inconvenience. It wasn’t as if we abused it to kill many people, we simply stumbled across it, had a laugh, and tested it.

Key word there - tested. It didn’t require a second test, as we saw it worked and recorded it.

Bottom line for me is… It’s beta. Test the game and mess around with it. Have fun and try to suggest improvements and fixes to the developers. Abusing the game should not be tolerated, however (for example: if me and my friend ended up camping the spot and continued to shoot everyone - this would have been abuse). People need to wisen up and realise the difference. Just my thoughts

[Nail]

was designed into Oasis after people started trick jumping on Fuel Dump to get over the wall left of the gate iirc

[Deathi]

Fueldump (both sides, afaikr) were simply some fps-thing, even if the right-side was some l8er-thing? But I probably simply didn’t play ET early enough, possible?

[Nail]

Fuel Dump was the demo

[Deathi]

Ok, probably were the probably unintentional strafejumps on goldrush down the street. To be honest. Even if the game"designers" got younger, they probably should have played their game and their maps first, at least, this time. I mean, they are relying on the ET-promotion-effect?

[avidCow]

[quote=“triteTongs;57759”]I’ve never seen a ‘glitch jumper’ in a server ever. Besides the OP, has anyone else seen one?

Also, you can’t ban people for abusing bugs in a beta.
It’s a beta. You should be glad that someone FOUND that out so it can be patched.[/quote]

I’ve only seen one person using crouch macro to dodge while they reloaded. Looked faintly ridiculous as they scaled a wall with a tea-bagging motion.

[Deathi]

Yep and should be banned quite soon, as it is the same for most anti-recoil-macros.

[RadicalMac]

You mean the super jump? Where you sprint, crouch then jump in rapid succession and you get launched a little bit? I don’t find any advantages of this whatsoever. And I believe it could be a part of the game considering when you actually do it, each merc makes a wheeze or a HUGH sound when doing it. Not when reg jumping.