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[Zenious]

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[Amerika]

@Amerika have you actually played Combat Arms ?

No. But I’ve spoken with quite a few who have and read quite a bit about the current state of AC in the game.

[quote=“Zenious;73631”][quote=“Amerika;73183”][quote=“Zenious;73126”]And i don’t think you read my post the Nexon anti-cheat system is junk. Its been used in other games and does not work at all.
who wants to play a game when you get spawn camped by aimboters and cant move without getting shot through walls then you get kicked for hacking (when your not) just to rub salt in to the wound lol[/quote]

That is completely contrary to a lot of people I’ve spoken to or read in other places that said it’s been working out quite nicely and really cleaned up the cesspool that was Combat Arms compared to what it was before NGS. Sure, those games will have cheaters and so will DB. Nothing fixes cheating (unless you want to give up all privacy rights to your PC). So you should probably adjust your expectations. If it was all so easy to fix then cheating would have been stamped out 20 years ago. At least Nexon has full control over NGS and they have a monetary interest in making NGS work and keeping their games cheat free to keep people coming back.[/quote]

http://forum.nexoneu.com/showthread.php?315336-Anticheat-Program-Combat-Arms

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Exactly what am I looking at here. Because to me it seems like a random forum thread made 4.5 years ago back when CA had something called “Hackshield” instead of NGS if the one poster, who was banned, is correct.

[Zenious]

While I don’t disagree with your point that hacking will always be there.
There are systems that make it a lot harder and ones that don’t and the Nexon system is obviously the latter of the two
Just doing a quick Google search shows how ineffective it actually is with the torrent of hacks available (not that id actually use them)

and ya i didn’t see the age of the thread until id already posted it my bad xD

[KangaJoo]

[quote=“Ardez;73140”]
It has already been stated by Anti, one of the Devs, that the entire ranked system isn’t working out how they planned and they are seeing a very small spread in players ranks then they expected. The ranked system(which means all of the math behind the scenes) will be worked on and improved. Once that happens it will be quite a bit easier to move between ranks.[/quote]
I’ve always wondered how they determine rank. To me it feels like it’s almost XP based rather than skill based. Hopefully these changes come soon. I’m really starting to get sick of playing with absolutely brain dead teammates that get a quarter of my score while somehow being the same rank as me.

As for point number 5, give it some time. I’ll admit I’ve seen a couple blatant cheaters (as in a level 5 with terrible movement and positioning instaheadshotting my entire team) in competitive since the update, but it’s much less prevalent than before. Hopefully they fix the crashing issues and commit to keeping it updated.

[Jurmabones]

Why does every single thread that brings up relevant criticisms get dislike spammed? Why is the forum community so butthurt and defensive when anyone makes a fair remark about what SD is doing wrong?

I’m getting more worried about this game succeeding. It seems like the mods are very quick to shut down any thread that dares use the phrase “anti-cheat” in it, and there’s a clear bunch of forum dwellers whose job seems to be dislike/disagree spamming every single critical post.

Can any of you honestly say you think matchmaking is good? That their pace in delivering simple, new features like stat tracking or detailed ranks is adequate? That their only visible progress is on merc releases is desirable?

Also, comments like “Saying ‘Fix it’ isn’t enough, give specifics about WHY [feature] is bad” are very hollow. You all know for a fact that if the OP said “Competitive matchmaking is terrible because most games are golds vs unrankeds” would still get ridiculed and dislike spammed by the crowd of fanboy forumites.

Even without saying exactly why matchmaking is bad, EVERYONE who plays comp knows precisely why it is bad.

I’m just tired of seeing every relevant critique being shot down, thread closed, OP harassed, etc. When will you people stop being so blind and start expecting genuine improvement to the game? Are you going to make these lame excuses for SD all the way until the game totally dies in the near future? Because that’s what this game is well on track to accomplish with how things have been going for the last couple months.

P.S. I’ve got around 250 hours played and don’t plan on quitting until the community is absolutely dead. I like Dirty Bomb a lot but at the same time I am not going to pretend the game is great and that having unwarranted patience for getting basic improvements is going to make everything work out in the long run.

Once the community dries up, it will be too late for any changes to bring people back. You don’t call a product a “beta” while selling content at high price points while doing minimal work on core features. Slapping a new merc in every couple weeks isn’t going to keep anyone around longer than when the last pre-made merc is released.

I really wish all this toxic fanboyism would die down. What’s so wrong about people making criticism threads? Just the fact that moderators seem so compelled to police any negative feedback so heavily suggests the developers already know there’s a very short shelf-life for their game and they’d rather focus on stifling criticism and releasing nonconsequential updates just to keep people distracted from the fact that the game is clearly on the decline.

[B_Montiel]

[quote=“Jurmabones;73750”]Why does every single thread that brings up relevant criticisms get dislike spammed? Why is the forum community so butthurt and defensive when anyone makes a fair remark about what SD is doing wrong?

I’m getting more worried about this game succeeding. It seems like the mods are very quick to shut down any thread that dares use the phrase “anti-cheat” in it, and there’s a clear bunch of forum dwellers whose job seems to be dislike/disagree spamming every single critical post.
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The thing is that people mostly post shopping list complains that are neither reasoned nor constructive. It is so easy to complain, and there it’s also easy to disagree with people posting such threads. In this respect, I follow amerika and ardez in the way they deal with those threads.

If you have complains to make, write something reasoned and well built. You’ll still have some dislike spam, but you’ll generally see no constructed response in return, so they’re only disagreeing with you as a mindless reflexive move.

[Jurmabones]

they’re only disagreeing with you as a mindless reflexive move.

This is the case anyways, and exactly my point. SD fanboys have been maneuvered into automatically, unconsciously policing the forums so that ANYTHING negative, constructive or not, gets shot down by regular users, not just mods.

Even if someone took the extra five minutes to type out things specific like:
Competitive matchmaking always puts huge level and rank mismatches, creating imbalanced matches.
The new anti-cheat has been out for a while now and I still see very obvious cheaters, while my friends are kicked regularly from the ac crashing.
The new anti-cheat isn’t new, it’s the same exact thing from Combat Arms which is also a hacked-out Nexon game.
etc. etc.

You’d still see reflexive dislike spam and ignorant, brush-off type replies. It’s not like the mods or fanboys would stop closing and harassing those threads and posts.

Again, I play a lot of Dirty Bomb and have heavily supported this game. But it’s very sad to see newer forum accounts posting fair criticism only to see them get mindlessly shouted down.

There’s no way this game is going to succeed with the combination of a forum that’s hostile to reality and new members and a developer that’s riding the wave of pre-made content being artificially spaced out to mask the fact that more important core features (which can’t be logically monetized) are being given minimal resources.

[Amerika]

[quote=“Jurmabones;73750”]Why does every single thread that brings up relevant criticisms get dislike spammed? Why is the forum community so butthurt and defensive when anyone makes a fair remark about what SD is doing wrong?

I’m getting more worried about this game succeeding. It seems like the mods are very quick to shut down any thread that dares use the phrase “anti-cheat” in it, and there’s a clear bunch of forum dwellers whose job seems to be dislike/disagree spamming every single critical post.

Can any of you honestly say you think matchmaking is good? That their pace in delivering simple, new features like stat tracking or detailed ranks is adequate? That their only visible progress is on merc releases is desirable?

Also, comments like “Saying ‘Fix it’ isn’t enough, give specifics about WHY [feature] is bad” are very hollow. You all know for a fact that if the OP said “Competitive matchmaking is terrible because most games are golds vs unrankeds” would still get ridiculed and dislike spammed by the crowd of fanboy forumites.

Even without saying exactly why matchmaking is bad, EVERYONE who plays comp knows precisely why it is bad.

I’m just tired of seeing every relevant critique being shot down, thread closed, OP harassed, etc. When will you people stop being so blind and start expecting genuine improvement to the game? Are you going to make these lame excuses for SD all the way until the game totally dies in the near future? Because that’s what this game is well on track to accomplish with how things have been going for the last couple months.

P.S. I’ve got around 250 hours played and don’t plan on quitting until the community is absolutely dead. I like Dirty Bomb a lot but at the same time I am not going to pretend the game is great and that having unwarranted patience for getting basic improvements is going to make everything work out in the long run.

Once the community dries up, it will be too late for any changes to bring people back. You don’t call a product a “beta” while selling content at high price points while doing minimal work on core features. Slapping a new merc in every couple weeks isn’t going to keep anyone around longer than when the last pre-made merc is released.

I really wish all this toxic fanboyism would die down. What’s so wrong about people making criticism threads? Just the fact that moderators seem so compelled to police any negative feedback so heavily suggests the developers already know there’s a very short shelf-life for their game and they’d rather focus on stifling criticism and releasing nonconsequential updates just to keep people distracted from the fact that the game is clearly on the decline.[/quote]

The only threads that get “shut down” are the ones that are duplicates of other threads or do the naming and shaming thing.

I personally try to promote intelligent debates. Not FUD. FUD is against the forum rules and if you are going to make claims that something isn’t working, something is bugged, or you feel that something needs to be changed and do it in a manner that is close to FUD I personally am going to challenge you to speak your mind clearly as opposed to invoke forum rules that does shut talk like that down.

Ask yourself this. Are these posts that get dislikes…are they overwhelmingly negative and do not provide any or accurate reasons behind them and are probably duplicates from other threads? Because those are the posts I tend to see get voted down here.

Also, please link all these threads that either myself or Ardez has shut down. If you’re going to accuse you might as well do it with some evidence. I do speak my mind in threads but that’s because I’m a poster here and not a moderator. Try reading my signature some day. The day I can’t speak my mind exactly how I feel is the day I am no longer a volunteer mod here. I’ve been very critical on a lot of different topics. I just make sure I do it in a logical way and have valid reasons and examples. I don’t make a new thread for the 4th time in a day about how many players DB is losing.

Also, please provide evidence that Combat Arms is “Hacked out” while using NGS. I’ve actually had conversations with people who play with NGS right now and their opinion seems to be quite different than yours. Please, tell me what makes you believe what you believe.

[Ghosthree3]

The shooting through walls is the most annoying thing ever, doubt it will ever be fixed

Well it’s intended so no I don’t think it will be. There needs to be some kind of maximum ping limit added for compensation though because just today I got killed twice after walking around a corner like 2 seconds later because of people with 800 and 900 ping. This would be fine if I was actively running away the whole time and just couldn’t make it around the corner in time, but what actually happened was I was peaking for damage and took cover once I thought I was in danger. Little did I know some dude with almost 1,000 ping was shooting me and I ended up taking so much delayed damage I was killed, twice.

The player themselves has by no means an advantage, I’m not saying that. But the fact I couldn’t know at which point I had to retreat to be safe is retarded.

[Jurmabones]

“The only threads that get ‘shut down’ are the ones that are duplicates of other threads or do the naming and shaming thing.”

The only reason there are several anti-cheat threads is because you keep closing them so nobody can post unless they make a new one. The reason being that the ac is “new” (which isn’t true) and we need to give it some time. As I’ve asked before in a different thread (which you did NOT close! for the record! [it’s buried now though, don’t wanna get jailed for necroooloolol]): exactly who decides and how do they decide when it is okay to talk about Black Cipher/NGS? Another week from now? A month? Official release? At some point you have to admit it doesn’t make sense to artificially limit feedback simply because it’s not positive or exhaustive.

P.S. I’m not saying this to demonize you or be rude, it’s just what I’ve observed as someone who started visiting the forums regularly a few weeks or so ago. I’ve spoken to you directly in Twitch chat before. Scarfino’s stream I believe. I think you’re a fine person, but you can’t deny that you are pretty zealous about shutting down negative feedback ever since the “new” anti-cheat was released.

[Amerika]

[quote=“Jurmabones;73778”]“The only threads that get ‘shut down’ are the ones that are duplicates of other threads or do the naming and shaming thing.”

The only reason there are several anti-cheat threads is because you keep closing them so nobody can post unless they make a new one. The reason being that the ac is “new” (which isn’t true) and we need to give it some time. As I’ve asked before in a different thread (which you did NOT close! for the record! [it’s buried now though, don’t wanna get jailed for necroooloolol]): exactly who decides and how do they decide when it is okay to talk about Black Cipher/NGS? Another week from now? A month? Official release? At some point you have to admit it doesn’t make sense to artificially limit feedback simply because it’s not positive or exhaustive.

P.S. I’m not saying this to demonize you or be rude, it’s just what I’ve observed as someone who started visiting the forums regularly a few weeks or so ago. I’ve spoken to you directly in Twitch chat before. Scarfino’s stream I believe. I think you’re a fine person, but you can’t deny that you are pretty zealous about shutting down negative feedback ever since the “new” anti-cheat was released.[/quote]

I don’t shut down feedback. I shut down threads that are duplicates or in some cases based so much on FUD that it has to be. Zenious linked a forum thread from 4.5 years ago as evidence that Combat Arms is a game that is full of hackers. Not only is it out of date but apparently CA wasn’t even using the same AC system it does now. That is called FUD and I usually shut it down.

If you are angry and come here to post FUD and it’s a repeat of other threads like it then it will get shut down fast. However, ask any of the long time posters here just how much we all debate and criticize on this forum. The difference is most of it is based on actual facts and not “I’M ANGRY SO I’M GOING TO SAY RANDOM THINGS TO GET MY ANGER ACROSS TO EVERYONE”. Not all feedback is constructive. And you don’t necro threads…you search for them and read the content. If you then feel the content isn’t up to date or have more questions then you start a new thread. That’s part of your responsibility of being a forum poster on any forum that’s ever existed.

People who base their opinion on FUD or inaccurate information will get corrected. And sometimes it will get shut down if it’s nothing but FUD or if it’s a duplicate. Because keeping control of spam is part of the job of a moderator.

[bwort110]

/Jurmabones said it, on the one hand u call it a open beta and all the mods and the fanboys only can say “heh its a beta, all is coming soon”. On the other hand, they have high prices like the game would be full released. At this moment, the game is a late alpha, nothing more.
I supported this game with money and friends and I am just disappointed. If u open ranked play than care about it. No one needs a new merc and hell no one needs a new playmode!!! The player base still falling down and the new mode will split them up. It’s so easy to see what’s going wrong here.

[Amerika]

[quote=“bwort110;73793”]/Jurmabones said it, on the one hand u call it a open beta and all the mods and the fanboys only can say “heh its a beta, all is coming soon”. On the other hand, they have high prices like the game would be full released. At this moment, the game is a late alpha, nothing more.
I supported this game with money and friends and I am just disappointed. If u open ranked play than care about it. No one needs a new merc and hell no one needs a new playmode!!! The player base still falling down and the new mode will split them up. It’s so easy to see what’s going wrong here.[/quote]

Do not confuse me having a different opinion as you as me trying to sway opinion using mod status. Read my signature. The day I can’t speak my mind is the day I am no longer a mod.

With that said I am not a selfish person. I understand that new features, balance changes, bug fixes and new mercs is something that lots of different people want. I have a list of things that I personally want to see changed, fixed or added but I don’t instantly use my viewpoint as the default viewpoint that everyone else has. Some people are afflicted by the, “me me me” mentality and also don’t know how to factor in just how much of an effort some things are and how long software takes to develop.

It’s OK to voice your opinion…I complain all the time about things I am interested in. But do it in a CONSTRUCTIVE manner. Acting as if your world view is the only view anybody should have while not being constructive and throwing in a healthy dose of FUD will get you a non-supportive response from a lot of people who post on this forum.

Please do not accuse me of trying to shut things down or censor because I simply disagree. That is just another form of FUD to try and further an already weak argument.

[Jurmabones]

Lol, what the hell is FUD?

[Amerika]

Fear, uncertainty and doubt.

[i]Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD)

• Do not to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) on the forums. This includes making claims on what Nexon’s actions intentions are.[/i]

In other words if you have something super negative or positive to say you should definitely be prepared with accurate information and logic behind what you’re saying. Because people are going to, rightfully, question it. I know I will.

[Zenious]

don’t use me as an excuse, I already said earlier that I didn’t see the age of the link and removed it MYSELF so in no way can you use that as your crusade ammunition or say i was trying to be FUD as you put it.

[Amerika]

don’t use me as an excuse, I already said earlier that I didn’t see the age of the link and removed it MYSELF so in no way can you use that as your crusade ammunition or say i was trying to be FUD as you put it.

Excuse me? You linked it as a direct response to the conversation that was taking place. That was the perfect example of what is wrong with these types of posts/threads and why people question them or hit the dislike button. You didn’t even bother to read let alone fact check before posting that. So yes, I can use it.

And don’t say I’m crusading against you or anybody. Fact checking and calling people out for posting bad information isn’t a crusade. It’s simply what everyone should be doing.

[Zenious]

You asked me to support my claim that the system does not work so i linked the first forum post in which there was complaints from a google search.

And as i said after a quick google search for hacks tells you all you need to know with the 100s of sites hosting hacks

Here is a link to a forum for hackers saying how easy it is to hack the new system (and they are talking about the same system)

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[Amerika]

Please, do not link cheating websites on the forums.

You, “supported your claim” by linking what you did which did nothing to support your claim. You didn’t even bother to read the dates or the information in the thread.

And you can google for cheats for any game. And all AC systems are “easy” to create a cheat for due to how AC systems have to work. This topic has been discussed a lot on this forum. There isn’t a magic fix that stops all cheating or it wouldn’t be a problem now 20 years later still. The best you can do is use a layered defense and quick response time to big issues to minimize the amount of cheaters that can swarm and frustrate them as much as possible. This is also very well known.

[Zenious]

so now you remove the evidence that validates my point and you say your not on a crusade and you debate using facts and evidence yet when faced with something contrary to your doctrine you REMOVED it

Says alot