Information concerning players that give big troubles on servers...


(razor) #1

Hi!

After some really bad experiences with some players… and take care they can request to be admins ! :o
(They can change of GUID but they generally use the exposed guid under)

FF4CA509C076B1D94AA102394B878910
74D12AD1C4822EAF1ECFB7FB241622FE
4299DE18F4927B09BA866D51BB2D4832
E06C7E02E0A3F8580A46299B0BA5AB3D

…Feel free to do what you feel the best for possible cheat that could appear natural!


(Destroy666) #2

And what’s the point of this topic? If I had your GUID, I could post it in other forum as a warning like that too. What would you expect to happen after that? I doubt anyone will/would ban or punish them/you without seeing any valid proof.


(Domagoj) #3

i agree with destroy666


(webDogster) #4

If someone joins a server and asks for admin rights then use common sense it’s silly to post guids without any supporting evidence. The fact is any server admin that gives out rights without seeing a player that he either trusts or knows very well is asking for trouble. You have to take time to know whether someone deserves admin rights on your server bypassing these rules will end up in disaster

Regards Dogster


(ETJump-Zero) #5

[QUOTE=webDogster;458480]If someone joins a server and asks for admin rights then use common sense it’s silly to post guids without any supporting evidence. The fact is any server admin that gives out rights without seeing a player that he either trusts or knows very well is asking for trouble. You have to take time to know whether someone deserves admin rights on your server bypassing these rules will end up in disaster

Regards Dogster[/QUOTE]EDIT: Meh… Reading comprehension fail.

Anyway, I agree with the rest… Posting random guids is silly.


(razor) #6

You be Masterfloor and Admin and you post answers like that ? :o
Oops it is really Scary ! Make it me cold in the back ! :o

What do you scare about ? To kick a pro player ? :slight_smile: Please let use laugh a bit :wink:

4 examples :

  1. online use !listplayers OR !userinfo >>> get at least the last 8 Digit of GUID
    method for old crapy admin that love to waste time…

  2. create a Ban (no need to check because is already banned !) :slight_smile:
    [ban]
    name = Suspicious1
    guid = F06C7E02E0A3F8580A46299B0BA5AB3C
    ip = 63.70.11O.251
    (any IP can do the trick most used are not fixed : OR use one of any other BAN)
    mac = (can be faked is useless)
    reason = Disturber
    made = 05/07/13 12:45:32 (time date as you feel)
    expires = 0
    banner = Masterfloor BAN

& Since when a Masterfloor need to express a Reason to ban ? :o
… Sure Masterfloor do what he want on his own server without need to explain

  1. LUA check system
    local cl_guid = string.upper(et.Info_ValueForKey( et.trap_GetUserinfo( clientNumber ), “cl_guid” ))
    Now with some LUA part posted ; enjoy I am not a Beginner ! :slight_smile:
    [But you be free to continue to not trust me… :wink: ]
    ** As pro feel free to create your own System :slight_smile:

  2. And finally … Feel free to find another solution or to do nothing

Feel free to do nothing and to get your own problems :slight_smile:
Examples :

  • Sure this is your problem if you love Cheater and Disturbers on your servers ! : this is YOUR OWN PROBLEM !
  • If you enjoy your players to be disturbed by bad admin that come from some other clan
  • Admin that ask you during many month to provide admin level to some other disturbers
  • That will Apply bad commands… !putteam, balance… that will say your players are doing TK to kick/ban them…
  • Changing of names to act bad… how will you really be able to track that, please explain to us :slight_smile:
  • Using Aim Bot, some bot look like normal players

Cheater or Disturber is not in PBBANS list ?… well 90% servers are no more Punkbuster Tracked !

Our Opinion : we prefer to have no Cheater players, than Head Servers filled of cheaters !
Have you tested the new Cheats ? : they are very cool :slight_smile:


(stealth6) #7

What is a natural cheat? Do you mean humanized aim?

You posted 4 “guids” without proof,… what do you expect? They could be fake guids that mean nothing.

Here is another guid: 56E34ED1C4834EAF1ECFF7FB301277DC
Are you now going to ban this guid because I say it’s a malacious player? Truth is I just made this guid up!

Also it’s funny that you say “mac = (can be faked is useless)” when guid is even easier to fake…

Just say no! Most people asking for adminrights don’t deserve them…

If you really want to find out if a player is the same as another player (changed names) you can do it many ways:

  • Players often have a certain play style, so just because they changed their names, they might still play the same way.
  • They might type the same way, saying the same things in chat.
  • Check Guid, IP & Mac most of the time the player will be too lazy to change all of these things.

(ETJump-Zero) #8

I have hosted multiple W:ET servers throughout my ET “career”. I’m also pretty sure the rest posting in this topic have too. We know what we’re doing. I don’t think anyone needs an example to get a players guid nor do I think we are scared of kicking a pro player accidently. If that happens, you can always apologize. Also laughing at our posts makes you look kind of arrogant. Posting one line of LUA code doesn’t really make you an expert either.

The thing is, you don’t really seem to understand that posting 4 random text strings isn’t a proof of anything. What if they’re just 4 friendly guys you just happen to hate for some reason. They could be cheaters or griefers, but you’re not proving it. That is why no competent admin is going to ban those GUIDs/IPs.

It’s also a fact that changing PB based GUID is quite simple. Bans based on GUIDs will not last for very long, because nowadays (as far as I know) everyone needs to actually manually get the GUID, thanks to PB no longer hosting authentication servers. This means even the dumbest player in the world is capable of changing a GUID.

MAC bans can be spoofed, yes, but it actually requires a lot (still very little) more effort to do, hence it would be way better to include here. (Not that we still would ban, check first paragraph.) One shouldn’t be spoofing MAC addresses anyway, makes your ISP sad. :frowning:

Usually cheaters have a certain IP range at their use. For example 5 IPs that start with a certain prefix such as 123.456.*. Banning the IP range prevents them from reconnecting. It will also ban all users from the same IP range, hence not very useful. Banning the IPs one by one is a method that will work, eventually.

Advanced cheaters use proxies to hide their real IP, but usually the IPs of these proxies are already banned (thanks to some other cheater), especially if they’re free. Companies providing VPNs to hide your IP don’t have millions of IPs either. It will not take very long to ban them all, meaning all cheaters using the same proxies will be banned. Proxies also increase latency between client and server making it more difficult to enjoy the cheating experience.

If you can’t judge if a player is trustworthy for admin power, you just need to practise being a server admin. Obviously everyone misjudges every once in a while, but at some point it’s quite easy to see, who’s trustworthy and who’s not.

I don’t think anyone wants cheaters or griefers to their servers. It’s just that you’re pointing a finger at some random people we don’t know. We have no idea who they are or what they have done. This is why we’re not banning anyone listed here.

Thanks, Zero

PS.

  • Changing of names to act bad… how will you really be able to track that, please explain to us

I thought you said you’re not a beginner. Use a simple LUA system to track the player based on IP range, GUID, MAC address, hardware ID (if supported by mod) or anything else that can identify a player. It wouldn’t take more than a few nights for a competent coder to implement.


(BigBear) #9

oh yes well done! We have one here, that have given many problems, we always keep .dm in case of :

http://youtu.be/s0on3wpinEY

These bad products can crash the Servers (example with Unban Feature…).
And Now with Humanized MultiHack, they are harder to detect.
But what is more fun is seeing some players doing 2x jump on Servers where 2x is Disabled :slight_smile: !


(ETJump-Zero) #10

[QUOTE=BigBear;461708]oh yes well done! We have one here, that have given many problems, we always keep .dm in case of :

http://youtu.be/s0on3wpinEY

These bad products can crash the Servers (example with Unban Feature…).
And Now with Humanized MultiHack, they are harder to detect.
But what is more fun is seeing some players doing 2x jump on Servers where 2x is Disabled :slight_smile: ![/QUOTE]

Last I checked, every mod implements double jump serverside. That is not possible without modifying the doublejump cvar… Noone can crash the server as long as you use up to date mods & engine and humanized aimbot has been around since forever.