VAC isn’t horrible at all. I’ll admit that I did try out a wall hack in CS 1.6 ( i think ) out of curiosity. Needless to say I was only able to join 1 game before my account was perma banned from VAC Servers.
Overall I haven’t seen too many true hackers, just some disgustingly sick players or ****ty lag on my part.
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Oh and if you want to insult me on a personal level in that way, fine. Not my problem if you can’t handle your word being critised or questioned.[/QUOTE]
In the words of a wise man: “you started it, so ner”.
Please don’t dish it out it you don’t like it, and please (more) don’t be a massive hypocrite.
And no, it’s not statistically impossible. Nor is it hyperbolic. Cheers.
[QUOTE=Pizis;310908]VAC isn’t horrible at all. I’ll admit that I did try out a wall hack in CS 1.6 ( i think ) out of curiosity. Needless to say I was only able to join 1 game before my account was perma banned from VAC Servers.
Overall I haven’t seen too many true hackers, just some disgustingly sick players or ****ty lag on my part.[/QUOTE]
My experience precisely, minus the trying hacks. You dirty cheater!
[QUOTE=fearlessfox;310911]In the words of a wise man: “you started it, so ner”.
Please don’t dish it out it you don’t like it, and please (more) don’t be a massive hypocrite.
And no, it’s not statistically impossible. Nor is it hyperbole. Cheers.
My experience precisely, minus the trying hacks. You dirty cheater![/QUOTE]
I WAS YOUNG AND CARELESS!!
But yeah lesson learned.
Yawn yea i’ll keep this one going, by making a stupid statement like “i’ve only seen 3 hackersin my 6 years of playing” you invite an insult, therefore you started by being a fool and saying something not only foolish but statistically impossible.
I hav’nt been questioning the source based games, yea VAC works in those coz Valve have a vestied intrest in them plus thats the original platform VAC was designed for so yea it works there, just not anywhere outside the source engine.
I’ll be the better man here and appologise for being an awkward dick, i also appolgise for making any personal remarks. But my hatred for VAC is justified because i don’t play source games.
Accepted. Mine were only meant to highlight how unpleasant they are, didn’t actually mean them.
Yay, we’re all friends!
[QUOTE=fearlessfox;310885]Sure, it’s VAC automatically… it can’t just be horrid admins.
It’s not that hackers are so rampant, it’s that admins like to kick on a whim and use “hacker” as an all-round excuse.[/QUOTE]
But I’ve never seen that in Punkbuster games. Never saw anyone get kicked out of ETQW for hacking, and I never saw a hacker.
W:ET, actually had a bunch, but PB stopped support for it.
Q3A rarely had hackers, and when there were legit 90% lightning gun hackers in Rocket Arena, we would take it as a legit challenge, I suppose because that’s the kind of game it was.
I’ve seen far more hackers in my short time playing CS:S than the decade I spent enjoying the other 3 games combined. And sure, admins are ****ty, but they’re ****ty because the players are ****ty because they’re allowed to get away with it through lack of proper anti-cheat measures.
What im trying to get at in my original post about VAC is yea it might ban ppl most of the time but that delayed ban gives cheaters anything from 5 days to a month of cheating, screwing up the game for those of us that try and remain honest when we play. VAC is’nt as much of a ballache as punkbuster but punk uses the instaban method which in my opinion is a better method, dont let the hacker sit there guessing and theorising, justget ****ing rid of him right there and then, dont piss about trying to decieve him.
[QUOTE=fearlessfox;310853]The vast majority of people who cheat and get caught won’t keep doing it over and over and buying game after game simply to run cheat scripts.
In my 6 years of using steam as a primary MP delivery system, I came across three obvious hackers. That’s pretty good going.
Honestly, VAC is very good.[/QUOTE]
While I don’t agree with the way the other guy responded to this post I do agree that if you played any game for 6 years and saw only 3 hackers you seriously need to take off those rose colored glasses, I was playing CS:S up until Brink’s release and we’d voteban 3 obvious hackers sometimes in a day (and these were terrible no humanization to them at all, snapping to heads and such), VAC isn’t that great but neither was punkbuster, when it comes down to it I’d prefer punkbuster as I’m not a big fan of having a game store/messenger/anti-cheat and so on and so forth eating up resources in the background, pb’s footprint was quite minimal compared to steam’s
Never had the pleasure of playing with Sir Dark??? There were some pb kicks when the game was first released, if you go to pbbans you can see there actually is an MBL for it with last I remember about 30 total hackers on it
Agreed. punkbuster was alot more agressive as an anticheat, Steam for all it’s good intenetions can be an absolute ballache when it decides to go offline, which means all your games become useless, as a digital distributer yea i like but it should’nt be a requirement to play the game. CD keys take care of the piracy 90% of the time, but most ppl that pirate a game will eventually buy it, think of piracy asa try before you buy as most devs refuse to supply demo’s now. as a updater steam is also good but again it sohlud’nt be required, just an option.
I don’t play CS:S, never have, so I can’t comment on the state of that title, but I can assure you 100% that my statements are true.
And I know how to spot a hacker, trust me. My years spent pre VAC taught me that.
[QUOTE=Luddens Desir;310944]But I’ve never seen that in Punkbuster games. Never saw anyone get kicked out of ETQW for hacking, and I never saw a hacker.
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The exact same reasoning people are giving against my claims could be applied here. You’ve never seen admin get overzealous and kick for “hacking” in the games you’ve listed? If you’ve spent any decent amount of time playing in public servers on any of them /I/ find /that/ hard to believe.
Could you give us a list of the mltiplayer games you play fearlessfox, not trying o start an arguement again, just trying to get a more informed idea of what your getting at when you say you hav’nt seen more than 3 hacker’s.
You lost me with that statement right there for the past 6 years I have adminned on some of the most popular W: ET, Quake Wars, TF2, BC2, CS:S, CoD 4 (notice no mw2 or black ops Atvi will never get a dollar out of my pocket for sh** games) servers and I still have troubles spotting good humanized hacks, and the only sure fire way to spot them is to record a server side demo, so while you may think you know how to spot hacks, in reality you seem to only know how to spot the obvious ones (like the ones I mentioned vote kicking in CS)
edit: no lulz for the Sir Dark reference or is that so '98?
Spotting aimbots that up your accuracy is hard as ****, but I can usually spot them in ET. Quake, on the other hand, is a different story.
Nah. Last time I jumped on by the end of 2010 there actually seemed to be a few people hacking, I.E. strogg with l4 LW before the 3rd map of a campaign, but before that there was really no hackers that I could spot. I only suspected the people that were really hard to out gun, and that was rare.
[QUOTE=fearlessfox;310962]I don’t play CS:S, never have, so I can’t comment on the state of that title, but I can assure you 100% that my statements are true.
The exact same reasoning people are giving against my claims could be applied here. You’ve never seen admin get overzealous and kick for “hacking” in the games you’ve listed? If you’ve spent any decent amount of time playing in public servers on any of them /I/ find /that/ hard to believe.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I saw an admin ban someone for cheats the other day, and I almost got into an argument with him for banning people for no reason, until I realized the guy really was wall hacking. Why it clicked is a very obtuse explanation.
Other than that, no. Never been, or seen anyone banned that wasn’t obviously hacking.
Also: PB restricts people from coming into servers that are suspected of hacking, or have inconsistent files. It seems they’ re pretty agressive with banning, but you don’t lose your account or anything like that.
[QUOTE=panickin;310990]You lost me with that statement right there for the past 6 years I have adminned on some of the most popular W: ET, Quake Wars, TF2, BC2, CS:S, CoD 4 (notice no mw2 or black ops Atvi will never get a dollar out of my pocket for sh** games) servers and I still have troubles spotting good humanized hacks, and the only sure fire way to spot them is to record a server side demo, so while you may think you know how to spot hacks, in reality you seem to only know how to spot the obvious ones (like the ones I mentioned vote kicking in CS)
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I do like how you assume I meant “spot off-the-cuff”, of course you need to do a little detective work sometimes… thanks for giving me credit instead of… oh, never mind.
Of course, a person who knows how to use an aimbot and hide that fact would be next to impossible to spot. Newbies who hold down the bot trigger constantly are easy.
In my years of gaming I’ve been banned for “hacking” far more times than I can count. It’s usually because I keep killing the host and they don’t like it. Sometimes because myself and a clan member go in incognito and ‘team work’ apparently = cheating (and no, I don’t mean heavy/medic leeching). The only time I’ve ever hacked is when we’ve tried out known hacks on our private servers so we could learn how to spot them better on our public ones.
You’ll have to take my word on that, I guess, but I’ve seen more than my fair share of admins abusing their position because they can’t get over the fact that there’s always someone out there better than you.
[QUOTE=fearlessfox;311035]In my years of gaming I’ve been banned for “hacking” far more times than I can count. It’s usually because I keep killing the host and they don’t like it. Sometimes because myself and a clan member go in incognito and ‘team work’ apparently = cheating (and no, I don’t mean heavy/medic leeching). The only time I’ve ever hacked is when we’ve tried out known hacks on our private servers so we could learn how to spot them better on our public ones.
You’ll have to take my word on that, I guess, but I’ve seen more than my fair share of admins abusing their position because they can’t get over the fact that there’s always someone out there better than you.[/QUOTE]
I haven’t been banned a whole crapload for this but I usually only play on servers that either friends run or belong to a community run by friends (or my own, I ran the House of Pain for W: ET and ET: QW so obviously never banned from them, vote kicked a few times on the QW server, we used to call vote kicks on each other and regulars for fun all the time and yes we were very fair about it, the regs would vote kick us all the time too) But the one anecdotal tale I do have is my W: ET clan leader constantly speccing me cuz he thought I hacked, that was classic stuff
@ fearlessfox, what multiplayer games do you play and what anti cheat is implemented in them?.