I think I finally understand the low reviews...


(sohei kuma) #41

[QUOTE=phoen1x;325763]ShadowAurora,
He is wrong. Saying that one online fps is not repetitive and other IS is just plain stupid. Talking about story line it’s Bethesda’s/SD biggest mistake, they have confused a lot of people. The biggest problem with threads like this is that OTHER people CARE what some COD/BF fans tells 'em they don’t have their own opinion about the game.

Sohei kuma,
Play the game for FUN not some bullcrap aka medals achievments. This is what games are meant for…FUN… I played et:qw for like 1.5k hours and still it’s a lot of fun. Oh and DO OBJECTIVES TO WIN THE GOD DAMN GAME… you…censored…[/QUOTE]

U mad bro?

Jesus, calm down. Your precious game IS NOT FUN. That’s the point. It is boring. Dull. Dry. Without entertainment value. It is boring to different people for different reasons, but it is boring. It will be dead in 2 months with only losers like you playing, grinding out XP and playing the same 3 maps over and over again. Guaranteed. I decided to give constructive criticism about how to make the game more interesting rather than just be pissed, but whatever.

Why would I even care about winning the game? So I don’t let down my team, half of which are bots anyway? So I can feel like a winner… by triumphing over a team of bots? It doesn’t even test your skill. You just run at the objectives and hold X – there is no skill measured or involved in this game. Aka, BORING.


(phoen1x) #42

[QUOTE=sohei kuma;325799]U mad bro?

Jesus, calm down. Your precious game IS NOT FUN. That’s the point. It is boring. Dull. Dry. Without entertainment value. It is boring to different people for different reasons, but it is boring. It will be dead in 2 months with only losers like you playing, grinding out XP and playing the same 3 maps over and over again. Guaranteed. I decided to give constructive criticism about how to make the game more interesting rather than just be pissed, but whatever.[/QUOTE]
LOL those kids. I’m playing it for fun, i like sd games, i like fighting for objectives. I don’t play this game for xp u freaking medal/achievment whore, wanna COD go play COD, simple and plain. BTW its 8 maps not 3, and free DLC comming. Constructive criticism? Are u serious “bro”? Playing with bots? Thats your fault. I’m playing it with real people against real people.


(ataliba) #43

so… when you reach level 20… what’s the point in earning 13337 xp just to watch them vanish…


(sohei kuma) #44

A) I’m 33 years old. Not a kid, douche. I’m older and, I dare venture, far smarter than you are.

B) I’m playing online. It’s not my fault that NO ONE ELSE IS ONLINE playing this suck game. I even play the “big teams” mode (LOL @ 8 players = big)

C) Real creative with the “go play COD” slur. I don’t play COD anymore, but all of them were more fun than this crap. At least those games require some skill.


(Swimmy) #45

LOL Surgeon posts a neutral friendly post about brink and some of the fanboys are still in butt hurt denial.


(phoen1x) #46

Friendly neutral? Then why he mentioned games that i call CRAP? not repetetive and not boring? right cod and bf are not repetetive. /sarcasm.

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: right, says console player. If u don’t like the game don’t play it, just don’t spam forum about it.


(Kalbuth) #47

It’s not critics on Brink that hurt.
It’s things like this

so… when you reach level 20… what’s the point in earning 13337 xp just to watch them vanish…
which hurts me
a lot

You are playing a FPS

Not some kind of RPG where you level your character to give him a “personality”

A FPS. A game where you happily shoot at each others, and in case of Brink, additionaly do some other stuff to help each others and such
The goal is to get better than the group of players you are facing, by the way of better shooting skill, better strat, better teamplay. The fun is in trying some strat or trick, reacting to opponent action, and succeed, or fail miserably (this can be fun too! :smiley: )
XP, levels, all this RPG crap is out of the equation of the enjoyement you can have with this game.


(DS-StrangeR) #48

[QUOTE=Shotgun Surgeon;325071]WARNING: This post compares Brink to other games like COD, and favors the other games. If this gets your blood boiling, don’t read.

It’s sad to see people on my friends list go from playing Brink to going back to either BC2 or Black Ops. But at the same time, each time I play Brink I get more and more bored of it. I used to LOVE this game and I used to think it was the best game out there! But now I have to force myself to play it sometimes just to justify the money spent for it.

I purchased Black Ops and wow… much better than I remember COD being. It is just a lot more balanced than MW2 (MW2 made me hate and quit Call of Duty). And I’m not one to care much about KDR. All I care about is winning/losing, getting objectives done, and just having a FUN time. What makes me really happy about purchasing Black Ops is that I feel like I got my money’s worth. It’s got CONTENT – an actual campaign, awesome co-op zombies, addictive multiplayer. Now I know why most gamers returned or traded in their copy of Brink and returned to COD or BC2. Going from a content-rich game to the lackluster content of Brink is like moving from a mansion to a cardboard box.

I understand now why reviewers called it “REPETITIVE.” Yes, playing Demolition over and over again in COD:BO is repetitive and playing conquest over and over again in BC2 is repetitive also… but it’s a different kind of repetitive. It’s almost like how people kept playing de_dust 24/7 in CS. I guess the right word I’m looking for is addictive. Brink is not an addicting game. Why? For each map, there are multiple objectives. The problem is that these objectives are not fun to do!

I think there’s more than just loving Brink or hating Brink. If you love Brink, you can either get bored of it over time or fall completely in love with it and spend a long time with it. Like I said, I’m trying to keep myself interested in Brink but it’s hard. I think all I’m doing now is trying to justify $60. I know that some of you out there spent more money for multiple copies (and more power to ya!!) but this game is becoming boring real fast.[/QUOTE]

100% agreeing with you…


(Swimmy) #49

[QUOTE=phoen1x;325985]Friendly neutral? Then why he mentioned games that i call CRAP? not repetetive and not boring? right cod and bf are not repetetive. /sarcasm.

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: right, says console player. If u don’t like the game don’t play it, just don’t spam forum about it.[/QUOTE]

Repetitive? Brink is repetitive due to poor map design and little content. COD and BF are not repetitive games. They have high levels of content to keep things fresh. BF in particular provides you with multiple options to achieve victory.


(Swimmy) #50

[QUOTE=Kalbuth;325989]It’s not critics on Brink that hurt.
It’s things like this which hurts me
a lot

You are playing a FPS

Not some kind of RPG where you level your character to give him a “personality”

A FPS. A game where you happily shoot at each others, and in case of Brink, additionaly do some other stuff to help each others and such
The goal is to get better than the group of players you are facing, by the way of better shooting skill, better strat, better teamplay. The fun is in trying some strat or trick, reacting to opponent action, and succeed, or fail miserably (this can be fun too! :smiley: )
XP, levels, all this RPG crap is out of the equation of the enjoyement you can have with this game.[/QUOTE]

Games evolve. How about we all go back to the original wolfenstein game and play that online in its purest form. Then we’ll see how much you’ll complain about that.


(Swimmy) #51

[QUOTE=Kalbuth;325989]It’s not critics on Brink that hurt.
It’s things like this which hurts me
a lot

You are playing a FPS

Not some kind of RPG where you level your character to give him a “personality”

A FPS. A game where you happily shoot at each others, and in case of Brink, additionaly do some other stuff to help each others and such
The goal is to get better than the group of players you are facing, by the way of better shooting skill, better strat, better teamplay. The fun is in trying some strat or trick, reacting to opponent action, and succeed, or fail miserably (this can be fun too! :smiley: )
XP, levels, all this RPG crap is out of the equation of the enjoyement you can have with this game.[/QUOTE]

BTW your argument still fails. A game that touts CUSTOMIZATION of your Character surely should have done a better job.


(Inofor) #52

I see your point about the objectives not being fun to do and partly agree with it. Some of the objectives, such as hacking are just standing around and watching a progress bar while trying to hide from enemies and avoid fire. Perhaps pull out your gun every once in a while to shoot someone and continue. Bot-repairing objectives are kind of the same, with a different progress bar. One solution to this without changing game mechanics would be to get the voip working, it might add something to do while hacking (a bit like the Neotokyo hl2 mod ghost carrier: in short, spotting enemies over voip). It seems to be a point in Brink to have teammates cover you while you concentrate on completing the objective and this is understandable and quite fine for me. There’s nothing like Alien Swarm or Bioshock-style, skill-based objective completion in Brink. It would be interesting to have a puzzle to solve instead of holding F for a set amount of time. Don’t get me wrong: completing an objective is rewarding and playing is fun for me.


(ShadowAurora) #53
  1. i didnt say all, i said alot, its understandable in a way, as COD sells millions, and every kid out there thinks this how all FPS are, then feel let down when they are not. the fact that you want the exact type of achievement glory / stats board included in this game as all the others, shows your some what in that said bracket? they did give you something in the game, objectives, and not just the same one in each mission, but a choice of which one you wanna go for, not just shoot more than die, capture / destroy same 3 points.

  2. Because CoD is so pick up and play friendly its easy to market it to everyone unlike Brink where there’s a slight learning curve. Hell my first game of BlOps at a friends ended in 29-5 before that the last time i played CoD was back in 2007 in CoD4

He is wrong. Saying that one online fps is not repetitive and other IS is just plain stupid. Talking about story line it’s Bethesda’s/SD biggest mistake, they have confused a lot of people. The biggest problem with threads like this is that OTHER people CARE what some COD/BF fans tells 'em they don’t have their own opinion about the game.

  1. I didnt address it being repetitive because every game is repetitive in one way or another but people tend to ignore that when they enjoy what there playing
    I read the OP he wrote a very nice paragraph on how he wasn’t enjoying his purchase and was wondering if anyone has had a similar fate with this game
    His post didn’t scream fan-boy it seems you only keyed into certain words cause the way he presented it

(Shotgun Surgeon) #54

First of all, phoen1x, I would like to thank you for posting in this thread and joining in on the discussion. I also noticed that it says you’re a Junior Member, so I would personally like to welcome you to the Brink forums!

I’m posting this “crap” here, as I said many times before, to get feedback. If I scroll over “Community” at the top, it says “Discussion Forums” so I am led to believe that this forum was meant for discussions.

“Brink repetitive and COD/BF not U Gotta be smoking some unknown stuff.” I acknowledged that COD and BF are also repetitive and I also explicitly stated that CS, one of the most addicting shooters in gaming history, is also very repetitive. I even brought up that many people, including myself, played de_dust 24/7… one map, one objective, for hours, days, weeks, months, years. My point is that the repetition really shines in this game because the objectives and maps are not addicting.

Here is an example: In CS, I can play dust all day and not get bored. There is only one objective… you either plant the bomb at A or B, or you defuse the bomb at A or B. There are 2-3 routes to take to get to each objective in de_dust, compared to the MANY routes you can take in Brink. Brink’s maps are considerably larger, while in de_dust you can lap the entire map many times in less than 5 minutes. However, that one map alone is more addicting than going through all the maps and doing all the objectives in Brink. That’s my point… Brink doesn’t suck you in.

“I bet uare like 16 or smth, so i guess u don’t know what is wolfenstein:enemy territory” I am not 16, actually. I am 22, with a bachelor’s degree in Bio, and am getting interviews for med school. I have a girlfriend of 2 years, and no she is neither fat nor ugly… she’s actually very pretty and sexy. I, myself, like my videogames as much as I love playing sports, working out, reading, and playing guitar. You don’t know me. Please, do not bring my personal life into this because my gaming life is different than my personal life. And actually, I remember playing Hexen as a kid. And also, RTCW MP.

“U are the reason why fps games are trying to be more and more dumbed down…” Surely, I’m not the sole reason why? I have stated before that I don’t like the way FPS games are headed. I wish it was still the days of CS when it was just gun on gun gameplay… no leveling, no unlocks, no perks. But as I said, gamers need to learn to adapt. From time to time, I like playing Battlefield with a team and getting some hardcore team-based gameplay in. Other times, I like to play COD with friends and drink beer and not care whether or not I lose, not care if I kill or die, etc… it’s just to have a good time with buddies.

“people realize fun a BIT different than u.” Of course. Everyone is different. Different strokes for different folks. People enjoy COD more than BF, I happen to enjoy BF more than COD. People love to play Brink 24/7, I can only take it in short bursts.

Again, phoen1x, welcome to the forums and welcome to the discussion!


(Kalbuth) #55

Correction : Brink map doesn’t suck YOU in. You are not me, and some other.
Stating without any backup that CS is good and Brink is bad (because, that is all that you are saying, nothing more, no argument behind) is pretty baseless.
Brink has issues, plenty.

I would really, really appreciate, that people stop trying to dictate me I should dislike this game.
Re-read what you write, this is what you are saying. And when I dare point out that, yes, I enjoyed playing Brink, I’m an automatic fanboy.

People talk only bout “poor map design”. Where, exactly? What is wrong in Shipyard design, exactly?
Chokepoints? That’s got to be a joke, there are at least 4 or 5 ways en route to obj 1, with alternate missions opening/closing routes (ie, it’s not all about concentrating on the obj itself), well … where is the poor map design? It lacks Parkour? Try visit the upper levels…

Every thread is spammed with whines, even when the subject is not about voicing your opinion on the game (look the DLC announcement thread going downhill, they talk from everything but DLC content there), mixing all kind of complaint, valid facts with taste issues altogether, and labelling people having different tastes as fanbois, because they dare like the game, or some of it! Heresy!

Facts :

  • ATI issues
  • Sound issues
  • Server instability
  • fecked up matchmaking on consoles, making it difficult, if not impossible, to have a normal player vs player game that you can find on PC
  • slight balance issues (yes, slight, with big effects) making light / Carb-9 the swiss knife it shouldn’t be
  • lack of control over … controls, with F key making PC bordering to console and bringing issues (like reviving the wrong person, and so on …)
  • not competition ready : no demo recording, no 1st PoV spectating, lack of cvar control, too heavily defense favored for 5on5 or 6on6 comp format

These are fact, hard ones, big ones, important ones. The ones people should whine about.

I keep being seen as fanboi when I point out that :

  • poor map design is a non argument when not backup up
  • lack of TDM is trying to make Brink what it’s not meant to be
  • Masses not following the game isn’t indicative of its quality or interest
    These are taste issues. And if you hate the game for taste issues, then maybe, maybe, the game is simply not made for you.

All COD franchise game, I got them all, I hated them all. You didn’t see me go on a rampage on their forum because I genuinly think their lonewolf gameplay sucks balls, did you?


(Oschino1907) #56

[QUOTE=Kalbuth;326277]Correction : Brink map doesn’t suck YOU in. You are not me, and some other.
Stating without any backup that CS is good and Brink is bad (because, that is all that you are saying, nothing more, no argument behind) is pretty baseless.
Brink has issues, plenty.

I would really, really appreciate, that people stop trying to dictate me I should dislike this game.
Re-read what you write, this is what you are saying. And when I dare point out that, yes, I enjoyed playing Brink, I’m an automatic fanboy.

People talk only bout “poor map design”. Where, exactly? What is wrong in Shipyard design, exactly?
Chokepoints? That’s got to be a joke, there are at least 4 or 5 ways en route to obj 1, with alternate missions opening/closing routes (ie, it’s not all about concentrating on the obj itself), well … where is the poor map design? It lacks Parkour? Try visit the upper levels…

Every thread is spammed with whines, even when the subject is not about voicing your opinion on the game (look the DLC announcement thread going downhill, they talk from everything but DLC content there), mixing all kind of complaint, valid facts with taste issues altogether, and labelling people having different tastes as fanbois, because they dare like the game, or some of it! Heresy!

Facts :

  • ATI issues
  • Sound issues
  • Server instability
  • fecked up matchmaking on consoles, making it difficult, if not impossible, to have a normal player vs player game that you can find on PC
  • slight balance issues (yes, slight, with big effects) making light / Carb-9 the swiss knife it shouldn’t be
  • lack of control over … controls, with F key making PC bordering to console and bringing issues (like reviving the wrong person, and so on …)
  • not competition ready : no demo recording, no 1st PoV spectating, lack of cvar control, too heavily defense favored for 5on5 or 6on6 comp format

These are fact, hard ones, big ones, important ones. The ones people should whine about.

I keep being seen as fanboi when I point out that :

  • poor map design is a non argument when not backup up
  • lack of TDM is trying to make Brink what it’s not meant to be
  • Masses not following the game isn’t indicative of its quality or interest
    These are taste issues. And if you hate the game for taste issues, then maybe, maybe, the game is simply not made for you.

All COD franchise game, I got them all, I hated them all. You didn’t see me go on a rampage on their forum because I genuinly think their lonewolf gameplay sucks balls, did you?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for getting most of what i would have liked to say out there so i didnt have to, lol i am happy there is a good core of people on here who are on the same wave length about this game. Have gotten in to some almost heated arguements with some online friends i have who have been writing me messages bashing the game (they are COD players who rarely try anything else and when they do ALWAYS end up hating it and goin back to COD).
I have learned that with people that fall into this or any other catagory you have stated its best to just drop it and let them go on living in ignorance as its nearly impossible to get them to change their way of thinking.


(Shotgun Surgeon) #57

[QUOTE=Kalbuth;326277]Correction : Brink map doesn’t suck YOU in. You are not me, and some other.

Agreed. I should have stated Brink’s map design doesn’t suck ME in. However, I said “you” because I was referring to others as well that seem to agree with me. But you’re right, I should have said that it doesn’t suck me in.

Stating without any backup that CS is good and Brink is bad (because, that is all that you are saying, nothing more, no argument behind) is pretty baseless.

Well, we all know what CS is I think. I assumed I didn’t have to give examples of what made CS so much better. The game is over 10 years old and yet it is still brought up and praised because it is a legendary game. 10 years from now, will Brink be brought up AND praised by the masses? We shall see. But like I said, I assumed and I apologize.

Brink has issues, plenty.

agreed.

I would really, really appreciate, that people stop trying to dictate me I should dislike this game.
Re-read what you write, this is what you are saying. And when I dare point out that, yes, I enjoyed playing Brink, I’m an automatic fanboy.

I don’t think anyone is trying to force you to dislike this game just like I don’t think anyone is trying to force me to LOVE this game, as I only LIKE it right now.

People talk only bout “poor map design”. Where, exactly? What is wrong in Shipyard design, exactly?
Chokepoints? That’s got to be a joke, there are at least 4 or 5 ways en route to obj 1, with alternate missions opening/closing routes (ie, it’s not all about concentrating on the obj itself), well … where is the poor map design? It lacks Parkour? Try visit the upper levels…

I know nothing about designing maps nor much to know about what EXACTLY is wrong with them. All I know is that TO ME the maps are very bland. It’s just that feeling that you get that something is not right. Again, pure opinion and no facts. However, I should not have to apologize for this because it is my opinion and no one should apologize for having an opinion.

Every thread is spammed with whines, even when the subject is not about voicing your opinion on the game (look the DLC announcement thread going downhill, they talk from everything but DLC content there), mixing all kind of complaint, valid facts with taste issues altogether, and labelling people having different tastes as fanbois, because they dare like the game, or some of it! Heresy!

Yes. Just like I’m automatically labelled as a COD fanboy because I mention that I have fun with COD. I have fun with it, it doesn’t mean I’m a huge fan of it. If I’m a fanboy of anything, It’s Battlefield. No one should be labelled a fanboy because they enjoy something.

Facts :

  • ATI issues
  • Sound issues
  • Server instability
  • fecked up matchmaking on consoles, making it difficult, if not impossible, to have a normal player vs player game that you can find on PC
  • slight balance issues (yes, slight, with big effects) making light / Carb-9 the swiss knife it shouldn’t be
  • lack of control over … controls, with F key making PC bordering to console and bringing issues (like reviving the wrong person, and so on …)
  • not competition ready : no demo recording, no 1st PoV spectating, lack of cvar control, too heavily defense favored for 5on5 or 6on6 comp format

These are fact, hard ones, big ones, important ones. The ones people should whine about.

I keep being seen as fanboi when I point out that :

  • poor map design is a non argument when not backup up
  • lack of TDM is trying to make Brink what it’s not meant to be
  • Masses not following the game isn’t indicative of its quality or interest
    These are taste issues. And if you hate the game for taste issues, then maybe, maybe, the game is simply not made for you.

All COD franchise game, I got them all, I hated them all. You didn’t see me go on a rampage on their forum because I genuinly think their lonewolf gameplay sucks balls, did you?

You don’t, but others do. Again, let’s not make more personal than it already is. People do complain about COD and that’s fine. There isn’t one game out there that people do not complain about. Like I said, everyone is different and have different opinions. Some voice them, others don’t. But in the end that’s all they are – opinions. Just because you have all COD and hate them all, does that make it fact that COD is a terrible game? No, it does not. I have Brink and I don’t think it’s spectacular, so does that mean that it’s NOT a spectacular game? No, it just isn’t to me and that is my opinion. You don’t enjoy COD’s lonewolf gameplay, but I enjoy it because COD is just a game I play for fun and I don’t want to be bothered to try to win or communicate with my team. All opinions
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Kalbuth, you bring up really great points and I agree with pretty much all of them. So far all your posts have been very constructive and you have kept it as non-personal as possible and you’ve been very rational and I appreciate that.


(phoen1x) #58

I’m not bringing in your personal life, i just called u 16 year old kid, that’s all. Why u even created this thread? Constructive criticism? More like u are trying to tell everybody else, that this game is bad. BRINK is BRINK, like previous SD games it’s all about objective and team play (yes sometimes u can do it solo, but it’s hard). U are enjoying lonewolf gameplay in COD, i’m enjoying objective fight in BRINK, but as Kalbuth mentioned i’m not going to cod/bf forums to post my opinion about game. And honestly u shouldn’t compere BRINK to cs or cod/bf. Why? Simple, cs was one of the first online shooters, that is why it’s so popular and cod/bf are franchises that people are going crazy for. People only should whine about performance issues not gameplay, coz BRINK is not yet another COD wannabe shooter and never will be.


(Saint Stunna) #59

Im sorry to destroy your argument, but really man how long has BOPS been out. Yes, forever. It has two, yes two DLC map packs that cost you extra + 40€. The bad thing about those is that you cannot play wager matches since they always empty when dlc maps are loaded, yes, i know, ridiculous.

Also, had you been there when BLOPS was released you would not be so positive about. Game had a ****load of more bugs and game braking issues than BRINK had and they were there for few months! I mean, the game simply could not be played. It’s the most horribly optimized game in human history.

These are all facts, since i happen to own both games from the beginning, as well as BFB2 which too was horrible POS on release. So yeah, i know my ****.