I think I finally understand the low reviews...

(Shotgun Surgeon) #1

WARNING: This post compares Brink to other games like COD, and favors the other games. If this gets your blood boiling, don’t read.

It’s sad to see people on my friends list go from playing Brink to going back to either BC2 or Black Ops. But at the same time, each time I play Brink I get more and more bored of it. I used to LOVE this game and I used to think it was the best game out there! But now I have to force myself to play it sometimes just to justify the money spent for it.

I purchased Black Ops and wow… much better than I remember COD being. It is just a lot more balanced than MW2 (MW2 made me hate and quit Call of Duty). And I’m not one to care much about KDR. All I care about is winning/losing, getting objectives done, and just having a FUN time. What makes me really happy about purchasing Black Ops is that I feel like I got my money’s worth. It’s got CONTENT – an actual campaign, awesome co-op zombies, addictive multiplayer. Now I know why most gamers returned or traded in their copy of Brink and returned to COD or BC2. Going from a content-rich game to the lackluster content of Brink is like moving from a mansion to a cardboard box.

I understand now why reviewers called it “REPETITIVE.” Yes, playing Demolition over and over again in COD:BO is repetitive and playing conquest over and over again in BC2 is repetitive also… but it’s a different kind of repetitive. It’s almost like how people kept playing de_dust 24/7 in CS. I guess the right word I’m looking for is addictive. Brink is not an addicting game. Why? For each map, there are multiple objectives. The problem is that these objectives are not fun to do!

I think there’s more than just loving Brink or hating Brink. If you love Brink, you can either get bored of it over time or fall completely in love with it and spend a long time with it. Like I said, I’m trying to keep myself interested in Brink but it’s hard. I think all I’m doing now is trying to justify $60. I know that some of you out there spent more money for multiple copies (and more power to ya!!) but this game is becoming boring real fast.

(Kalbuth) #2

Just a question : do you play Brink “alone”, or with a bunch of friends, and if with friends, how?

(Shotgun Surgeon) #3

Sometimes I play Brink alone… and when I do that, I find a good match with even teams where everyone is communicating. Sometimes I play with friends (but with no lobby, it’s hard!) and we play as a team.

Yeah, I understand where you’re going with this – am I playing the game right? Yes, I am playing the game right. I do my best to make sure the majority of my games have players that are using teamwork and are communicating. I use teamwork and I communicate also. I am playing this game right… that has nothing to do with it!

(Kalbuth) #4

Dear, I’m not there to patronize or educate anyone, I’m just trying to understand how people end up at the opposite direction of mine.
With the same group of friend, I’ve already had better moments, adrenalin rushed etc… in Brink than I’ve had playing BC2 with them (and I love BC2 too!)
It’s a complete different beast to me, in how we apprehend it as a group, how we do far more planification for objectives, instead of “just” rushing a zone and sitting there, or approaching a point, and sitting there.
Cross fire setup, syncing Adre Rush when situation goes so bad it’s needed, etc…
BC2 is for me more of a “self” enjoyement. It’s not worst, it’s different

(Shotgun Surgeon) #5

[QUOTE=Kalbuth;325088]Dear, I’m not there to patronize or educate anyone, I’m just trying to understand how people end up at the opposite direction of mine.
With the same group of friend, I’ve already had better moments, adrenalin rushed etc… in Brink than I’ve had playing BC2 with them (and I love BC2 too!)
It’s a complete different beast to me, in how we apprehend it as a group, how we do far more planification for objectives, instead of “just” rushing a zone and sitting there, or approaching a point, and sitting there.
Cross fire setup, syncing Adre Rush when situation goes so bad it’s needed, etc…
BC2 is for me more of a “self” enjoyement. It’s not worst, it’s different[/QUOTE]

To each his own, then. I’ve had more fun in BC2 both alone and with friends. Once I got used to Brink, it wasn’t exciting anymore.

(StillBatusBrad) #6

Another one? Facepalm

SD stuck to their vision of a different approach, and were upfront about it. Brink was BUILT to differ from other FPS IP’s and the constant comparison is both nugatory and mildly irritating at this point, however well-phrased.

(Shotgun Surgeon) #7

[QUOTE=StillBatusBrad;325090]Another one? Facepalm

SD stuck to their vision of a different approach, and were upfront about it. Brink was BUILT to differ from other FPS IP’s and the constant comparison is both nugatory and mildly irritating at this point.[/QUOTE]

Yes I know they made it different. I used to defend this game and that’s exactly what I told everyone… that this game was MEANT to be different. That’s not my point at all. I’m saying that this game just isn’t addicting and it gets boring fast for a lot of people!

Unless what you really mean by “Brink was built to differ” is that it was built to be boring over time?

(StillBatusBrad) #8

[QUOTE=Shotgun Surgeon;325093]Yes I know they made it different. I used to defend this game and that’s exactly what I told everyone… that this game was MEANT to be different. That’s not my point at all. I’m saying that this game just isn’t addicting and it gets boring fast for a lot of people!

Unless what you really mean by “Brink was built to differ” is that it was built to be boring over time?[/QUOTE]

Fair point, well made. I firmly believe that new, more balanced maps and more team-based modes will be required to keep the servers and boards humming until Brink 2 rocks up - this I freely concede. The constant references to BC2 and BLOPS, and the implication that Brink must imitate and not innovate, though, I find irritating. My apologies if I have misconstrued the intention of the OP.

(trigg3r) #9

stopped reading…

(Sinner) #10

I thought the low reviews were from console sites.

Anyway, TF2 launched with 6 maps and 3(?) game types. Just sayin’.

(StillBatusBrad) #11

PC gamers will get the better deal, long term.

The inevitable SDK/level-thingy will soon produce a flood of mods and player-made maps that will give Brink the longevity it needs…

Us poor console types won’t fare so well, I fear - we’ll need SD to provide additional content…and I’m sure they’ll be moving on to other things all too soon.:frowning:

(Sleazebaggins) #12

I think you make some valid points, Shotgun. I don’t see how anyone can really argue that both Bad Company 2 and CoD:BlOps have more content. The issue that arises is the quality of that content and unfortunately for message boards everywhere, that’s a matter of opinion.

I, for example, played through the single-player campaigns of both CoD:BlOps and BC2, and, while I didn’t hate them–I wouldn’t have finished them otherwise–I did end up feeling like I had wasted my time. I’ve never really enjoyed zombie mode–I feel like Left 4 Dead does that so much better and I’ve got that. BC 2 added a horde-mode or whatever, but it was ridiculously priced DLC, so I skipped that. Then it’s just competitive multiplayer. Both of those games have more maps than Brink, and CoD certainly has a lot more modes, but if I don’t like the gameplay very much, then that doesn’t matter to me.

I’d rather play 100 objective-based Brink matches than 10 rounds of anything in CoD:BlOps or BC2. And I won’t argue that Brink’s version of singleplayer really counts as such, but I don’t mind, much the same way I never minded BioShock or Batman: Arkham Asylum not having multiplayer. I admire a developer these days that can focus on one mode and do it well. I think Brink–some serious technical issues aside–is one of the best multiplayer experiences out there right now.

But all of that’s just my opinion and unfortunately it sounds like you wanted to feel the same way, but you just don’t. Games are expensive and it sucks to find out something you were really expecting to like isn’t as much fun as you thought it’d be. I hope you have more fun, whatever game you’re playing.

And maybe give Brink another shot in a few weeks? I feel like people are getting a better understanding of the maps and the classes and the mechanics and working together like a team. I know my personal play, and my play experiences, have been improving pretty steadily this week. Just because reviewers give their opinion at a snapshot in time, doesn’t mean yours needs to stay static.

(Nefarious) #13

COD sucks. Everyone uses a Silencer. Real cool getting into firefights and just hearing ‘pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft’ Lame. And I love thouse Pre-battle grenade throws in the begining of each match.

Brink kinda sucks because the level layouts suck. And the fact where it says “game type” there is nothing really to choose other then the same thing.

BFBC2 is the best shooter ever. Its dynamic, and exciting. Even if you are losing there are still these awesome exspolsions with thumping sound and all this cool stuff going on. Unlike in Brink if you are losing its because the match has turned into a game of ‘Smash Ass’ where you are just forced to run at the enemy in hopes to put some kind of dent in there defense of turrets and land mines and thumb tacks piled up a mountian high.

(Kalbuth) #14

Seen plenty of spawnrapes in BC2 all the same, tbh, in pub play.

Let’s not play the “my game is better than yours”

(Sanch3z) #15

yet another Brink to COD comparison… just because COD has 8 gazillion kids playing it doesnt mean it is the standard for gaming… gah, I am so sick of seeing everything compared to COD.

I give you credit for not being a douche about it though… Steam forums, cough. You want more content, well you will get it in the free DLC coming out.

(legend123) #16

somewhat interesting post.

just a few things…

You stated:
“But now I have to force myself to play it sometimes just to justify the money spent for it.”

Sadly me too to SOME extent. Other factors I play when Im bored and there is still some aspects of fun within the game. Given time I think the game could improve. But how much time? Unfortunately not alot of people have infinite patience. I dont buy a lot of games to be truthful. I still havent read a single review (and it would never influence me in any way).

You also said
"Now I know why most gamers returned or traded in their copy of Brink and returned to COD or BC2. "

I highly doubt most gamers did that. This includes players who hated it and those players somewhere in between too.

tl;dr With Pc there is room for improvement but it needs to be done fairly quick for the game to “improve”
For consoles I feel the pain for some of you (but that is one reason I dont buy fps games for console).

(crazyfoolish) #17

[QUOTE=Shotgun Surgeon;325071]WARNING: This post compares Brink to other games like COD, and favors the other games. If this gets your blood boiling, don’t read.

It’s sad to see people on my friends list go from playing Brink to going back to either BC2 or Black Ops. But at the same time, each time I play Brink I get more and more bored of it. I used to LOVE this game and I used to think it was the best game out there! But now I have to force myself to play it sometimes just to justify the money spent for it.

I purchased Black Ops and wow… much better than I remember COD being. It is just a lot more balanced than MW2 (MW2 made me hate and quit Call of Duty). And I’m not one to care much about KDR. All I care about is winning/losing, getting objectives done, and just having a FUN time. What makes me really happy about purchasing Black Ops is that I feel like I got my money’s worth. It’s got CONTENT – an actual campaign, awesome co-op zombies, addictive multiplayer. Now I know why most gamers returned or traded in their copy of Brink and returned to COD or BC2. Going from a content-rich game to the lackluster content of Brink is like moving from a mansion to a cardboard box.

I understand now why reviewers called it “REPETITIVE.” Yes, playing Demolition over and over again in COD:BO is repetitive and playing conquest over and over again in BC2 is repetitive also… but it’s a different kind of repetitive. It’s almost like how people kept playing de_dust 24/7 in CS. I guess the right word I’m looking for is addictive. Brink is not an addicting game. Why? For each map, there are multiple objectives. The problem is that these objectives are not fun to do!

I think there’s more than just loving Brink or hating Brink. If you love Brink, you can either get bored of it over time or fall completely in love with it and spend a long time with it. Like I said, I’m trying to keep myself interested in Brink but it’s hard. I think all I’m doing now is trying to justify $60. I know that some of you out there spent more money for multiple copies (and more power to ya!!) but this game is becoming boring real fast.[/QUOTE]

Why dd you post this? Do you post this for every game that that you play and do not enjoy? What is your point exactly?

(trigg3r) #18

[QUOTE=Sinner;325106]I thought the low reviews were from console sites.

Anyway, TF2 launched with 6 maps and 3(?) game types. Just sayin’.[/QUOTE]

exactly.
Like i said before, i’m fine with the number of maps currently in Brink, as long as they keep releasing more like they’ll do in the next DLC.

(Jess Alon) #19

When I play Brink by myself with bots. I get bored and quit.

When I play big teams when everyone is a human and everyone on my team is in my party with a mic and a headset I could play for 10 hours straight.

That’s the animal Brink is.

When I play a game like CoD with the bots (single player) I enjoy it somewhat.

When I play online with other people I want to throw my controller through a window. But before that I end up muting everyone because I get sick of listening to them talk about how awesome they are.

BF is a mixed bag for me.

But overall for teamplay with communication and REAL strategy I go to Brink.

And that’s all. But I could see how that’s not in someone else’s wheelhouse. And I respect your opinion if you’re not that into brink.

(SockDog) #20

The point is very simple. Brink was meant to accessible and enjoyed by the mainstream fps crowd, in that it doesn’t seem to have been as successful as it would have been hoped. We shouldn’t be focusing on what games others enjoy instead of Brink but whatBrink should have done to make them stay and play Brink.

As I’ve said to much derision before. Something as simple as including other more familiar modes would have maybe kept these people paying Brink and happily so while also giving them the opportunity to dip a toe in OBJ mode for months and years to come. Better than them trading in the game, talking **** and playing something else.