I really like Phantom. I mean really, really!

(D'@athi) #1

Engineer left alone while repairing the objective? Blind people going solo, trying to frag around, instead of sticking with the team doing the ubjhektive? In general people giving shit about the game, not using sound, not moving, not looking around, etc? D-E-A-D

I really like him. He is the perfect punishment for blind tdm-players. And i really hope he will help sorting them out, preferable with a nice ragequit and uninstalling the game afterwards.

Yes Phantom might be a bit to strong here and there, but overall he imo is not really op.
I would compare him to mines. First mines were fun to use, easily getting tripplekills, quadkills, etc. Now people learned to watch out for them, and you need to know where to place them, to get at least some frags. Ok, minus the beginners who will learn and the always blind people, who will never (“Don’t stand in fire…”).
Same thing is already happening to him. Have some better players in your team, playing the game with open eyes and ears, and he is not a op killer anymore.

So plx, can we just stop this silly “he is the end of db”-threads? Thx.

(Eox) #2

I saw huge waves of people with pitchforks and torches complaing against him. Probably for a reason. I bought him to make my opinion. So far, I can’t say that he’s overpowered (pexially since I suck with him), but I feel like it’s way too easy to get a big score with him.

The huge mass of mad people asking for a nerf may overreact a lot, but he needs some tweaks for sure. I’ll make a detailled feedback when I’ll finish my testing. It may take two days though.

(Shaker) #3

The tweaks needed are a melee fix and increasing the shield CD.

Melee has always been a problem. Rushing a group of enemies with your cricket bat as a Proxy will let you do 2-3 kills before getting shut down. You can even 1v1 a Fragger with a Stiletto.

The only slightly OP bit I can see now is that the shield is too spammy. A 6 seconds CD is not enough, it should be increased to at least 10 imo. It would punish you for getting too tanky but wouldn’t affect your ability to be a sneaky spooky ghost.

He’s definitely not OP though, Skyhammer and Fragger can easily win the 1v1 against him when he gets spotted.

(Eox) #4

[quote=“Shaker;41402”]The tweaks needed are a melee fix and increasing the shield CD.

Melee has always been a problem. Rushing a group of enemies with your cricket bat as a Proxy will let you do 2-3 kills before getting shut down. You can even 1v1 a Fragger with a Stiletto.

The only slightly OP bit I can see now is that the shield is too spammy. A 6 seconds CD is not enough, it should be increased to at least 10 imo. It would punish you for getting too tanky but wouldn’t affect your ability to be a sneaky spooky ghost.

He’s definitely not OP though, Skyhammer and Fragger can easily win the 1v1 against him when he gets spotted.[/quote]

I so far suggested in another thread to make his health go down to 110 hp (makes sense, because he’s as fast as Sawbonez) and harshly increase his CD from 6 seconds to 12 seconds. Some more tweaking ideas may follow.

Melee also kinda acts in a wierd way. From what I tested with the darn katana, I can miss my melee attack at first strike without problem, because I only need to turn to hit the guy ! It seems that there’s a sort of almost one second period where you can hit everything in front of you as long as you are looking at it. If I miss the target at first, but quickly enough turn towards my target, I hit her, and it feels cheap as hell when you use such a ranged and powerful melee weapon like the Katana.

(discordantCar) #5

i played him yesterday for 6h of gameplay… its absolute the MOST FUN character for me in the game… by far !

to add, i only played meele with him

i got like 20-25 Tripllekills
around 10 Aces
and 3times more than 20kills without deaths

sounds OP? no because i killed other Phantoms too…
and in some games i got rekkt liek crazy… 3-15 6-22 and some games 47-20 its only what ur enemy can see/do against u…

its not that hard when u know what a stealth phantom look like… and after 3-4 games u know when someone is rushing behind ur lines , and its easy to take them out…

i need 2-3 hits for everyone thats not Proxy/sparks/vasillie

after the first hit, i got shot so many times why pumpguns sintandly in te face
so play let him be like he is… hes doing awesome in Pub games, cuz ppl dont know him for know, but ull see in some weeks it will be easy for everyone to see him in invis

i crafted 2 cobalt / and 3 Golden Loadouts, and all was shit with a knife loadout-.- Katana is best ( big swing area(hitbox), and great dmg)

(DMaster2) #6

Here’s the counter argument.

  • People are now more afraid to go to the objective, because before you had to dodge bullets, now you also have to dodge a phantom that camper on the c4/near the vehicle.
  • Vassili players like me can no longer throw sensors near the objective to help the team awareness. Now i either throw it near my place or i get gangraped without fail.
  • Phantom themselves do nothing to help with the team’s objective. They just wander the map looking for poor guys that don’t notice them (or don’t have a sensor like i have as Vassili) and kill them. This game isn’t TDM correct?

Worst thing is that even if you notice him you usually still lose the fight, because he has twice your health and two very good smg.

(Yes) #7

Phantom is amazing. He’s fun to play as and fun to play against. All the people raging made me worry, but as expected, it was just people crying because they’d rather have something removed than actually learn to beat it.

(DMaster2) #8

Wrong. As a sniper i know how to play against him. That change something? Yes, as a Vassili i’m no longer useful for my team, except for the headshot here and there. Now i need first and foremost to look for myself, so constantly checking my sorroundings instead of helping pluck heads so my teammates don’t die and scouting areas from afar. And i can’t throw the sensor to help my team, i have to keep it for myself. What a shitty way to play the game (for me at least).

(GeNKi) #9

I used to do a lot of solo flanking attempts with Proxy. Just to get to their base, place the objective and even if it not becomes the final plant, at least I did some chaos in enemy lines.

Problem is that:

  1. Flanking is not that effective as in BF’s Rush, where squad mates spawn on you.
  2. Yesterday I got killed numerous times while doing this by new threat: Phantom

I guess my happy flanking times are over… Or at least I need to be much more careful when inside enemy lines from now on :slight_smile:

(Yes) #10

Wrong. As a sniper i know how to play against him. That change something? Yes, as a Vassili i’m no longer useful for my team, except for the headshot here and there. Now i need first and foremost to look for myself, so constantly checking my sorroundings instead of helping pluck heads so my teammates don’t die and scouting areas from afar. And i can’t throw the sensor to help my team, i have to keep it for myself. What a shitty way to play the game (for me at least).[/quote]
I don’t play sniper, so I don’t know how bad he is against Phantom, but is it really so awful to have just one merc that he struggles against? Prior to Phantom, Vassili was completely fine against all other mercs and was even extremely strong against some.

(Looms) #11
  • damage reduction and invisibility on a low cooldown
  • 120 HP
  • able to 1shot <100 HP mercs
  • 2 good PDWs

OP in its current state.

(discordantCar) #12

i got insta headshotted while in stealth liek crazy from 2 or 3 vaslies in taht 6h of gameplay…

u only have to wathc out !

(litheJacket) #13

if everybody have 2183947183924 hours game time like you we can say if they are blind they deserve punishment. but not everybody have to be good player, somebody likes listening music when playing, somebody’s first fps game, somebody is bad player and somebody = %90 of pubs.

(DMaster2) #14

Wrong. As a sniper i know how to play against him. That change something? Yes, as a Vassili i’m no longer useful for my team, except for the headshot here and there. Now i need first and foremost to look for myself, so constantly checking my sorroundings instead of helping pluck heads so my teammates don’t die and scouting areas from afar. And i can’t throw the sensor to help my team, i have to keep it for myself. What a shitty way to play the game (for me at least).[/quote]
I don’t play sniper, so I don’t know how bad he is against Phantom, but is it really so awful to have just one merc that he struggles against? Prior to Phantom, Vassili was completely fine against all other mercs and was even extremely strong against some.
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Playing as Vassili is not as easy as some people think. I went with a lot of awful scores before learning how to play him. That said, Vassili had it’s problems before because of counter sniping (other Vassili and skillful Sparks). That is fine, while i have to keep an eye for the position of oppo snipers i can still be useful for my team with the sensor near the objective and such. Now those days are gone, you either help the team but get stabbed every minute or you ignore your team so you can actually attempt (because even without the shield it’s not that easy to kill a Phantom that rush at you) to stay alive.

(discordantCar) #15

@ cannyEdition

so the u want a safe Spot where no one is able to get u except of other players at range? , what about proxy thats flanking you? u hear her same like phantom, and when u only hardscoop for like 1minute without watching around , its ur fault to get stabbed once a minute

-got quickscooped+minigunned like crazy from vasillies

1shot+weap change to minigun and instandly death, i cant even react to change weapon to smg, yea , this was my fault cuz im running only with meele around

(DMaster2) #16

[quote=“discordantCar;41464”]@ cannyEdition

so the u want a safe Spot where no one is able to get u except of other players at range? , what about proxy thats flanking you? u hear her same like phantom, and when u only hardscoop for like 1minute without watching around , its ur fault to get stabbed once a minute[/quote]
How to read a comment, not understanding it then make a salty and stupid reply.
No, i don’t want a safe spot. I don’t even stay on the same spot for long enough anyway, that is what any decent Vassili should do in the first place.
Are you actually trying to compare an Aura or Proxy rushing at you with Phantom? The first are easy enough to spot because I DON’T HAVE MY SIGHT CONSTANTLY ON THE SCOPE. I check my sorrounding a lot to ensure the sneak attacks are kept to the bare minimum. Phantom is a whole different matter, since you usually don’t see him coming.

If i have Aura and Proxy that try to come my way, i still throw the sensor to help my team because i can defend myself against them. If the same happen with Phantom, to defend myself i have to keep the motion sensor for myself and the team lose a huge asset.

P.S.: If you “hardscope” for 1 whole minute you don’t know how to play the game dude. You never scope for more than 25-30 seconds unless you have someone in your team that cover your back.

(D'@athi) #17

Or you simply go with the team, and tadaaa. Yes you die more than having camped somewhere in the back, like before Phantom, but who cares. Ah… you.
But ok, I probably play Vasili the wrong way, even use my mp for offensive.

If someone is bad and does not (want to) learn… wrong game.
If somebody plays with music instead of gamesound… wrong game.
Still no reason to balance a merc around these people, or soon we will have new mercs called “Tinky-Winky”, “Dipsy”, “Laa-Laa” and “Po”. I guess those are known to most of the OPOPOPOPOP-cryers.

(DMaster2) #18

[quote=“D’@athi;41468”]Or you simply go with the team, and tadaaa. Yes you die more than having camped somewhere in the back, like before Phantom, but who cares. Ah… you.
But ok, I probably play Vasili the wrong way, even use my mp for offensive.
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Don’t tell me you pick Vassili and charge the enemy…
That is not how he’s supposed to be played.

(D'@athi) #19

If my engineer or medic needs help, and the enemy is to near for the rifle, why not? It a quite powerful dingdingding weapon on low-med range.

(avidCow) #20

[quote=“cannyEdition;41466”]
…to defend myself i have to keep the motion sensor for myself and the team lose a huge asset.[/quote]

I started following the team closely because the other side had two Phantom players. Even then the range of the sensor is limited and its proximity to the action makes it difficult to hide and is prone to getting blown up. It’s not a hard counter.