Just like Brink for the consoles. The matchmaking is garbage, no party system= epic fail, no clan support, and some classes, abilities and weapons being completely useless with no response to our feedback about the issues.
How to turn Brink's epic fail into Brink's epic WIN !
Got2ball
(Got2ball)
#22
[QUOTE=FireWorks;349267]Sorry guys but this goes in the wrong direction. Customers should be protected and not the sellers/producer/etc. When buying a product, you can expect it to work properly if not explicitly labeled otherwise. Offering effectivly Beta software for a fully finished game is fraud and that the gaming industry can get through with it, is even worse.
As much as I love brink, I really hate these beta pushing **** nowadays.[/QUOTE]
Look at this^ sums up how I feel about what you just said.
Seriously I have been saying this on threads all over for the last couple years and no one listens. The gaming industry has started this bs trend where they push products out unfinished or polished to cash in leaving us consumers to take it from behind loosing hard earned money. What happened to publishers and devs taking pride in there product and making sure that they were satisfied and putting out w quality before shipping it out to us?
This trend is all too apparent in the gaming world today and everyone just keeps passing it off as oh the game wasnt that bad or I don’t care I dont play that ect but it effects us all because the trend is beginning to spread to more and more companies and we need to stand up and let them know this is bs. MAG,DC Universe Online, Brink are just a few of a handful of games recently that have done this.
Terminator514
(Terminator514)
#23
[QUOTE=asmo;349196]Idea just came to my mind !
So, after catastrophic release of the Brink game, many peoples are disappointed, many peoples bought the game just to play few times and say “what the… what happened with all the devs promises about great game!!!”. negative reviews, etc. etc… ok let’s get to the point:
Now Splash Damage should work hard on some great multiplayer title with ALL these features that community wants, listen to voices on the forum and make something epic like W:ET but better and most important…
FREE !!!
why ? because peoples who like Brink are in minority over peoples who bought this game and feel tricked (like i feel).
And since we already paid for the game that is unplayable, it would be sensible to make next game free. Many would say something like “wow, SD really care about their fans, and after they disappointed them, now returning in great style”…
that’s one of best ideas i could think of !!!
and what do you think ?[/QUOTE]
That’s one of the most nonsensical things I’ve ever heard, especially from a business perspective. I can see giving a DLC away for free, but an entire game? Highly unlikely, considering that the people who work for Splash Damage have families/themselves to support and giving a game that they worked hard on for months away for free would make absolutely no sense.
Many people in the community like the game, it shrunk largely because of lag issues during the first few days after release. The best strategy for Splash Damage to adopt now, is continuing to work on updates and content for a game they just released only TWO months ago. What else can they do? They can drop the price of the game, which has already happened at major retailers (ex. Gamestop, Steam). This price drop will encourage more people to take a chance on a new IP.
Lets worry about fixing the game we all paid for before trying to build a game YOU hoped for. Whether continued support through updates/content, will be enough to keep this game chugging is yet to be seen. However, none of us know what the future holds.
Ultima
(Ultima)
#25
[QUOTE=asmo;349338]
Finally the reviews came, i still remember thread on this forum where SD staff post a thread where they list POSITIVE reviews, no negative reviews was listed, like they didn’t wanted the truth to came up earlier.[/QUOTE]
I understand where you’re coming from about being honest with your customers and all, but would YOU post negative reviews on your forum. That’s like working hard on a test and then saying ‘Hey, look at this F I got’. You generally want to spread the positive and not the negative, and yes, it is a technique to get more people to buy the game. It’s not technically lying, that would be the case if they reviews were fake or dishonest, it was just marketing using resources that were there that boded well and would make more people want to buy as opposed to using ones that were negative and might drive people away. You can’t say that no other company does this, not that you have, and yes, it is a little bit deceiving, but that’s business. It’s not as if they were saying ‘All reviews for this game are positive’ or ‘These are all the reviews and everyone agrees and thinks highly and positively of it’. They were just showing off the positive and not the negative because that’s what sells more. It’s not lying, it’s marketing, it’s not trickery, it’s business. Like it or not, that’s how the world is.
HiGHJaCK
(HiGHJaCK)
#26
So why stay this people? Is it fun for this people asking for Teamdeathmatch or Deathmatch options in a team-oriented game. Why stay this people? Why do this people want to make a COD clone instead of playing COD? Why do this people play this game without any idea of teamplay?
Why do they stay? I am ok with 200 peaks if this people like the game and play it the way it is meant to be played.
I am ok when this people stop whining and move on to the next game.
NIDCLXVI
#27
[QUOTE=asmo;349196]Idea just came to my mind !
So, after catastrophic release of the Brink game, many peoples are disappointed, many peoples bought the game just to play few times and say “what the… what happened with all the devs promises about great game!!!”. negative reviews, etc. etc… ok let’s get to the point:
Now Splash Damage should work hard on some great multiplayer title with ALL these features that community wants, listen to voices on the forum and make something epic like W:ET but better and most important…
FREE !!!
why ? because peoples who like Brink are in minority over peoples who bought this game and feel tricked (like i feel).
And since we already paid for the game that is unplayable, it would be sensible to make next game free. Many would say something like “wow, SD really care about their fans, and after they disappointed them, now returning in great style”…
that’s one of best ideas i could think of !!!
and what do you think ?[/QUOTE]
Lol, I love working for free, why work for hundreds of pounds per hour when I can work for free! Awesome! How about whatever you do for a living, you do for 2 years for free and get back to me. 
:stroggbanana:
HandOfGod
(HandOfGod)
#29
[QUOTE=Bittermetal;349246]You think they should spend millions to make a free game for those of you who don’t like the current BRINK? Sounds to me like you all need to go to a friends house and watch some gameplay before you open your pocket books. Its still a business and they are not an indie developer. They are under the mighty Zenimax. Doubtful they’re gonna let SD just tool away at a game that will bring in zero money. This is for the very reason you’ve already given. The game didn’t do well or as well as hoped. So why spend money, which wasn’t made on BRINK 1, to make a free game. Throwing good money after bad.
Come on people. You bought a game. You don’t like. Shame on you. Not them. Be more careful what you spend your money on. It not like you expected BRINK and got Pokemon.
“Free because I don’t like what I spent my money on.” Pfft that’s some funny ****e right there.[/QUOTE]
REALLY? Shame on all of the people that bought a game that was unplayable? REALLY? Shame on you my friend, shame on YOU! People like you are the reason this ship crap and patch later process is still in practice after 16 years of it becoming a standard for the industry.
THEY(SD) should be ashamed of themselves for the fraud they commited. This game was supposedly DONE for 2 years and was simply being tweaked. There is no way in hell that the people at Sd DIDNT knoiw that they were shipping a product in such poor state and now we have to listen to fanboys defend the travisty that has went down here. I am sorry to tell you but the people that got RIPPED out of $60 are NOT the people that perpetrated this act of fraud and yes thats is exactly what it was, FRAUD. 16 videos of this game for DL on 360 before it came out, more videos than I have seen for any other game. They hyped the hell out of it because they knew the games playability was ass at launch and wanted mass sales to start because after the initial buys they would not sell many more. They knew this. If they didnt, they are total dumb asses and should not make games anyways.
You fanboys, that defend this kind of crap, your pathetic.
You say that SD should make millions from selling a game that is still in VERY poor shape nearly 2 months after shipping and people should not complain about it… That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You should go work for SD, you would fit right in. You already have a thieves mentality and you can probably justify anything through smoke and mirrors. SD will deservedly lose many potential customers, for future titles, over this. Your crappy business practices will not be tolerated, by the masses, and you will have consequences and repercussions for your VERY poor choice to release BRINK in such a poor state. That is how it should be. The masses are the ones you better listen to. Not these FANBOYS here, that are the minority. They cannot support your company on their meager numbers.
I also believe we need something more than your tiny DLC to make up for your poor choices on this title. You need to restore peoples faith in your company and releasing 2 “free” maps, thats really all it is as the rest is fluff, isnt going to cut it. The 2 “free” maps arent free either. I paid for them when I spent $60 for a BETA. As far as I am concerned, they need ALL DLC’s to be free for this game. OR, give people that still have the game, that are upset about buying a BETA, a FULL refund of their purchase price. Its the only fair thing to do. $60 is alot of money in this economy and you robbed alot of folks out of their $60, knowingly. Keep in mind, if the game had not have been released as a BETA, you guys would not be having all of this negativity. People would be playing and enjoying a working title.
zenstar
(zenstar)
#30
[QUOTE=HandOfGod;349610]REALLY? Shame on all of the people …
…
…anything through smoke and mirrors.[/QUOTE]
Chill out dude. You’re putting words into peoples mouths and making assumptions.
I’m sorry you spent money on something you didn’t like. A fair number of people here DO like it.
Demanding a free game is kind of unreasonable. Imagine going to the cinema and seeing a movie that was dissapointing. You don’t demand your money back. Just make more informed decisions next time you go to see a movie.
Whatever the case: don’t start raging, swearing, and offending people. That just makes you look like a fool. Keep calm and argue your points properly and you come across far more authoritative.
wolfnemesis75
(wolfnemesis75)
#31
[QUOTE=HandOfGod;349610]REALLY? Shame on all of the people that bought a game that was unplayable? REALLY? Shame on you my friend, shame on YOU! People like you are the reason this ship crap and patch later process is still in practice after 16 years of it becoming a standard for the industry.
THEY(SD) should be ashamed of themselves for the fraud they commited. This game was supposedly DONE for 2 years and was simply being tweaked. There is no way in hell that the people at Sd DIDNT knoiw that they were shipping a product in such poor state and now we have to listen to fanboys defend the travisty that has went down here. I am sorry to tell you but the people that got RIPPED out of $60 are NOT the people that perpetrated this act of fraud and yes thats is exactly what it was, FRAUD. 16 videos of this game for DL on 360 before it came out, more videos than I have seen for any other game. They hyped the hell out of it cause they knew the games playability was ass at launch and wanted mass sales to start because after the initial buys they would not sell many more. They knew this. If they didnt, they are total dumb asses and should not make games anyways.
You fanboys, that defend this kind of crap, your pathetic.
You say that SD should make millions from selling a game that is still in VERY poor shape nearly 2 months after shipping and people should not complain about it… Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You should go work for SD, you would fit right in. You already have a thieves mentality and you can probably justify anything through smoke and mirrors.[/QUOTE]
A Fanboy calling someone else out for being a Fanboy. Seems to be a prevalent theme on this forum.
Apparently, some never heard the saying: Its like the Pot calling the Kettle Black.
Oh yeah, if you don’t like the game, why you here, bro?
HandOfGod
(HandOfGod)
#33
If I was a carpenter, an electrician, a mechanic, a plumber or any other “skilled labor” and I did a job that was very poor and the something failed, when I was supposed to be done with the work, guess what, I WOULD BE working for free to fix the problems and restore my customers faith in me. I would even do another job at a major discount to restore their faith in me. Its standard business practice in any other profession. Where is your logic now? You people are obviousely not working in a skilled profession or you would know better than to even make a stupid comment like that.
Also, I would expect them to me upset with me, if I did a poor job,and I certainly would not berate them for being unhappy with my finished product. They are the people that pay me so, I better listen to them.
HandOfGod
(HandOfGod)
#34
[QUOTE=zenstar;349620]Chill out dude. You’re putting words into peoples mouths and making assumptions.
I’m sorry you spent money on something you didn’t like. A fair number of people here DO like it.
Demanding a free game is kind of unreasonable. Imagine going to the cinema and seeing a movie that was dissapointing. You don’t demand your money back. Just make more informed decisions next time you go to see a movie.
Whatever the case: don’t start raging, swearing, and offending people. That just makes you look like a fool. Keep calm and argue your points properly and you come across far more authoritative.[/QUOTE]
I am not putting words in any ones mouth. I have as much right to make my statement as he had to make his so dont come at me. I didnt demand a free game either so dont put words in my mouth. I said 2 maps wasn’t going to cut it. Practice what you preach.
As far as raging and looking like a fool, people that make statements such as the one that I commenterd on, are the fools here. Fanboys that defend poor practices, simply because they are fanboys, are the fools and those that defend the fanboys are fools as well. Im tired of seeing people that post valid complaints be attacked by the fanboys. These people have every right to state their opinions without being attacked.
HandOfGod
(HandOfGod)
#35
[QUOTE=wolfnemesis75;349622]A Fanboy calling someone else out for being a Fanboy. Seems to be a prevalent theme on this forum.
Apparently, some never heard the saying: Its like the Pot calling the Kettle Black.
Oh yeah, if you don’t like the game, why you here, bro?[/QUOTE]
I know, its funny that you, a fanboy, are going to try to call me one. I simply dont fit the bill. I would have to be leg riding and defending every aspect of BRINK like you all do. Your ignorance is showing.
I didnt say I dont like the game so dont put words in my mouth. I am here because I have the right to be. Why are you here fanboy?
Kalbuth
(Kalbuth)
#36
[QUOTE=HandOfGod;349632]If I was a carpenter, an electrician, a mechanic, a plumber or any other “skilled labor” and I did a job that was very poor and the something failed, when I was supposed to be done with the work, guess what, I WOULD BE working for free to fix the problems and restore my customers faith in me. I would even do another job at a major discount to restore their faith in me. Its standard business practice in any other profession. Where is your logic now? You people are obviousely not working in a skilled profession or you would know better than to even make a stupid comment like that.
Also, I would expect them to me upset with me, if I did a poor job,and I certainly would not berate them for being unhappy with my finished product. They are the people that pay me so, I better listen to them.[/QUOTE]
If I’m not mistaken, they are working via patches too correct the issue, and we are not charged for patches. Ie : they are working for free to fix the game.
I’m really sorry, but you do not, simply do not, run a company of 50+ people by giving free stuff you just ended designing and producing. The free2play market is either :
- old brand which have run their life, have made their ROI, and can no be pumped onto via f2p and in-game little sells
- games built from the get go for Free2play, where you have limited content in the free version, and you have paid content for additional capabilities amking paying customers better than free users
Brink is neither of these options
FireWorks
(FireWorks)
#37
[QUOTE=zenstar;349620]Chill out dude. You’re putting words into peoples mouths and making assumptions.
I’m sorry you spent money on something you didn’t like. A fair number of people here DO like it.
Demanding a free game is kind of unreasonable. Imagine going to the cinema and seeing a movie that was dissapointing. You don’t demand your money back. Just make more informed decisions next time you go to see a movie.
Whatever the case: don’t start raging, swearing, and offending people. That just makes you look like a fool. Keep calm and argue your points properly and you come across far more authoritative.[/QUOTE]
Great analogy! Actually when I was to the cinema and the sound dropped a couple times I did demand my money back. And guess what, they apologized that the viewing didnt meet their own standards and gave me my money back plus a 5euro food coupon.
And yes I like Brink but still its a fraud when costumers get misused as beta testers while the QA is releasing a technically broken game.
wolfnemesis75
(wolfnemesis75)
#38
[QUOTE=HandOfGod;349634]I know, its funny that you, a fanboy, are going to try to call me one. I simply dont fit the bill. I would have to be leg riding and defending every aspect of BRINK like you all do. Your ignorance is showing.
I didnt say I dont like the game so dont put words in my mouth. I am here because I have the right to be. Why are you here fanboy?[/QUOTE]
Like I said before. Don’t call people out for being a fanboy when you are a fanboy. Just not cool.
zenstar
(zenstar)
#39
[QUOTE=HandOfGod;349633]I am not putting words in any ones mouth. I have as much right to make my statement as he had to make his so dont come at me. I didnt demand a free game either so dont put words in my mouth. I said 2 maps wasn’t going to cut it. Practice what you preach.
As far as raging and looking like a fool, people that make statements such as the one that I commenterd on, are the fools here. Fanboys that defend poor practices, simply because they are fanboys, are the fools and those that defend the fanboys are fools as well. Im tired of seeing people that post valid complaints be attacked by the fanboys. These people have every right to state their opinions without being attacked.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough: You didn’t directly call for a free game. My mistake. I assumed you were agreeing with the OP especially when you made the statement about fully refunding people.
I was not trying to “come at you” though, just trying to calm things down. Although it is interesting how you “go at” someone else, then say you’ve got the right to your statements and then tell me not to “come at you”. Surely by that same logic I have the right to my statements? Whatever, it’s unimportant.
And finally: I didn’t say you were a fool. Your post reads like someone who is (in internet slang) “butthurt”. I agree that purefanboyism also looks foolish. And I agree that people should be able to post comments (as long as they’re not flamebait) without being attacked. That doesn’t mean you have to post an attacking raging comment. If we can all (me, you, the haters, the fanboys, everyone) keep it civil we can at least have a discussion instead of just flaming and derailing the thread right?
We can lead by example and not flame, not be baited into raging, not swear at each other and simply be civil, right?
zenstar
(zenstar)
#40
[QUOTE=FireWorks;349638]Great analogy! Actually when I was to the cinema and the sound dropped a couple times I did demand my money back. And guess what, they apologized that the viewing didnt meet their own standards and gave me my money back plus a 5euro food coupon.
And yes I like Brink but still its a fraud when costumers get misused as beta testers while the QA is releasing a technically broken game.[/QUOTE]
Actually you broke the analogy in your example.
The example you are putting forward is if Brink never ran on your system (and you met system requirements). If that were the case then yes. I agree. Take the game back to the store and ask for a refund. No sound in a cinema is the equivalent of a game that will not start / crashes when opening.
If, however, you can play the game and you simply do not like it or think that it is sub-par then it’s like going to watch a movie that you dislike or that you think is B-grade. No sane cinema is going to give you your money back because you thought the film was bad, but you were still able to watch it. If this were true I’d be able to get my money back for “Spiderman 2” but they wouldn’t give it to me even though Seabiscuit is a complete nob that cannot act to save his life.
And I disagree that we’re being used as beta testers. Balancing and responding to community feedback is not beta testing at all.