How to get rid of noob vassilis, and make them normal noobs.

(Herr_Hanz) #1

the reason the noobs always choose vassili is because a sniper rifle is one of the basic weapons that are always available to you in any FPS game. together with assault rifles, smg’s, LMG’s, and shotguns. that is why everybody chooses vassili as his first bought merc.

i suggest making vassili free from the start. so newcomers have the option to snipe, and still have money left to buy another merc. (that in probaly 80% of your opinion is a better merc than vassili, just imagine them buying aimee XD)
let the noob vassili’s become noob insert merc name here instead.

or they can git gud.

also:
EHRMAGERD VASSILI 3/24 NEWB!

(sgtCrookyGrin) #2

Honestly I’m not against this, only issue I have with Vass is how powerful he can be when the pro joins and uses him instead of Fletcher…

(watsyurdeal) #3

I agree, if only because I’d like to see him, Proxy, and Fragger in the tutorial.

I know we can’t stop the endless plague of people who don’t know how to play, but making the best possible attempt would be fantastic to say the least.

(BananaSlug) #4

if that means i would get back my 30k :stuck_out_tongue: yes

(Someordinaryguy) #5

Ah hell no, if he was avaible from the start, newbies would would pick him from the start and become even more useless. IMHO Bushwhacker/Fragger/Sawbonez would be much better since they’re pretty much straightforward, their kits are nothing fancy and they’re overall far more useful and easy to learn

(blonk) #6

[quote=“Herr_Hanz;32287”]the reason the noobs always choose vassili is because a sniper rifle is one of the basic weapons that are always available to you in any FPS game. together with assault rifles, smg’s, LMG’s, and shotguns. that is why everybody chooses vassili as his first bought merc.

i suggest making vassili free from the start. so newcomers have the option to snipe, and still have money left to buy another merc. (that in probaly 80% of your opinion is a better merc than vassili, just imagine them buying aimee XD)
let the noob vassili’s become noob insert merc name here instead.

or they can git gud.

also:
EHRMAGERD VASSILI 3/24 NEWB!

[/quote]

We want to encourage them to not be useless when they start their DB career

(Herr_Hanz) #7

[quote=“blonk;203977”][quote=“Herr_Hanz;32287”]the reason the noobs always choose vassili is because a sniper rifle is one of the basic weapons that are always available to you in any FPS game. together with assault rifles, smg’s, LMG’s, and shotguns. that is why everybody chooses vassili as his first bought merc.

i suggest making vassili free from the start. so newcomers have the option to snipe, and still have money left to buy another merc. (that in probaly 80% of your opinion is a better merc than vassili, just imagine them buying aimee XD)
let the noob vassili’s become noob insert merc name here instead.

or they can git gud.

also:
EHRMAGERD VASSILI 3/24 NEWB!

[/quote]

We want to encourage them to not be useless when they start their DB career [/quote]

by letting them buy a merc other than vassili from their first 30k. because vassili is already free. when you buy a merc you are usually forcing yourself to play with him for at least some hours. if vassili is free you dont buy him, meaing you will buy a different merc.

(MarsRover) #8

The problem: too many noob Vassilis
Your solution: create even more Vassilis that on average are even noobier (lvl 1 instead lvl 4)
Me: what?

SD, just make him cost 50k so that level 4s do not buy him instantly.

(Herr_Hanz) #9

[quote=“MarsRover;203992”]The problem: too many noob Vassilis
Your solution: create even more Vassilis that on average are even noobier (lvl 1 instead lvl 4)
Me: what?

SD, just make him cost 50k so that level 4s do not buy him instantly.[/quote]

my solution: remove part of the urge to get/use vassili, and leave more money to spend on other mercs.

(SaulWolfden) #10

[quote=“MarsRover;203992”]The problem: too many noob Vassilis
Your solution: create even more Vassilis that on average are even noobier (lvl 1 instead lvl 4)
Me: what?

SD, just make him cost 50k so that level 4s do not buy him instantly.[/quote]

They should swap his price to 50k and have Phantom be 30k so at least they are morons running around with katanas being good distractions instead of people gravitating to the character they sit back in a corner and do nothing with.

(JJMAJR) #11

[quote=“MarsRover;203992”]The problem: too many noob Vassilis
Your solution: create even more Vassilis that on average are even noobier (lvl 1 instead lvl 4)
Me: what?

SD, just make him cost 50k so that level 4s do not buy him instantly.[/quote]

I would say that a player needs to be at least level 20 before they should be allowed to use Vassili. Even a level 14 isn’t good enough (on average) for Vassili.

And then there’s the problem of players being able to directly purchase mercs. Increasing the credit cost won’t help with eliminating COD kids that steal their parents’ credit cards.

[quote=“SaulWolfden;204018”][quote=“MarsRover;203992”]The problem: too many noob Vassilis
Your solution: create even more Vassilis that on average are even noobier (lvl 1 instead lvl 4)
Me: what?

SD, just make him cost 50k so that level 4s do not buy him instantly.[/quote]

They should swap his price to 50k and have Phantom be 30k so at least they are morons running around with katanas being good distractions instead of people gravitating to the character they sit back in a corner and do nothing with.[/quote]

That’s only marginally better than what Vassilis are doing right now. I have been with so many new players and I keep asking myself why is the Phantom allowed to live, especially when he’s going rambo with the weeb sword.

(hoyes) #12

This is a somewhat logical idea, and I see why you think this would work. Really though, I would rather give people an engineer for free as they can at least passively contribute in some way to the objective/ help the team in an effective way. I feel this would just cause more people to play him as soon as they get the game and just turn low lvl servers into a sniping-fest.

This would not really be enjoyable for new players and will put people off the game. This would not be that good, as the problems completely outweigh the benefits.

(JJMAJR) #13

I’m just saying, we shouldn’t encourage shit Phantoms to pub stomp.

Recons have a high skill ceiling, but are incredibly hard to play, and unfortunately are what most people think of as a fun class. Because that Dirty Bomb doesn’t have a very fun, effective, or engaging stealth experience, not to mention sniping is prohibitively hard in this game, I think that having a Recon class be free would be a terrible idea. Even if he was Phantom.

(Herr_Hanz) #14

@JJMAJR @Jokder so how about vassili and an engineer for free (turtle), and make all the engi’s 30k

[spoiler]you just took the turtle bait >:)[/spoiler]

(licoriceJacket) #15

Maybe SD could add some sort of ‘recommended mercs to purchase’ when players get their 30k credit reward notification for getting to level 4?

(frostyvampire) #16

[quote=“MarsRover;203992”]The problem: too many noob Vassilis
Your solution: create even more Vassilis that on average are even noobier (lvl 1 instead lvl 4)
Me: what?

SD, just make him cost 50k so that level 4s do not buy him instantly.[/quote]

That ^

By making Vassili free, you increase the amount of noobs using him by a lot. It’s enough cancer when he is on a free rotation, no need to make this cancer permanent
If we ever get a new free merc, it has to be an engineer (Bush or Turtle)

(Orivar) #17

[quote=“MarsRover;203992”]The problem: too many noob Vassilis
Your solution: create even more Vassilis that on average are even noobier (lvl 1 instead lvl 4)
Me: what?

SD, just make him cost 50k so that level 4s do not buy him instantly.[/quote]

PLEASE!

(Apofenas) #18

Hello.

I believe 9/10 people buy Vassili at lvl 4. Giving Vassili for free will create even more noobs that think they are epic snipers. But that’s their choice. If such people want to snipe, they would buy a sniper even if Vassili cost 50k - you can’t do anything about that.

So, here’s the thing. Create a hard tutorial mission for Vassili. Show basic aspects of game play there. For example:
1)What does HB sencor, how and where to deploy it;
2)How to snipe with HB sensor (on bots that will shoot you if you miss first shot);
3)How to avoid Arty strike;
4)How to not fight Red eye through smoke;
5)How to spot Phantom before he melees you and kill him with MP;
6)How to repair the objective;
7)How to not repair the objective when engineer does it;
8)How to push the objective

Give Vassili for free to people who completed this tutorial without mistakes. Create same tutorial for some engineer.

(Herr_Hanz) #19

@FrostyVampire @Apofenas what im trying to do is let the noobs have 30k left to spend on a merc after trying out vassili. usually when they buy him theyre stuck with him for 20 hours untill they have another 30k before they can buy sawbonez. making vassili free leaves them free to buy any other merc vassili.

(Apofenas) #20

Making Vassili free would flood pubs with noob Vassili who have no idea not only to play the merc, but to play the game in general. <4 lvl Skyhammer would at least be an additional 120 hp target on a battlefield somewhere near objective and Aura would still put a heal station from time to time, meanwhile <4 lvl Vassilis would camp at spawns and rarely bother to do objective.

If u read what i wrote, I don’t mind giving Vassili for free. But only if players understand basics of game. That’s why i suggested a tutorial. I think doing an additional tutorial mission is worth a whole new merc for a low lvl.