how the game balanced the team

(Pepito Sbazeguti) #1

hi
i want to know how this game balanced the team at the begining and during the game when new player join the game.

Because a lot of time in stopwatch, objectives … there is a team with all high LV and the other with all the low level ?

It s strange. How the game can put in the same team => lv 120, 90 80, 70 … and in the other 1, 7, 7, 5 …???

So it s a bug ? or the game is blind or stupid ?

thx

(deadRabbit) #2

its how they treat veterans

(HunterAssassin5) #3

it works like this:

Is player level 20 or more?

  • If yes assign to team 1
  • If no assign to team 2

Is number of players in server an odd number?

  • If yes assign high-level player(s) to team 1

Assign random level 20 or more player to team 2

and that’s how you get this

(PlatinumCLAW) #4

I am amazed to see no “Levels do not matter” bullshit on this thread.
Does level matter ? YES, to a certain extend they do.

#5

When new player joins a game in progress, they get put into the team with less players. If both teams are equal in numbers, they get put into the ‘weaker’ team.

No matchmaking is used after the initial shuffle in lobby.

(B_Montiel) #6

The game initial shuffle just does average stats of players during their last 25 games. So it means absolutely nothing, as it does not account its opposition, the class he used and is using. And it really does not have anything related with levels. If a level 10 just pwned low players during his 25 last games, he’ll get a high ranking for pub games. A level 60 trying some mercs he rarely plays could get bad rankings because he might had 5 games where he totally sucked against his usual opponents.

@PlatinumCLAW : People saying level does matter are generally trying to say : “There’s an increase in ice cream sales because people are buying more sunglasses” without correlating it with the original factor, which is the summer coming/temperature raise. Same goes in this game, where time spent in the game usually explains skill increases, but not level on its own. I know plenty of people, who are long time alpha players, who more or less stopped playing since steam version appeared and are around level 20 right now and will still top on the scoreboard. Of course, someone who played a lot will have more appropriate loadouts in his inventory, but it is a very tiny advantage compared to someone who plays well.

(geronimoooo) #7

levels are experience, but experience doesnt necessarily transfer into skill. You can gain some skill over time ofc, but so does everyone else.

So yes, while levels matter, because it is experience and practice, it is very simplifying to the point, that its just easier to say, that levels dont matter, which is closer to the truth. As the factors involved in increasing skill are much more complicated, than just simple play long enough to learn to play well.

(Nibbles02) #8

Levels only matter if the level of a player is 15 or below, even then it may not because of smurf accounts. Level fails to account for skill, experience with similar games, or other conditions for each individual player, like hardware or how frequently they play. The only thing levels account for is experience with Dirty Bomb and even then not perfectly because different classes earn XP at different rates with varying degrees of difficulty, as well as the aforementioned smurf account.

As stated before; the current balancing system takes your stats from the past 25 games, which for newbies, doesn’t exist, and balances based on that. New players often get the short end of the stick in terms of match balancing and the same goes for players who constantly top their team, as it’ll put them with all the low-skill players.

After it’s balanced initially, any player who joins is put on the team with the least players or a random team depending on if there’s an odd number of players in the game.

(Dagasawr) #9

to be honest with you in order to really improve you kinda have to play against better players(at least in my personal experience). but I get that playing against a entire team of decent players would suck. hopefully (apart from players using smurf accounts) this stuff wont happen often. also Ive seen quite a few lvl 70+ players get stomped in casual matches because playing against lesser skilled players makes them develop bad habits.

(Amerika) #10

[quote=“TheRyderShotgun;199874”]it works like this:

Is player level 20 or more?

  • If yes assign to team 1
  • If no assign to team 2

Is number of players in server an odd number?

  • If yes assign high-level player(s) to team 1

Assign random level 20 or more player to team 2

and that’s how you get this

http://i.imgur.com/gvcocaR.jpg[/quote]

Please stop posting this as if it’s true. Your screenshot shows multiple people who aren’t even in the server yet. A lot of your original sorted team left and there is also the chance that players switched sides which is fairly common with people who want to play with each other.

I enjoy good jokes but I do not enjoy misinformation and intentionally leaving out details. Even though people should see for themselves from the SS it’s still FUD.

(AnonOmis1000) #11

There isn’t any kind of match making yet outside of ranked (which might as well not have match making since no one plays it). All it does is put you on the team with the least people on it.

(Lord.Eblis) #12

I would say level is in itself is an indicator of how much time you spent/wasted on this game.
I would not use the word “experience” because it usually goes alongside skills. But yes of course you gain some more “experience of the game”, doesn’t mean you are a competitive player with a 5 kdr. I will take my own exemple, I know that I’m not a good aimer, so I focus on the team work, for example in BF4 I have almost 1300hours and barely 1.45kd. I reached level 140 after 1100h. I know competitive players, who play ESL, they reach level 140 in barely 300h ! they have a minimum of 2.5kd. So yeah level means nothing in itself.
And take this example : one competitive player could have a second low level account. Put him in a pub and he mostly get kicked for hacking.

(Amerika) #13

That’s not true @AnonOmis1000. See the post by B.Montiel as he described it pretty much exactly. Each player has a private rating based on their last 25 matches and are sorted in the lobby so that each team has a similar overall skill rating. But it doesn’t take into account what mercs the players have been playing or what they will play (since it pretty much can’t) and it will also sometimes stack a really good player/players with a bunch of not as good players and face them off with a more consistently balanced opposing team. So balance is attempted but it rarely happens.

Also, if the server is down two players the team with the lowest skill rating will get the next player. Which can also lead to bad balancing at times due to obvious problems there.

(AnonOmis1000) #14

@Amerika my bad

(Amerika) #15

No worries. I wish it was posted in game as a tip or something. The current balance system that is in place doesn’t work very well and can cause just as many problems as it tries to solve. But it does at least try. And in some typical situations it might even work. But there are too many variables in play to really make it work while also trying to balance only the few players that are connected to the server.

(HunterAssassin5) #16

[quote=“Amerika;199910”][quote=“TheRyderShotgun;199874”]it works like this:

Is player level 20 or more?

  • If yes assign to team 1
  • If no assign to team 2

Is number of players in server an odd number?

  • If yes assign high-level player(s) to team 1

Assign random level 20 or more player to team 2

and that’s how you get this

http://i.imgur.com/gvcocaR.jpg[/quote]

Please stop posting this as if it’s true. Your screenshot shows multiple people who aren’t even in the server yet. A lot of your original sorted team left and there is also the chance that players switched sides which is fairly common with people who want to play with each other.

I enjoy good jokes but I do not enjoy misinformation and intentionally leaving out details. Even though people should see for themselves from the SS it’s still FUD.[/quote]

my bad. figured the sarcasm would show through but guess not. ill keep in mind to add something at the end if i was being sarcastic.

(Amerika) #17

[quote=“TheRyderShotgun;199952”][quote=“Amerika;199910”][quote=“TheRyderShotgun;199874”]it works like this:

Is player level 20 or more?

  • If yes assign to team 1
  • If no assign to team 2

Is number of players in server an odd number?

  • If yes assign high-level player(s) to team 1

Assign random level 20 or more player to team 2

and that’s how you get this

http://i.imgur.com/gvcocaR.jpg[/quote]

Please stop posting this as if it’s true. Your screenshot shows multiple people who aren’t even in the server yet. A lot of your original sorted team left and there is also the chance that players switched sides which is fairly common with people who want to play with each other.

I enjoy good jokes but I do not enjoy misinformation and intentionally leaving out details. Even though people should see for themselves from the SS it’s still FUD.[/quote]

my bad. figured the sarcasm would show through but guess not. ill keep in mind to add something at the end if i was being sarcastic. [/quote]

Both times I’ve seen this you posted it in completely non-sarcastic ways and was called out for it last time. So yeah, I think that would be wise :slight_smile:

(HunterAssassin5) #18

[quote=“Amerika;199955”][quote=“TheRyderShotgun;199952”][quote=“Amerika;199910”][quote=“TheRyderShotgun;199874”]it works like this:

Is player level 20 or more?

  • If yes assign to team 1
  • If no assign to team 2

Is number of players in server an odd number?

  • If yes assign high-level player(s) to team 1

Assign random level 20 or more player to team 2

and that’s how you get this

http://i.imgur.com/gvcocaR.jpg[/quote]

Please stop posting this as if it’s true. Your screenshot shows multiple people who aren’t even in the server yet. A lot of your original sorted team left and there is also the chance that players switched sides which is fairly common with people who want to play with each other.

I enjoy good jokes but I do not enjoy misinformation and intentionally leaving out details. Even though people should see for themselves from the SS it’s still FUD.[/quote]

my bad. figured the sarcasm would show through but guess not. ill keep in mind to add something at the end if i was being sarcastic. [/quote]

Both times I’ve seen this you posted it in completely non-sarcastic ways and was called out for it last time. So yeah, I think that would be wise :)[/quote]

i completely forgot about that time, and i didnt actually go back in there to see the reply. my fault, i suppose.

(Diosito) #19

I’ve always imagined that works as follows:

Private Sub TROLL()
TrollDa’Balance
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TrollDa’Balance
TrollDa’Balance
End Sub

Abbadon
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(Elvisz) #20

i always thought balancing was counted after your chinese speaker rms value. it that is in balance everything is in balance… like world peace and stuff like that