Hey Splash Damage, Please read all your feedback and listen

[_A_A_vonStauffenberg]

The RTCW players who are playing ET are your hardcoe community for the most part–listen to ALL the feedback. We are devoted fans of RTCW.

First off, I applaud Splash Damage for sticking with this and doing the work on a game I truly love and have played since the first day the Beach_MP Test came out so long ago. I was looking forward to this, but with some apprehension–I wanted more maps, weapons and classes, but was scared that too many CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL would make this not an add-on, but a different game–and one that is not as good as the original.

The things I looked forward to and that now after playing I like for the most part are:

-new weapons: finally! the FG42, mines are cool, Mortar–yes!
-new class: yes!
-new weapons/abilities for existing classes: cool!
-gettting promoted: feels good inside

These are all great because they are ADDITIONS and not foundational changes to the original game.

HOWEVER on the negative:
:eek: It scares me that this is called BETA…

As a general rule, since this is SUPPOSED to be and ADD-ON: IF IT ISN’T BROKEN DON’T FIX IT…(as they say)

Don’t try to make this YOUR (Splash Damage’s Game)–it’s RTCW period.

There was a lot in the original RTCW that was “not broken”–which is why I still play the game after trying all the others (BF1942, MOHAA, etc) and came back to it–as did everyone else who still plays it.

In the original, the following were great and are no more so:

-MODELS and ANIMATIONS–change them back! They looked soooo much better than ALL the other WW2 games out and still do (BF1942 and MOHAA models suck compared to RTCW).
ET made changes that look cheap. (Yes, I know it’s free.)

-PHYSICS were great–not entirely realistic, but FUN and that’s the main aim of a game, right? ET feels different.

-VOICES: very cool and with that dark touch that permeated the entire game in general. BRING THE ORIGINAL VOICES BACK! And then just add what’s needed for the new stuff, but make sure it is cool, NOT CHEESY. Did you guys not have the rights for the original voice or what made you change it?

-LIGHTING: the game had that very dark, dismal look I always associate with WW2 Europe

and many more

Additionally:

Other small changes that do not work:

-the Compass–can you make it translucent–I know you can disable it, but it can be useful and if it was smaller, simpler and see through it would not dominate the screen.

-the HEAD on the HUD: looks cheesy–it was cool in the original Doom, but that was about it. This is a very minor thing, but adds to the overall cheesy-ness of ET. I believe the SS and Wehrmacht had a policy on facial hair, at least in most of the documentaries I have seen on WW2 only a very small number of German soldiers had facial hair.

-THE FIRE TEAM THING: does anyone really use this? I doubt it. The text gets in the way and I don’t think anyone gives a crap about this feature.

-GRENADE CHANGES:

FROM THE README

• Grenade Physics

The grenade physics will not perform as you may remember from Return to Castle Wolfenstein. This was an intentional addition and was implemented this way so that the thrower’s velocity was translated into the throw. This is important to deal with throwing grenades from moving objects (like the tank in Fueldump).

WHY?!?! I don’t really recall hearing anyone complain about the grenade physics before?!! They were fine. And they had that “Clank” sound that also added something to it. CHANGE IT BACK! (Please)

-WAITING FOR A SERVER: I hope that this is only temporary, but I play on the same server all the time–people know me there, it’s a community of sorts–now, when the server is full, the game kicks you back to the main menu??? WHY?!! Please change this back–it’s a pain to have to REFRESH LIST constantly until a spot opens up.

-TOO MUCH TEXT on screen–is it all really necessary??!

-IN-GAME MENU DISPLAY: Where is the menu that displays all the recent user messages? If it is still there and I haven’t found fine, I’m the idiot. But if you can no longer read messages that are not on the main in-game scrolling list, this is bad–important information can be missed.

PLEASE DO NOT KILL MY BELOVED RTCW WITH YOUR (FREE) GOOD INTENTIONS!!!

[alexwryt]

Yeah I agree with most of that, especially the voices. I could probably do better ones myself on my PC microphone. If they can’t have the original voices back they should hire someone good to do it for them instead of their building janitor or whoever they got do these voices on his lunch break. Maybe get the guy from Full Metal Jacket, he has done game voices before.

[Nazo]

-the HEAD on the HUD: looks cheesy–it was cool in the original Doom, but that was about it. This is a very minor thing, but adds to the overall cheesy-ness of ET. I believe the SS and Wehrmacht had a policy on facial hair, at least in most of the documentaries I have seen on WW2 only a very small number of German soldiers had facial hair.

The head on HUD is really enerving, and redundant, as there is the Health Meter.

It should have an option to disable this feature.

[NoSoup4U]

The head on HUD is really enerving, and redundant, as there is the Health Meter.

It should have an option to disable this feature.

I heard it’s on the ‘fix-list’ :as in, you will be able to turn it off in the full release.

[fundamental]

I feel the same way about player models, i was expecting something different and better not worse :bored:

These models in the screenshots of ET released year ago, look much better:
http://www.gamespydaily.com/screenshots/index.asp?id=13476
http://www.gamespydaily.com/screenshots/index.asp?id=13475

As other person pointer out, one of the thng that made RTCW much better and different than other WW2 shooters was its characters models and their voices.

ET gameplay is so much better, these minor look and listen issues I am worried will discourage many RTCW fans.

[_A_A_vonStauffenberg]

Cool, glad others feel the same way for the most part.

Don’t get me wrong–I’m really happy someone is working on adding to RTCW, but I just really want it to be done right so that it doesn’t kill RTCW.

I really don’t know what I’d play if all the servers evaporated if ET kills it for me.

SPLASH DAMAGE, please make these improvements. You have a good community of devoted players here. When I saw ET at E3 I was really excited about it, but now I am a lot less so.

Get Drew back to do your voices!

[Weaver24]

Damn man, you got ripped off. Why dont you go get your money back.

[Weaver24]

For some reason I can’t edit my last message. I just said that to be an asshole : P. anway, here are the things I would love to see

1. Take another look at the animations/movements, they are very choppy.

2. I would absolutley LOVE to see the premiered player models that are shown in the screenshots above, if SD implemented this, they would offically be on my christmas card list : P.

3. Honeslty, the facial expresions need to be looked at. Keep the idea, but dont have the guy look from right to left, when your looking at this from a guy right next to you, it looks stupid. If you want good facial shit, look at bf1942, they did it pefectly.

4. Work on the KAR43 gun model, make it diffent.

Currently, when playing ET I really dont get the felling i’m playing a new game, I feel like im playing a total coversion mod. Making some gun models better (I.E garand… K42). And put some better player models in. Like the ones showed in the above screenshots. But thanks anyway splash

[_A_A_vonStauffenberg]

I know it’s free, BUT it still can kill the game if it sucks.

[Ph0g]

The things I looked forward to and that now after playing I like for the most part are:

-new weapons: finally! the FG42, mines are cool, Mortar–yes!
-new class: yes!
-new weapons/abilities for existing classes: cool!
-gettting promoted: feels good inside

These are all great because they are ADDITIONS and not foundational changes to the original game.

The XP system all around kicks ass, it makes ET worth all the not so good crap.

HOWEVER on the negative:
:eek: It scares me that this is called BETA…

As a general rule, since this is SUPPOSED to be and ADD-ON: IF IT ISN’T BROKEN DON’T FIX IT…(as they say)

Don’t try to make this YOUR (Splash Damage’s Game)–it’s RTCW period.

Let them call it what they want, who really cares? They made the entire stand-alone ET multiplayer, they worked hard on it, so let them call it a beta if they please.

In the original, the following were great and are no more so:

-MODELS and ANIMATIONS–change them back! They looked soooo much better than ALL the other WW2 games out and still do (BF1942 and MOHAA models suck compared to RTCW).
ET made changes that look cheap. (Yes, I know it’s free.)

-PHYSICS were great–not entirely realistic, but FUN and that’s the main aim of a game, right? ET feels different.

-VOICES: very cool and with that dark touch that permeated the entire game in general. BRING THE ORIGINAL VOICES BACK! And then just add what’s needed for the new stuff, but make sure it is cool, NOT CHEESY. Did you guys not have the rights for the original voice or what made you change it?

-LIGHTING: the game had that very dark, dismal look I always associate with WW2 Europe

and many more

Character models, sounds, and stuff like that aren’t a big concern, besides we can always have someone mod them. But it would be nice if they made them better :p. As for physics and lighting, I much prefer the ones in ET. ET seems to allow you to run faster, jump higher, which allows for bigger maps. The atmospheric effects will rule too. The lighting in ET is obviously superior, just explore the maps more and see for yourself.

Additionally:

Other small changes that do not work:

-the Compass–can you make it translucent–I know you can disable it, but it can be useful and if it was smaller, simpler and see through it would not dominate the screen.

-the HEAD on the HUD: looks cheesy–it was cool in the original Doom, but that was about it. This is a very minor thing, but adds to the overall cheesy-ness of ET. I believe the SS and Wehrmacht had a policy on facial hair, at least in most of the documentaries I have seen on WW2 only a very small number of German soldiers had facial hair.

-THE FIRE TEAM THING: does anyone really use this? I doubt it. The text gets in the way and I don’t think anyone gives a crap about this feature.

Compass hasn’t bothered me.

The head…they can change it if I want, doesn’t bother me.

Fire teams are great! I love knowing information specifically on the people I give a fuck about (such as my clan members) but not have to worry about the clutter of information on all the other morons. In the final fireteam symbols will be visible on helmets, which will help out too.

-GRENADE CHANGES:

FROM THE README

• Grenade Physics

The grenade physics will not perform as you may remember from Return to Castle Wolfenstein. This was an intentional addition and was implemented this way so that the thrower’s velocity was translated into the throw. This is important to deal with throwing grenades from moving objects (like the tank in Fueldump).

WHY?!?! I don’t really recall hearing anyone complain about the grenade physics before?!! They were fine. And they had that “Clank” sound that also added something to it. CHANGE IT BACK! (Please)

This was freaking me out until I read the readme :). I actually like the new grenades! It gives you a bit more control. Now you can sprint forwards and toss for added distance, or you can chuck it around corners while strafing by. The effect of the momentum from your character is applied quite heavily…to an unrealistic degree even since in reality the force from the person throwing the grenade counteracts most of the velocity the person had when he threw it, but it allows for my versatility in ET so leave it :D.

-WAITING FOR A SERVER: I hope that this is only temporary, but I play on the same server all the time–people know me there, it’s a community of sorts–now, when the server is full, the game kicks you back to the main menu??? WHY?!! Please change this back–it’s a pain to have to REFRESH LIST constantly until a spot opens up.

Well since I can’t actually read the “challenge” and “awaiting gamestate” messages, I am glad it kicks me to the main for now, lol.

-TOO MUCH TEXT on screen–is it all really necessary??!

Customizable HUD would help alot.

-IN-GAME MENU DISPLAY: Where is the menu that displays all the recent user messages? If it is still there and I haven’t found fine, I’m the idiot. But if you can no longer read messages that are not on the main in-game scrolling list, this is bad–important information can be missed.

Eh? It all shows up in the console…

PLEASE DO NOT KILL MY BELOVED RTCW WITH YOUR (FREE) GOOD INTENTIONS!!!

ET doesn’t overwrite your wolf install silly!!! ET is NOT an addon, accept it dude. ET is a new game in itself based entirely on wolf. You can like it or dislike it, but I think ET is a good thing.

[chavo_one]

ET doesn’t overwrite your wolf install silly!!! ET is NOT an addon, accept it dude. ET is a new game in itself based entirely on wolf. You can like it or dislike it, but I think ET is a good thing.

Like it or not, ET has a big name in front of those two letters…WOLFENSTEIN. This game is a part of the franchise and therefore has to be held to the same standards that RtCW set.

Imagine if someone took Star Wars and made a sequel that looked really pretty with enhanced graphics and lighting effects, but changed all of the things you truely loved in the original for the worse…oh wait, that was Episode 1!!

I mean, you guys defending ET so blindly, can’t you see why so many people are screaming about what they think is wrong with ET? It’s because they actually care about the Wolfenstein franchise, and want it to be successful.

So let’s stop with the rhetoric and name calling, and try to help Splash Damage fix this game!

[Ph0g]

I already countered all the complaints and agreed with those that were accurate. But when it comes down to it, all you guys really have to complain about that they apparently have no intention of dealing with is models and sounds. Which is the least significant aspect of the game if you ask me.

[_A_A_vonStauffenberg]

BRAVO CHAVO ONE–you get what I am trying to say here.

(Though I don’t think the new graphics look enhanced, I think they took a step back–maybe there is somethign wrong with my settings?)

TO PHOG

Yes, I know that ET does not install over Wolfy. That’s not my point.

What I meant was that something so close to the original, but not the original, can split the community of players (between ones who like the new and ones who stick with the old), rather than ENHANCING the old into something better.

On the note about the messages showing up in the console–yes I know this too, but it’s a pain to have to PAGE UP all the way past the voice messages to find player text messages, I liked it better when JUST THOSE showed up in the Limbo Menu.

also on your comment:

" Compass hasn't bothered me. "

 "The head....they can change it if I want, doesn't bother me. "

I just think it’s a lot of unnecessary and obtrusive clutter on screen–the HUD from RTCW was fine the way it was. So if you don’t care, why counter my point–if you don’t care then, if they get rid of it (the head) and resize the compass, then we’ll all be happy. I like to see my game when I play, not a bunch of useless crap on the HUD.

As long as you can turn off the Fire Team box, I’ll be happy–it doesn’t make a big addition to the game for me so I don’t need it.

ON GRENADES: for me, I loved the way they worked in RTCW, or maybe I am just used to it–but THAT’S MY POINT. People who play ET are USED TO THINGS in RTCW, at least the majority of players. And I don’t hear people complaining, so why change it. PLUS, I think the change has made it worse–feels like MOH or BF1942 now–where it feels like you are PUSHING the grenades in front of you, not THROWING them.

ON PHOG’S POINT:

"Well since I can’t actually read the “challenge” and “awaiting gamestate” messages, I am glad it kicks me to the main for now, lol. "

You obviously have never stood in line for a full server–it is so much better when the game queues you up and then you instantlyu connect when someone drops out–it’s a pain to have to go back to the main menu and refresh the list over and over and over again.

Whatever, I have already gone back to RTCW. I’ll try ET again on the next release and just pray in the meantime that it gets better.

[Vengeance]

I agree with nearly everything ph0g has said and feel the same way has him. Apart for the awaiting gamestate thingy.

Overall I think ET is better than RTCW (which i am still a big fan)

Ppl need to remember this is a test not the final release. So things like choppy animation and such are just part of the test. I think Splash damage released this test mainly to see what ppl thought to gameplay and to find any bugs they have overlooked.

Animation and such are things for me splash damage knew aboout when they released the test and are bound to fix this in final release.

I wish when ppl post there comments they keep in mind this is not the final version and nor is it a mod for RTCW - its a new game based on the old RTCW