Headshots need to be completely disabled for automatic weapons

(DjIceman) #1

Why? Because the only time anyone ever gets a headshot on you in this game is through complete and utter random luck or a very rare case of good aiming.

The spread on weapons acts in such a fashion that bullets do not hit where your crosshair is aimed. Rather, the bullets are spread around a margin area set for the specific gun you use. So more often than not, even if you could be and wanted to be skillful with how you shoot, you wouldn’t be able to.

Another factor contributing to these random headshots is of course the parkour movement system that very easily lends itself to random headshots.

Headshots should still do more damage when you use sniper rifles, burst fire weapons or single-shot weapons. However, right now, it’s way too easy to get yourself killed instantly.

If nothing else, headshot bonus damage should be severely decreased for automatic weapons. It takes a lot of bullets to kill someone and it shouldn’t just come down to random luck.

(SphereCow) #2

Wait, what? Those two things do not make sense in the same line of thinking. If it’s complete luck/spray and pray, how would it be "way too easy to get yourself killed instantly.?

Could it be that you are spraying and praying, i.e. trying to shoot while performing parkour moves, and other people have learned that crouching and using the sights + bursts actually helps?

Completely implausible, right?

(Tinygod) #3

[QUOTE=Luddens Desir;322585]Wait, what? Those two things do not make sense in the same line of thinking. If it’s complete luck/spray and pray, how would it be "way too easy to get yourself killed instantly.?

Could it be that you are spraying and praying, i.e. trying to shoot while performing parkour moves, and other people have learned that crouching and using the sights + bursts actually helps?

Completely implausible, right?[/QUOTE]

Could it be that hes implying that when two people look at each other, aim for the head and fire at the same time, its totally random who’s burst lands a head shot and who’s doesn’t.

Since automatic weapons fire in random cones, based on the weapon used. Instead of firing accurately and letting weapon recoil determine which ones go stray from the intended target.

The way it works currently is that even if you could force your crosshairs to stay perfectly on someones head, and crouch and use sights, not every bullet will hit the head, because they fire in a CONE.

Completely implausible, right? oh wait, no its not, because its a fact, and you were talking out of your ass.

Goes to show, fanboys are always idiots.

(DjIceman) #4

[QUOTE=Luddens Desir;322585]Wait, what? Those two things do not make sense in the same line of thinking. If it’s complete luck/spray and pray, how would it be "way too easy to get yourself killed instantly.?

Could it be that you are spraying and praying, i.e. trying to shoot while performing parkour moves, and other people have learned that crouching and using the sights + bursts actually helps?

Completely implausible, right?[/QUOTE]

YES! You’re right! Everyone knows how to use sights, burst fire and crouch while in an intense firefight. You Sir, hehehe, you are a genius! That’s what must have caused all those headshots. Definitely. Even my own! Yes, I must have been doing all of that without even noticing! Even while in an intense firefight!

Headshots do significantly more damage than shooting at other parts of the body. What’s confusing you here? If random headshots do significantly more damage then… Wait a minute! Could be it be that… It takes… It takes… Significantly less time to kill someone if you get headshots on them?! NO WAY! GET OUT OF HERE!

(SphereCow) #5

[QUOTE=DjIceman;322589]YES! You’re right! Everyone knows how to use sights, burst fire and crouch while in an intense firefight. You Sir, hehehe, you are a genius! That’s what must have caused all those headshots. Definitely. Even my own! Yes, I must have been doing all of that without even noticing! Even while in an intense firefight!

Headshots do significantly more damage than shooting at other parts of the body. What’s confusing you here? If random headshots do significantly more damage then… Wait a minute! Could be it be that… It takes… It takes… Significantly less time to kill someone if you get headshots on them?! NO WAY! GET OUT OF HERE![/QUOTE]

You guys are pretty awful at comprehensions skills. How it makes sense that it would be completely random, but at the same time be far more likely that you lose than win, is beyond me. To me, that would imply that it is in fact, not random, and the whining of a butthurt child. But hey, maybe that’s just me.

It could. But that’s not at all what he said.

“It’s complete luck.”

“It’s hard to aim because of parkour.”

“You’ll die more often than you kill.”

I have had absolutely no success hitting things while wall jumping, but have done perfectly fine using the right weapons for the right distance, and switching between scopes, sights, and burst fire.

(A.i) #6

I do headshots all the time with long rifle and the revolver with coga scope.
For smgs I just aim in the head and hope that couple of the bullets will hit the head… 25-60 bullets in the mag - calculate a probability of atleast few hitting a head with perfect aim, so why remove headshots if its a skill to have a perfect aim and enough time to wait for that probabilty to happen…

(Kill5Joy) #7

Am I the only one who thinks this is one of the stupidest ideas you’ve ever heard? A simple yes or no will suffice.

(DjIceman) #8

[QUOTE=Luddens Desir;322598]You guys are pretty awful at comprehensions skills. How it makes sense that it would be completely random, but at the same time be far more likely that you lose than win, is beyond me. To me, that would imply that it is in fact, not random, and the whining of a butthurt child. But hey, maybe that’s just me.

It could. But that’s not at all what he said.

“It’s complete luck.”

“It’s hard to aim because of parkour.”

“You’ll die more often than you kill.”

I have had absolutely no success hitting things while wall jumping, but have done perfectly fine using the right weapons for the right distance, and switching between scopes, sights, and burst fire.[/QUOTE]

Did I mention that it would be far more likely to lose than win? I even said, in fact, I have made such headshots myself. I even as much as implied that I do it often. Also, your goals or reasoning are non-existent. So, exactly, why are you even commenting if you have nothing useful, nor insightful to share or contribute?

“It’s complete luck.” - Not what I said. Read my first sentence more carefully.

“It’s hard to aim because of parkour.” - No, that is in no way what I meant. I meant it is far more easy to get shot in the head while, for example, sliding. And in such a scenario, especially when in an intense firefight, such a headshot would be purely based on luck. Not even an insane amount of skill can help there.

“You’ll die more often than you kill.” - Once again, as I mentioned above, not what I said.

“I have had absolutely no success hitting things while wall jumping, but have done perfectly fine using the right weapons for the right distance, and switching between scopes, sights, and burst fire.”

So have I and in fact, I’ve managed to shoot things while wall jumping. I’ve even managed to knife kill someone shortly after jumping on them from a wall! Oh, what I did that match… Dear Lord… God cried that day, because I wasn’t recording. But anyway! All those things are absolutely worthless when someone can kill you in a split second from an utterly random headshot. That’s what I’m saying.

This happens too often. Parkour having no small part in it, of course.

And why, exactly, is that? Do you like being instantly killed from a spray?

(Kill5Joy) #9

umm if you’re far more likely to lose than win,wouldnt that mean that everyone would lose? Example: if you have a 50% chance of winning,and the other guy has a 50% chance of winning, it’s equal and it comes down to who shoots first.

(DjIceman) #10

??? What are you talking about?

(Kill5Joy) #11

if I’m instantly killed from a spray, it’s because they just sprayed, not because of a random headshot. If they’re close enough to spray and kill you, you’re dead because you have 20 rounds in the chest, not one in the head

(Brendover) #12

Maybe if you could only get headshots while aiming.

(Kill5Joy) #13

lol, I will admit while I get more headshots while aiming, it’s still a little difficult when they move asfast as they do

(DjIceman) #14

Realistically, you can’t be killed “instantly” from 20 rounds. 20 rounds take slightly longer than that to come out of the gun barrel in the first place and even then, I doubt all 20 of those rounds are going to hit you point plank. Especially if they’re just spraying and waving their weapon around.

If you die instantly, you die because one of those bullets hit your head. Whether or not it was the last bullet they shot (which would indicate whether or not it was a headshot kill in the kill feed) is irrelevant.

Health and damage is by design pretty unfair in this game. There are body types, buffs, kevlar vests, health command posts and there’s the ability (whatever it’s called). So it’s absolutely disgusting if someone can just kill you instantly, even if you’ve got all those things on your side.

I mean, what the hell am I supposed to do when something like this happens? There’s nothing I can do, except to hope that some of my bullets actually hit their head as well. And a lot of my kills are actually like that. And let me be honest, many of those headshots are by no means intentional on my part. They just “happen”. I’ll admit, it might have something to do with lag issues this game has, that might be a contributor, but fact of the matter is, even if the hit detection was spot on, parkour would still cause a lot of headshots.

If you’ve ever been killed from a headshot while “dropshooting” in other games, you’ll know what I mean.

(Kill5Joy) #15

I don’t think that 20 rounds is really unrealistic. You’re not waving your gun around and you don’t have to really take kick into account if you’re point blank. I’m sure the headshots affect how fast you kill someone, but the margin is so small it doesn’t really matter. Most of your bullets are going to hit so it doesn’t matter. But I will give you that some of the AR’s have extremely unrealistic spread and getting those few random headshots would be helpful

(DjIceman) #16

I’m pretty sure the increase of damage from headshots is pretty big.

(Kill5Joy) #17

if I remember correctly it’s X1.5

(DjIceman) #18

Is it? Seems like a lot more to me. Even so, if a bullet does 20 damage regularly 30 damage is quite a lot more DPS. Especially if that headshot is actually a couple of headshots, from perhaps an SMG with a high fire rate. Not mentioning any names…

(Kill5Joy) #19

SMG’s are a whole difernet story lol

(DjIceman) #20

cough Not mentioning any names cough