Hate this game sometimes...

(titaniumCrouton) #1

10 trade ups, all for sawbonez. Every. Single. One of them ends up being a stupid SMG-9. Seriously. I’d take anything, ANYTHING other than another goddamn smg-9. ._. sigh. I give up. GG wp. -pointless rage over-

(Ghosthree3) #2

Um. SMG-9 is arguably the best SMG right now after the recent changes.

(defiantLayer) #3

Just buy the bronze card you want?

(TeeKayM) #4

Yeah man just buy a bronze card.

(GregHouseMD) #5

You knew the risks, soldier. Always, always make sure you have a loadout card you’re comfortable with set aside, even if it’s just an Iron card. Or lead, even, just to get the right gun.

(SteelMailbox) #6

I got a gold smg 9 sawbonez with caulden. Sawbonez be ballin

(moonlitAbility) #7

i have the opposite problem. ive been TRYING to craft SB with the smg9 and keep getting the blish. accuracy by volume. at least you can trade them up…

unless youve been crafting cobalts, if so yr stuck

(Ghosthree3) #8

Yea I actually bought new Bronze loadouts to replace some of my old ones this patch. So far replaced Crotzni on both Nader and Sawbones with the SMG-9. It’s just so much better right now, feel a little sad about the heal speed perk I lost on Sawbones though.

(cornJester) #9

Yea I actually bought new Bronze loadouts to replace some of my old ones this patch. So far replaced Crotzni on both Nader and Sawbones with the SMG-9. It’s just so much better right now, feel a little sad about the heal speed perk I lost on Sawbones though.[/quote]

Crotzni is still more than usable. It’s less accurate than before but I still wreck with it, just gotta fire smaller bursts. I still think the Sawbonez card with get up and potent packs with the mechanic cherry on top is the best, just due to the perks.

I am sad that they nerfed the Crotzni but I am happy that the SMG-9 has a place now. Before it was just a worse Crotzni and that wasn’t good. It feels more balanced overall in that regard but I wish they had approached it differently and just changed the SMG-9 instead.

(titaniumCrouton) #10

-salute- Ma’am yes Ma’am, but I never had a good loadout for sawbonez to speak for in the first place Ma’am so nothing was risked. -Clicks boots together in attention- and yeah, i know it’s techincally not that bad it’s just…idk. I can’t shoot things with it. Idk why but I can’t hit/kill targets with it.

Give me any other smg though and I do fine o_o. I have the same problem with the M4 honestly. I can’t do shit with it. Give me a timik or K-121 one though and I can kill anyone perfectly fine. Idk what is wrong with me :frowning: but oh well. I’ll just give up and save for a bronze card it seems xP.

(Ghosthree3) #11

It is definitely usable. But still inferior. It has the same damage per bullet as the SMG-9, with only a marginally faster fire rate. But a hell of a lot more bloom.

(titaniumCrouton) #12

Oh as aside note though i do need to learn to use the smg-9 for the simple fact that I did one last trade up with some throw away cards, got a gold Smg-9 loadout. Not a real fan of the perks on it but it did have the pick up one, so it’s better than anything else I have…

and it’s the “red” gold :3 so it’s pretty.

(SteelMailbox) #13

-salute- Ma’am yes Ma’am, but I never had a good loadout for sawbonez to speak for in the first place Ma’am so nothing was risked. -Clicks boots together in attention- and yeah, i know it’s techincally not that bad it’s just…idk. I can’t shoot things with it. Idk why but I can’t hit/kill targets with it.

Give me any other smg though and I do fine o_o. I have the same problem with the M4 honestly. I can’t do shit with it. Give me a timik or K-121 one though and I can kill anyone perfectly fine. Idk what is wrong with me :frowning: but oh well. I’ll just give up and save for a bronze card it seems xP.[/quote]
I actually am pretty bad with the timik the recoil is too much for me

(titaniumCrouton) #14

-salute- Ma’am yes Ma’am, but I never had a good loadout for sawbonez to speak for in the first place Ma’am so nothing was risked. -Clicks boots together in attention- and yeah, i know it’s techincally not that bad it’s just…idk. I can’t shoot things with it. Idk why but I can’t hit/kill targets with it.

Give me any other smg though and I do fine o_o. I have the same problem with the M4 honestly. I can’t do shit with it. Give me a timik or K-121 one though and I can kill anyone perfectly fine. Idk what is wrong with me :frowning: but oh well. I’ll just give up and save for a bronze card it seems xP.[/quote]
I actually am pretty bad with the timik the recoil is too much for me

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As weird as it sounds, pretty sure the recoil is why I am good at firing it lol.

(kittenishPond) #15

It is definitely usable. But still inferior. It has the same damage per bullet as the SMG-9, with only a marginally faster fire rate. But a hell of a lot more bloom.[/quote]
Crotzni also has more range, better reload speed (By .1 of a second… but still.) and better DPS.
Also its fire rate is more than marginally faster.

(Ghosthree3) #16

[quote=“kittenishPond;55184”]Crotzni also has more range, better reload speed (By .1 of a second… but still.) and better DPS.
Also its fire rate is more than marginally faster.[/quote]
It has more range before the drop off by 100 units, a total of 1900 units instead of 1800. Not a massive difference. The minimum damage after drop off is the same.

The SMG-9 has an RPM of 619.6 compared to the Crotzni’s 651.1, or 0.097s between bullets compared to 0.092. Again the difference is there…but I think the accuracy of the SMG-9 just outweighs it.

The thing is that yes, on paper the Crotzni has more DPS if we compare assuming equal accuracy on both guns. But the real world accuracy with the SMG-9 is just far more likely to put it above the Crotzni in terms of DPS.

(kittenishPond) #17

[quote=“Ghosthree3;55187”][quote=“kittenishPond;55184”]Crotzni also has more range, better reload speed (By .1 of a second… but still.) and better DPS.
Also its fire rate is more than marginally faster.[/quote]
It has more range before the drop off by 100 units, a total of 1900 units instead of 1800. Not a massive difference. The minimum damage after drop off is the same.

The SMG-9 has an RPM of 619.6 compared to the Crotzni’s 651.1, or 0.097s between bullets compared to 0.092. Again the difference is there…but I think the accuracy of the SMG-9 just outweighs it.[/quote]
30 more rounds per minute is a big deal, anyway you slice it Crotzni has more DPS. It’s down to personal preference. Don’t go around claiming one is superior.

(Ghosthree3) #18

Per minute is 60 times the amount of time a fight should last. 30 times in most situations. So 0.5 or ONE more bullet. You are saying that in an average fight having ONE more bullet fired is better than hitting even just two more before it.

And I will claim that higher accuracy makes a gun superior. If the Crotzni gets its bloom doubled next patch will you still say it’s better because it has higher dps?

(kittenishPond) #19

[quote=“Ghosthree3;55198”]Per minute is 60 times the amount of time a fight should last. 30 times in most situations. So 0.5 or ONE more bullet. You are saying that in an average fight having ONE more bullet fired is better than hitting even just two more before it.

And I will claim that higher accuracy makes a gun superior. If the Crotzni gets its bloom doubled next patch will you still say it’s better because it has higher dps?[/quote]
“Oh the Mingun has a faster fire rate than the DE but the DE is better because it’s easier to control”. Exaggeration but it gets my point across, one is not better than the other. There is no definitive answer to “What one is better?”. It comes down to personal preference. Would you rather have accuracy? Or better range and more DPS? Some prefer the K-121, some prefer the M4A1 and some even prefer the BR-16. Different strokes for different folks.

(Ghosthree3) #20

I’m going to stop replying because this literally hurts my head. Yes one is better. Not gonna say which one it is but something is always better than another thing unless they are identical. Also again, it doesn’t have more DPS in most real gameplay. Unless you’re fighting point blank in which case your range argument is negated.

To use another set of guns in a similar situation. Let’s look at the M4 vs the TIMIK. One has more range, the other has tighter spread. Now one of these guns is almost globally accepted as better. But I dunno, maybe they’re wrong because it’s just personal preference.