I’m going to stop replying because this literally hurts my head. Yes one is better. Not gonna say which one it is but something is always better than another thing unless they are identical. Also again, it doesn’t have more DPS in most real gameplay. Unless you’re fighting point blank in which case your range argument is negated.
To use another set of guns in a similar situation. Let’s look at the M4 vs the TIMIK. One has more range, the other has tighter spread. Now one of these guns is almost globally accepted as better. But I dunno, maybe they’re wrong because it’s just personal preference.[/quote]
[quote=“kittenishPond;55214”][quote=“Ghosthree3;55207”][quote=“kittenishPond;55205”]one is not better than the other. There is no definitive answer to “What one is better?”. It comes down to personal preference. Would you rather have accuracy? Or better range and more DPS?[/quote]
I’m going to stop replying because this literally hurts my head. Yes one is better. Not gonna say which one it is but something is always better than another thing unless they are identical. Also again, it doesn’t have more DPS in most real gameplay. Unless you’re fighting point blank in which case your range argument is negated.
To use another set of guns in a similar situation. Let’s look at the M4 vs the TIMIK. One has more range, the other has tighter spread. Now one of these guns is almost globally accepted as better. But I dunno, maybe they’re wrong because it’s just personal preference.[/quote]
Oh and it does come down to preference. if you prefer the SMG-9 then good for you.
Edit: Oh and 10/10 use of incorrect spam flag yet again! My comment screws up incorrectly displaying my comment, then the servers crash for a minute and I am unable to fix it. Doing a good job btw.
Triple posting is spam. It’s even spammier when you literally repeat the same shit you posted 4 posts ago. You clearly know how to edit so there’s no excuse. Posting a giant meme tier reaction image in response to an argument you were clearly unable to come up with words exists is also spam and doesn’t belong on a forum. Go to 4chan if you want to do that.
I know how to use flags correctly, please stop shitposting.
EDIT: Oh, and going back through all the posts specifically to disagree/dislike them because I rattled you is just sad.
[quote=“Ghosthree3;55222”]Triple posting is spam. It’s even spammier when you literally repeat the same shit you posted 4 posts ago. You clearly know how to edit so there’s no excuse. Posting a giant meme tier reaction image in response to an argument you were clearly unable to come up with words exists is also spam and doesn’t belong on a forum. Go to 4chan if you want to do that.
I know how to use flags correctly, please stop shitposting.[/quote]
2nd post was an accident, meant to be an edit but whatever. 3rd post was as well. I have no idea why I mistake quote for edit sometimes but I do, it’s a flaw, I apologize. The image was a valid response, I had no words so an image would have to do, plus you already stated you would not respond so what would be the point of a rebuttal?. As for the repeated 4 posts ago shit, I could say the same about you. You clearly do not know how to use flags correctly, that hurts everyone. Oh and to you, please stop shitposting.
Yeah, going to side with kitten on this issue. >_>’ Also calm down people. Accidents happened, it’s clearly been fixed and everyone in this thread needs to take a chill pill.
Avoiding the need to use a compelling argument thinking an image will auto win them an argument is neither an accident or good conduct on a discussion forum.
I just can’t get over the fact that he actually thinks ‘personal preference’ trumps empirical data. Like there are some guns I prefer to others, such as the Blish to the Kek. But I’m not stupid enough to try and say it’s better. Clearly the Kek is the better gun, I just don’t like it.
Avoiding the need to use a compelling argument thinking an image will auto win them an argument is neither an accident or good conduct on a discussion forum.
I just can’t get over the fact that he actually thinks ‘personal preference’ trumps empirical data. Like there are some guns I prefer to others, such as the Blish to the Kek. But I’m not stupid enough to try and say it’s better. Clearly the Kek is the better gun, I just don’t like it.[/quote]
My last comment on this subject as clearly you are an immovable object. I didn’t think a picture would “win me the argument”. You clearly stated you were not going to respond again, so why waste my time refuting if the argument was already over? I put the picture there as you tried to “win the argument” by not responding. I didn’t say the Crotzni is better than the SMG-9 overall, I stated it has better stats apart from the accuracy which can be a huge deal for people, leaving it down to players choice. The accident came in the multiple comments, I do have a flaw where I use the quote button instead of edit and don’t pick up on it until it’s too late. I am sorry for this, but seeing as I cannot delete comments I try to make the best of an accident.
Also I could very well flag you for abuse seeing as you indirectly called me stupid, thanks by the way, but that won’t get us anywhere will it?
Avoiding the need to use a compelling argument thinking an image will auto win them an argument is neither an accident or good conduct on a discussion forum.
I just can’t get over the fact that he actually thinks ‘personal preference’ trumps empirical data. Like there are some guns I prefer to others, such as the Blish to the Kek. But I’m not stupid enough to try and say it’s better. Clearly the Kek is the better gun, I just don’t like it.[/quote]
Except personal prefernce DOES trump the data. The only time the data is 100% useful is in 100% perfect situations where both parties are of perfectly equal skill and there are perfectly equal circumstances that give no inherient advantage to one person or the other, thus leaving the last deciding factor to be there guns…(which in that case, the crotz would still win.)
Anyone who has ever theorycrafted anything will be the first to inform you numbers on paper do not often line up with results in real time and that is because results on paper cannot take into account all the variables of actual gameplay, that is just how it is. Using one of your examples, the m4 vs the timik…
Yes, on paper the M4 is better in damn near everyway except for a very marginal dps lead on the timik due to a very slight RoF difference. In all written circumstances, the timik should lose out and no one should use the timik. However in actual practice, you have weird people like me. I can’t use the m4. I can’t hit anything or kill anything with the m4. I just can’t. i’ve tried, I’ve used it for over fifty-sixty games now and it’s not ever going to happen. That is fact and results in the actual game.
However, with a timik I do just fine. I go on rampages, aces and all that good fun stuff with the timik. Now, why is that and how is it possible? Who the fuck actually knows, simple numbers aren’t enough to explain it but variables in play style and the enviormental (in game, obviously) variables set it up to where the timik is better for me in every single situation, simply due to how I play, mouse control, etc, etc, etc, etc,. Because of factors such as these, personal preference would be the timik and because of that the timik is actually better.
Emperical data is not everything and never will be. If it was then (using a cs:go example here.) no one would ever use the CZ or the P2000 in professional tournaments, but those are very often used. That is a fact. What you’re comfortable with and can shoot is what makes a gun better or worse for the player and that trumps whatever sheet paper says any day of the week.
Data is there to help make choices and to inform, but data does not decide what is actually better. Not unless you have a way to cover every single variable in the game that is…which you don’t.
If you’d actually read all of the posts I made you’d know unlike him who in fact WAS using only ‘paper’ numbers to compare the guns I was the one who noted spoke more in terms of real world usage. On paper the Crotzni is better. But the fact that in the actual game the accuracy of the SMG-9 more than makes up for a single bullet in a fight puts it above the Crotzni.
If both guns had the same accuracy then yes, the Crotzni is clearly better. However after the recent nerfs, even with 100% crosshair accuracy the SMG-9 is going to perform better than the Crotzni except in extremely close fights. In those close fights the Crotzni will kill 1 bullet faster than the SMG-9.
With the comparison of the M4 and the TIMIK. The M4 is far more accurate, everyone knows this, and that’s the whole reason it’s better than the TIMIK. If they had equal accuracy then the TIMIK would be the better weapon. But they don’t, not by a long shot. The fact that you can hit more with the TIMIK than the M4 tells me that you benefit more from bullets being further away from you crosshair than closer to it.
If you’d actually read all of the posts I made you’d know unlike him who in fact WAS using only ‘paper’ numbers to compare the guns I was the one who noted spoke more in terms of real world usage. On paper the Crotzni is better. But the fact that in the actual game the accuracy of the SMG-9 more than makes up for a single bullet in a fight puts it above the Crotzni.
[i]Same, disproven stuff as above, along with a personal attack[/i]
If both guns had the same accuracy then yes, the Crotzni is clearly better. However after the recent nerfs, even with 100% crosshair accuracy the SMG-9 is going to perform better than the Crotzni except in extremely close fights. In those close fights the Crotzni will kill 1 bullet faster than the SMG-9.
[i]Except it won’t cause accuracy is easily accounted and controlled[/i]
With the comparison of the M4 and the TIMIK. The M4 is far more accurate, everyone knows this, and that’s the whole reason it’s better than the TIMIK. If they had equal accuracy then the TIMIK would be the better weapon. But they don’t, not by a long shot. The fact that you can hit more with the TIMIK than the M4 tells me that you benefit more from bullets being further away from you crosshair than closer to it.
[i]Not really, because I can still laser people down with things like the Kek no problem and rock on arty’s semi-rifle. My crosshairs are fine.[/i][/quote]
Welp i’m done discussing this either way. All you wanna be is right and hopefully a mod will come and close this thread soon since you’re just turning it into a pointless argument.
If you’d actually read all of the posts I made you’d know unlike him who in fact WAS using only ‘paper’ numbers to compare the guns I was the one who noted spoke more in terms of real world usage. On paper the Crotzni is better. But the fact that in the actual game the accuracy of the SMG-9 more than makes up for a single bullet in a fight puts it above the Crotzni.
If both guns had the same accuracy then yes, the Crotzni is clearly better. However after the recent nerfs, even with 100% crosshair accuracy the SMG-9 is going to perform better than the Crotzni except in extremely close fights. In those close fights the Crotzni will kill 1 bullet faster than the SMG-9.
With the comparison of the M4 and the TIMIK. The M4 is far more accurate, everyone knows this, and that’s the whole reason it’s better than the TIMIK. If they had equal accuracy then the TIMIK would be the better weapon. But they don’t, not by a long shot. The fact that you can hit more with the TIMIK than the M4 tells me that you benefit more from bullets being further away from you crosshair than closer to it.[/quote]
I lied, imma comment again. I was making a case for the Crotzni, that it’s better then you were giving it credit for. Best way to do this was numbers, sure I could have thrown in some in-game examples, should have but hey, hindsight is 20/20 eh? Also here you go again. Pretending your opinion is fact, deluding yourself even farther. Crotzni and SMG-9 are different guns, with different purpose, different usage, different stats and they feel different. Let me say this one more time, It’s down to personal preference. One is not better than the other. This is the point I have been making and the one you have been ignoring. Please, stop passing off your opinion as fact. It is not.
If you’d actually read all of the posts I made you’d know unlike him who in fact WAS using only ‘paper’ numbers to compare the guns I was the one who noted spoke more in terms of real world usage. On paper the Crotzni is better. But the fact that in the actual game the accuracy of the SMG-9 more than makes up for a single bullet in a fight puts it above the Crotzni.
[i]Same, disproven stuff as above, along with a personal attack[/i]
If both guns had the same accuracy then yes, the Crotzni is clearly better. However after the recent nerfs, even with 100% crosshair accuracy the SMG-9 is going to perform better than the Crotzni except in extremely close fights. In those close fights the Crotzni will kill 1 bullet faster than the SMG-9.
[i]Except it won’t cause accuracy is easily accounted and controlled[/i]
With the comparison of the M4 and the TIMIK. The M4 is far more accurate, everyone knows this, and that’s the whole reason it’s better than the TIMIK. If they had equal accuracy then the TIMIK would be the better weapon. But they don’t, not by a long shot. The fact that you can hit more with the TIMIK than the M4 tells me that you benefit more from bullets being further away from you crosshair than closer to it.
[i]Not really, because I can still laser people down with things like the Kek no problem and rock on arty’s semi-rifle. My crosshairs are fine.[/i][/quote]
Welp i’m done discussing this either way. All you wanna be is right and hopefully a mod will come and close this thread soon since you’re just turning it into a pointless argument. [/quote]
You’re right, this is seriously pointless. Don’t know why I bothered to comment further on the subject but hey, I’m stubborn. Thanks for the back-up crouton. I’m done commenting on this subject. (Also he really does not know how to use flags correctly as he flagged for abuse my comment where all I said negative was I asked him to stop shit posting right after he asked me to.)
See here you demonstrate you don’t know what you’re talking about. Recoil is easily controlled. Bloom is not. Such bullshit hurts to read. The only way to compensate with bloom if your aim is on point is to get lucky.
Then you’ll hit more bullets with the M4 than the TIMIK.
Because unlike me you don’t want to be ‘right’ at all. I’m perfectly comfortable being wrong, but so far I have seen no reason to be so. I am attempting to objectively explain my opinion on the subject at hand and so far all I’m getting in response are shitposts, ‘muh preference’ and misinformation.
I never said it was bad, simply that it is ever so slightly worse than the SMG-9.
Yes all those facts about the stats of the weapons were actually opinion.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree. Accuracy trumps your preference of dealing 1 bullet of damage quicker.
Lmao, I only flagged you twice, both times for spam. Nice paranoia though.
Flagging THIS is an abuse of the flag system. Clearly you still don’t know what you’re doing.
See here you demonstrate you don’t know what you’re talking about. Recoil is easily controlled. Bloom is not. Such bullshit hurts to read. The only way to compensate with bloom if your aim is on point is to get lucky.
Then you’ll hit more bullets with the M4 than the TIMIK.
No, this is actually a discussion not a pointless argument. Or at least for the most part. Clearly you need to be educated on several things as demonstrated by your lack of knowledge of bloom, so this thread serves a purpose.[/quote]
I don’t see the point of attacking crouton. It really isn’t mature.
Also my time on this forum is done here, I thought it would be fun interacting with the community but I have met an overwhelming amount of negative, rude people and very few positive, nice people, crouton being one of the few nice people. Ghost, mainly you and nail have made this a very unpleasant experience for me. In a way however I should thank you. I am removing myself from this fairly toxic forum community before it hinders my view on the game. Have a great day.
Glad to see you go. I don’t know why I even bothered to argue with such an unreasonable person to begin with. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
EDIT: Please note the huge edits in the post above too. Missed the follow up posts when I originally posted, had to go back and answer.
Glad to see you go. I don’t know why I even bothered to argue with such an unreasonable person to begin with. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.[/quote]
I’m sorry I gotta respond to this… I just have to, it’s too perfect. You sum up the reason why I am leaving, heavily toxic people and you make the most ironic, hypocritical statement I have seen by calling me an unreasonable person. Alright, unless you wish to make anymore asinine statements that are perfect for pointing out your toxicity and stubbornness. I’m out.
