Great ET gunners are made from...

(Ubiquitous) #1

As a long time Wolfenstein player, I can hold my own on most servers, getting a fairly decent kill ratio, and have above average accuracy. I can school some people fairly easily, but can struggle against some of the better gunners in the game. Occasionally I have been accused of cheating, which I always take as a compliment. As a player who only uses minor cvar adjustments to compensate for my lousy PC and video card, any accusations directed towards me always make me laugh. However, I wanted to take this idea to the masses… What accounts for the differential in skill between players in ET?

(DrGratis) #2

Uh I didn’t vote cause I dont think you have an option that is right…

I think that skilled players prob do have decent PC and vidcards (or maximize their FPS as best they can without)

But really its learning tactics, learning what to expect, good use of sidesteping, and working within the limitations of your weapon (short bursts, use Panzer, flamer, and MG where they work not elsewhere…)

Its skills not crazy hand eye (but that is learned too)

(weasel) #3

Here’s my advice.

[ul][li]Practice. If you play once a week, you might get good, but you’ll never get great.
[/li][li]Learn how to put yourself in situations where you have the advantage. Don’t just run blindly through the map. Use the little passageways and dark corners.
[/li][li]Practice. Camp out with the panzer, and you’ll never improve. Panzer is fine, but DO something with it.
[/li][li]Use the right tool for the job. No close range panzering. No undeployed MG-42. The pistol isn’t just a backup weapon, it can be useful even with ammo for your primary. Get good at using it.
[/li][li]Practice. Don’t run the same plays every time. Try out some new strategies. Maybe they’ll work, maybe they won’t.
[/li][li]Learn to play all the classes, not just your favorite. It’s easier to defend yourself if you know what’s going through the other guy’s head.
[/li][*]And most importantly, practice. I can’t stress that one enough. Just play the game, and you’ll improve.[/ul]

(Borsuk) #4

What about “tactics” or “teamplay” poll options ?

(weasel) #5

Yeah, poll’s also missing “not being Borsuk”.

(DrGratis) #6

Oh NO! I agree with Borsuk? :smiley:

(SCDS_reyalP) #7

Where is the ‘practice’ option. IMO, that is the most important thing.

Tweaks help a little, but if you believe they are what makes the great guns so good, you are flat out wrong. Go look at some of the old qcon demos, or the current qcon qualifiers. It shows pretty clearly that the top players in the world are pretty ****ing impressive even on stock configs.

Good FPS and good ping help, but they won’t turn an average player into a great one.

Practice isn’t just about having your crosshair exactly where you want it, it is about knowing the whole game instinctivly. Where to shoot and actually hit, How much you have to lead for lag, what a player is likely to do.

(jmfaust) #8

As the saying goes: “It’s the man, not the machine”

And like others have said practice is key. I will admit that when Wolf:ET came out I had not played an FPS since Unreal: Tournament (the original)… yep a n00b shudder. But playing 5+ nights a week for all too many hours each night has made me… decent. Oh, and reading forums for new ideas, and a few FAQs/Guides initially go a long way to not make you stand out as a n00b.

That reminds me of another saying: “Practice makes perfect” :stuck_out_tongue:

(fat boost) #9

personally, I don’t even use cvar/config stuff, because the difference (to me at least) is minimal at best.

I’ve noticed myself getting nominally better over time, I was quite awful when I started playing Wolf with Q3A being the only other FPS I’d ever played, but I think now I could be classified as “decent”.

Anyway, the point of this post is that I’m running possibly the worst system in Wolf and I do ok, I think it’s more strategy/skills that make the great players great.

(Freedom[]Tickler) #10

DM skillz < Team skillz

smart beats leet

avoid fire fights and concentrate on objectives

but thats only if you wanna win … if youre a stats whore - I suggest practicing alot and having a fast rig : )

(Ubiquitous) #11

You are missing the point of the topic and poll. I can compete with most players, even on Locked Box and other “elite” servers. I have practiced a lot since I have played since the game was first released (Vanilla RTCW). While my aim is above average, and I usually get positive ratios, there is always someone out there with tighter aim. This thread is about aiming and skills developed via practice, and improving even beyond that via cvar tweaking and scripting.

I KNOW ET and RTCW are team based games. I have played in successful clans. I have noticed people that use sensitivity scripts, where they use a low sensitivity for long range aim, and a higher sensitivity for close up battles. I know people that use maximum jump scripts. People tweak m_pitch and other cvars, which I personally consider “cheap”, but I will never call it cheating. I am simply trying to gauge from players here what they think makes the biggest difference between the elite players out there, and the rest.

(DG) #12
  1. practice
  2. practice
  3. practice
  4. practice
  5. practice
  6. intelligence
  7. hand to eye co-ordination
  8. ping
  9. fps
  10. hardware + peripherals

Of course all of those can ruin it aswell, having an IQ of 10 probably wont get you as far as turning on the PC, and youre not beating anyone with 500 ping and 5 fps. If your ball mouse is so clogged up with dirt the ball doesnt move, they youer stuck with keyboard and well, good luck :smiley:

In ET there is very very little scope for tweaking for enhanced visability, unlike RTCW where tweaking could be anywhere in the latter half there, which is why PB is used heavily to restrict it. Some ET players do not only have the practice of several hours a day of ET, but an additional 18 months of the same with RTCW, a very similar game.

(Rippin Kitten) #13

I think its just understanding the game. I could tell you that shooting above prone players will score headshots and you might be better knowing this. But understanding why this happens will be far more useful to you as a player. Having a complete understanding of the game and its mechanics will go a long way to making you a better player.

RK

(polka) #14

IMHO aim is maybe 90% experience, 10% hardware =P
Low fps and lag or even a jerky mouse can ruin your aim.

The biggest factor is and always will be experience gotten through hours and hours spent on FPS-gaming.
People accusing you of cheating when you sometimes happen to “go Neo on them” dont wanna hear that you spent several hours a week for the past 5-6 years developing your aim, its easier to cry aimbot =)

As someone mentioned earlier its also about movement and anticipating where you will encounter the enemy. If you know they are coming around the corner you can “start aiming” before you even see them =)
It’s a hell of a lot easier to adjust your crosshair an inch and fire than spin around 180 degrees after recieving a few bullets in the back and try to hit your enemy.
Sound such as footsteps is an important factor too often ignored.

(Ifurita) #15

experience and hand-eye coordination are the biggest factors. Most of the really gross tweaks that let you strip away foliage or lock weapons at headshot level have been restricted by most of the major US leagues

(Majin) #16

You list things that have nothing to do with skill as reason people are more skillful?

And just in case you use a mouse with a ball:

SPEND 15 BUCKS AND GET A OPTICAL MOUSE

(Hanlon) #17

Personally I have an optic mouse, but I would rather use a mouse w/ a ball then a $15 dollar optic mouse, it’s one of those things where if you’re not going to buy a nice one, you probably shouldn’t buy one

(Majin) #18

You can easily get a good optical mouse by logitech for $15-20.

(BlackDeath) #19

Great players have a type of “instinct”

They know where players will be before they are actually there, allowing them to aim right at head level when they come out…

I know it sounds fictional, but its real…

Be if this instinct is born and brought out by intensive practice, or if everyone has an equal chance of gaining it trough practice, no one knows.

Cvar tweaking) phewh, yeah right…

B_D

(Wraith2k3) #20

A $15 optical mouse is still better than a ball-mouse. You don’t have to spend $80 or something on the latest and greatest. Wireless mice are a slightly different story though.

I’d say it’s a combination of intelligence and practice. Any intelligent player can get as good as some of the “leet” clanners out there with enough practice.

Common-sense is a factor too. It’s surprising how many people in this game seem to lack it. With no common sense, you’re not getting anywhere.