[QUOTE=Nefarious;337812]No and NO!
The last thing I want to see is a bunch of light bodytype female toons in pink and purple running around in abundence knocking down Male Heavys with melee attacks. It will be visually stupid.[/QUOTE]
How about if they were kicked between the uprights during the slide tackle, and the standing melee attack is a kick right to the baby makers?
There are thousands of woman wich could kick the ass from everyone in this forum here with ease, in real life. We got female martial arts fighter, boxer, weight lifter, soldiers and cops. I even saw R.Lee Ermey’s(Gunnery Sergeant Hartman) ass wiped by a female championship shooter. He’s also a championship shooter, but it took him twice as long to clear a close quarter simulator on a shooting ranch as it took her. It was in Lock N’ Load and he was quite piessed. And since Brink is 70% shooting, 28% 'nadeing and maybe 2 percent melee the gender is not very important to succeed.
Maybe such women are an exeption, but those kind of men are also. Or is anyone in this forum really keen of going to war, being threatend by criminals or getting punched in the face? Nope? But there are millions of gals out there wich do this for a living, whilst we are sitting in front of our screens and are pickin on our keybords. Know what I mean?
More than 50% of the worlds population is female, millions of them like to play video games as well, and many of them even play shooter games. So where is the point where it doesn’t make sense to implement female characters?
I understood SD’s decision and my post isn’t directed to SD, but to all you Mr.knows it all’s. Take a look at Mass Effect and all the other SP RPGs, yes, they are very different from Brink, but since development efforts are seemingly an issue for all you wanna be devs in this thread, its achieveable to implement both genders. And Brink is “only” MP. Think about this, every line spoken from male Shepard has to be spoken from a female too and we are talking about a crap amount of lines, not compareable to Brink. And thats only the dialogue.
And since SD talked about changing the genre, this could’ve been an opportunity for them too. It would have made Brink the first big shooter with regular(not from SDK) fem chars.
Nevertheless, I understand SD, but not you naysayer. People like you are keeping the devs from even trying to do something new, since you like nothing more than the stuff you allready have.
“Please nothing new.”
If you only bitch loud enough, the most devs will hear it and act accordingly, but if you say nothing or even “you are right by not doing so”, they won’t fix or change anything. Why should they. Its because of people like you that they didn’t implemented Fems.
[QUOTE=.FROST.;337856]There are thousands of woman wich could kick the ass from everyone in this forum here with ease, in real life. We got female martial arts fighter, boxer, weight lifter, soldiers and cops. I even saw R.Lee Ermey’s(Gunnery Sergeant Hartman) ass wiped by a female championship shooter. He’s also a championship shooter, but it took him twice as long to clear a close quarter simulator on a shooting ranch as it took her. It was in Lock N’ Load and he was quite piessed. And since Brink is 70% shooting, 28% 'nadeing and maybe 2 percent melee the gender is not very important to succeed.
Maybe such women are an exeption, but those kind of men are also. Or is anyone in this forum really keen of going to war, being threatend by criminals or getting punched in the face? Nope? But there are millions of gals out there wich do this for a living, whilst we are sitting in front of our screens and are pickin on our keybords. Know what I mean?
More than 50% of the worlds population is female, millions of them like to play video games as well, and many of them even play shooter games. So where is the point where it doesn’t make sense to implement female characters?
I understood SD’s decision and my post isn’t directed to SD, but to all you Mr.knows it all’s. Take a look at Mass Effect and all the other SP RPGs, yes, they are very different from Brink, but since development efforts are seemingly an issue for all you wanna be devs in this thread, its achieveable to implement both genders. And Brink is “only” MP. Think about this, every line spoken from male Shepard has to be spoken from a female too and we are talking about a crap amount of lines, not compareable to Brink. And thats only the dialogue.
And since SD talked about changing the genre, this could’ve been an opportunity for them too. It would have made Brink the first big shooter with regular(not from SDK) fem chars.
Nevertheless, I understand SD, but not you naysayer. People like you are keeping the devs from even trying to do something new, since you like nothing more than the stuff you allready have.
“Please nothing new.”
If you only bitch loud enough, the most devs will hear it and act accordingly, but if you say nothing or even “you are right by not doing so”, they won’t fix or change anything. Why should they. Its because of people like you that they didn’t implemented Fems.[/QUOTE]
Women have cooties.
Defeat that argument.
Before I was against it, mainly because who really cares what gender they play in a FPS? And guys wanting to play as girls…
But then I got to thinking, and I can be tea bagging those female enemies instead of the males. I mean, getting your balls sucked is getting your balls sucked - theres nothing gay about that. But if I can do it to a female… :stroggbanana:
“We” also have those. And more of them. Much, much, much, more.
lol @ “martial arts fighter”
Sry, I’m german. The direct translation from the german term “Kampfsportlerin” would be “fighting sportswoman”. I don’t know if that sounds better. How is it actually called?
Back to topic. I can see that no one of you has a real argument against fems. Only the expected macho BS.
I’m all for women in Brink, as long as it doesn’t compromise anything else. Female gamers are a minority, especially for shooters, and that’s a fact. I don’t blame SD for making a design choice more suited to their target audience, and the target audience of the genre as a whole.
[QUOTE=FoFifth;337970]Before I was against it, mainly because who really cares what gender they play in a FPS? And guys wanting to play as girls…
But then I got to thinking, and I can be tea bagging those female enemies instead of the males. I mean, getting your balls sucked is getting your balls sucked - theres nothing gay about that. But if I can do it to a female… :stroggbanana:
[/QUOTE]
Wow…this thread didn’t go to the f***ing gutter…
I happen to agree with more inclusions of the female persuasions in games these days. Its actually surprising to me how many gamettes are actually out there. Wish my missus would take a leaf out of your books!
However, in this situation, I’m inclined to think that pushing for female characters in this game is a futile notch in the Gaming Gender Equality Movement.
There is ZERO character development in this game. You play this game for multiplayer matchmaking…and that’s it. Halo: Reach had more character development than this game and you never saw your characters face!
So to request a female avatar in this game as DLC is really a waste of code. The novelty may be there, but to mo-cap, code and throw cash at that project would be a poor financial move on SDs part.
Hell, if they can do that, can you please add a non-working chainsaw attachment to my Gerund and give me Altair’s costume from Assassin’s Creed to wear? Because that is an awesome novelty from my perspective.
This is not to say that female avatars should not be included in Brink 2. I say the lady gamers should be recognized next time round…but how about with some gender specific storyline and character development to boot!
In the mean time, new maps, weapons, levelling and a lobby system are the MAIN things SD should be working on now. They may be No-name/No-personality characters, but let’s make them more fun to play with.
I agree that having both genders would have been awesome.
I also agree with SD about why they cut the fairer sex from the customization.
I would love to see it included in the future especially if it brings in more gamers.
At the end of the day the physical customisation is a small part of the game and you barely see it in-game. If you haven’t played the game because of this I suggest you give it a chance while letting SD know your feelings. Hopefully they’ll be able to show their publishers that it’s not a waste of money in the future and we’ll get full Boy & Girl customization in the future.
I totally want to see hard rock gamer punk chicks kicking ass in the game. It would just bring an extra dimension of realism and fun to the game. I am optomistic for the future.
it’s just that women in game = more models + customizations appearances + voice acting = some money to put in, and only for a possibly minor benefit in terms of sales and community.
I would love to see women in brink too, but that’s absolutely not a primary concern right now. If there was only women in the beginning, maybe the problem would have been solved.
Or make an add-on with a third faction called the Amazon 
TL;DR yet again.
There are NO FEMALES in BRINK and the reason for that is time and money.
Everybody happy?
You can’t see your own char, but especially at your respective spawn site you can see all the others. Not as fine textured like in the customization window, but it adds to the atmosphere and tone of the game. Your fellow men definitely aren’t your modern warfare soldiers. Maybe ArcSec sometimes a little bit, but it depends.
And look at it more from a fun perspective and less from a feminism point of view. Its not only an equal rights thing. Consider a 240 pound valkyrie with a gatling gun, or a XXS light fem wich runs around like crazy, carrying only a knife, a SMG and the ability to hack double as fast as her male counterparts. Maybe the fem medic can heal others faster too. And the Op’s disguise holds a little longer since they are better with makeup in RL too. Maybe the disguise lasts a certain amount of time regardless if she’s interacting or shooting. Stuff like that would be fun.
No! Models should be cosmetic only (other than body type of course). After just posting about how women are just as good as men at everything you turn around and say something like “since they are better with makeup in RL too” :rolleyes:
Yes. It would be great if there was a gender option in the game.
No there currently isn’t an option.
Do SD know how many people want it? By now, Yes they do.
Are they in a position currently to add it? No they are not.
I think it’s typical for the current subject that the proponent’s think they’ll get their way if they just keep bringing it up and start drama over it. :stroggbanana:
[QUOTE=.FROST.;337991]Sry, I’m german. The direct translation from the german term “Kampfsportlerin” would be “fighting sportswoman”. I don’t know if that sounds better. How is it actually called?
Back to topic. I can see that no one of you has a real argument against fems. Only the expected macho BS.[/QUOTE]
Ummmm wow your just like all the others, you skip over the posts that have the arguements and focus on only the ones you feel you can debunk. Please feel free to re read my post on this topic and get back to me with your answers cause no one else has thus far.
People like you piss me off the most on sites like this, nothin worse then repeating your self over and over only to have it all get ignored and then see others claim there is no arguements or valid points being made. Lol I am still waiting for valid arguements to show me I am wrong. But I guess its easy to make our point by not acknowledging the people who have valid disputes and just spouting off that it should be done and would be soooooo easy despite zero info to back that up.
Maybe YOU should take a more objective look at the idea as it stands now and re think your points and arguements so you dont sound like a 5 year old crying to get Ice Cream before dinner is even finished being made.
[QUOTE=zenstar;338162]No! Models should be cosmetic only (other than body type of course). After just posting about how women are just as good as men at everything you turn around and say something like “since they are better with makeup in RL too” :rolleyes:
Yes. It would be great if there was a gender option in the game.
No there currently isn’t an option.
Do SD know how many people want it? By now, Yes they do.
Are they in a position currently to add it? No they are not.[/QUOTE]
OH-MY-GOD, this was just a quick example. Really, only a example nothing more.I’m not a developer and I just wanted to say that it don’t has to be only cosmetic. The three male body types have also differen’t abilities. And women differ from males even greater, at least thats what I know.
You may say nope, the lighter ones can only carry light weapons, thats not an additional abilitie. That may be right, but you can see it also the other way, the fatties are slow, but they have the additional abilitie to carry extremely heavy weapons, to even their draw backs. So you’d need to make something in the other direction too. Maybe increase the running speed and maybe the interaction times of a very vulnerable XXS fem char. Wouldn’t that make sense?(caution, the above is only an example. caution, don’t take it to literally, caution, caution…)
And even though I don’t consider myself a great macho man I have to admit that you need to put a little sterotypical stuff into a game. Say the lighter, the faster, the more vulnerable. But to keep even the very light fem attractive to play, she needs to be better in some abilities, otherwise it would make no sense to chose a women even for female players. Again, I’m not a dev and I don’t have the time to think about every post I make for 3 years, the time it may take devs to consider all the gameplay elements.
I don’t get your problem. Whether they give it to us or not. Is it your problem, does it hurt you, I don’t understand this narrow minded naysaying. Sorry, but thats completly beyond me.
If SD would say, you can have three fem chars(light, medium, heavy) for free. Would you still reject it?
[QUOTE=.FROST.;338153]You can’t see your own char, but especially at your respective spawn site you can see all the others. Not as fine textured like in the customization window, but it adds to the atmosphere and tone of the game. Your fellow men definitely aren’t your modern warfare soldiers. Maybe ArcSec sometimes a little bit, but it depends.
And look at it more from a fun perspective and less from a feminism point of view. Its not only an equal rights thing. Consider a 240 pound valkyrie with a gatling gun, or a XXS light fem wich runs around like crazy, carrying only a knife, a SMG and the ability to hack double as fast as her male counterparts. Maybe the fem medic can heal others faster too. And the Op’s disguise holds a little longer since they are better with makeup in RL too. Maybe the disguise lasts a certain amount of time regardless if she’s interacting or shooting. Stuff like that would be fun.[/QUOTE]
AMAZING!!! Stop, just stop now, your really hurting your cause and case with garbage like that… Really shows you have put almost zero thought into this and just want to blurt out random things you want to see in the game. JUST STOP!
Sorry, Oschino, but I can’t compete with your anger and hatred. I’ve read your previous posts and comparing the exclusion of fem chars in Brink with a due mars mission is a little…ähm…far streched.
I have the impression, your head will explode everytime soon. But I know a cure for it. Take plastic bag, put in ice cubes and than hold it to your forehead. It works, promise.
[QUOTE=.FROST.;338193]OH-MY-GOD, this was just a quick example. Really, only a example nothing more.I’m not a developer and I just wanted to say that it don’t has to be only cosmetic. The three male body types have also differen’t abilities. And women differ from males even greater, at least thats what I know.
You may say nope, the lighter ones can only carry light weapons, thats not an additional abilitie. That may be right, but you can see it also the other way, the fatties are slow, but they have the additional abilitie to carry extremely heavy weapons, to even the draw backs of the heavys. So you’d need to make something in the other direction too. Maybe increase the running speed and maybe the interaction times of a very vulnerable XXS fem char. Wouldn’t that make sense?(caution, the above is only an example. caution, don’t take it to literally, caution, caution…)
And even though I don’t consider myself a great macho man I have to admit that you need to put a little sterotypical stuff into a game. Say the lighter, the faster, the vulnerable. But to keep even the very light fem attractive to play, she needs to be better in some abilities, otherwise it would make no sense to chose a women even for female players. Again, I’m not a dev and I don’t have the time to think about every post I make for 3 years, the time it may take devs to consider all the gameplay elements.
I don’t get your problem. Whether they give it to us or not. Is it your problem, does it hurt you, I don’t understand this narrow minded naysaying. Sorry, but thats completly beyond me.
If SD would say, you can have three fem chars(light, medium, heavy) for free. Would you still reject it?[/QUOTE]
Playing male or female is generally a cosmetic deal because in reality it makes very little difference and games shouldn’t force you to play a certain gender just to get a certain skill. If they allow an option then both options should be equal (ie cosmetic models).
I was more pointing out your hypocrisy when you say “women are better at makup IRL” while still trying to maintain the whole “equality” thing. Stereotype much?
“But to keep even the very light fem attractive to play, she needs to be better in some abilities, otherwise it would make no sense to chose a women even for female players.”
Umm… what? Generally women will choose women because they want to play women. You want to identify with your character and being able to play one of your own gender helps you identify. Otherwise this entire thread is pointless because “women can just play male characters. there’s no advantage to playing a girl anyway”. You completely miss the entire purpose of this thread.
“I don’t get your problem. Whether they give it to us or not. Is it your problem, does it hurt you, I don’t understand this narrow minded naysaying.”
Naysaying? You need to bone up on your reading comprehension skills. Go reread my posts. now look back here -> I would love if they could fit in women characters. The only part I was disagreeing on was the “different abilities for women” no matter what those abilities are.
I don’t expect them to do it because it costs lots of time and money. Maybe in a dlc in the future (or brink 2 if they do it) but I would actually like to see it in the game.
[QUOTE=.FROST.;338201]Sorry, Oschino, but I can’t compete with your anger and hatred. I’ve read your previous posts and comparing the exclusion of fem chars in Brink with a due mars mission is a little…ähm…far streched.
I have the impression, your head will explode everytime soon. But I know a cure for it. Take plastic bag, put in ice cubes and than hold it to your forehead. It works, promise.[/QUOTE]
Yeah take the easy road and condense both my previous post into a single analogy i made at the end of the second post, guess thats much easier then providing an arguement to my totally valid and logical points. Youre not goin to get far here just ignoring things you dont want to see and just blabbing on about the same things refusing to see the issuses.
I think we may have another FearlessFox here people, be prepared for a dozen of pages featuring the same exact things on every single page with the topic never progessing past the initial post.