Friendly Fire Coming back for Season Two? Should it even?

(Amerika) #21

I think the game plays better with FF on…like most games. It requires players to learn the game a bit more, be aware of the situations a bit more and it punishes them via TK penalties if they aren’t careful. People pay way more attention overall with FF on. However, I am fine with FF off servers being around. I would like some pubs to be FF on and let people choose what they want. This wouldn’t split the community so much as give people a lot of quality options for what they feel like playing that day.

(Sithas) #22

I think FF fits ranked servers really well, but by the gods keep FF away from pubs, you are deluding yourself if you really think it would be a improvement for pubs, 20+ servers sure, but the rest would become even worse then they are now, it only would result in even more newbies leaving this game. Many new players already have problems with playing decent and using teamworks, giving them the ability to kill their own teammates would be… a disaster.

(watsyurdeal) #23

I vote yes for FF, I actually think it worked well for this game. Especially due to the forgive system.

(GodsMistake) #24

I’m probably alone on this but I think friendly fire should be on at all times. The game tries to be competitive on all levels so friendly fire should be on to separate the skilled shooters from the spray and pray variety. Also, the amount of pub spam would drastically be reduced which I would like to believe would create a more quality pub game and reduce camping (I am a fan of spawn camping, but the spamminess of ff off makes it a headache).

(bontsa) #25

Community servers with ability to choose the FF-on/off. Some public servers too with FF on and we’re golden. While I’d rather had had FF on as a default from the get-go, its too late for that now without causing a PR disaster.

-He says, without reading about half a dozen comments above waving hard for FF-on. Otherwise good points adding to the pile of positives FF-on would bring.

(K1X455) #26

So how do you punish repeat offenders of killing team mates? Automatic 1 century ban?

Those of you who think it’s good for FF to be on in pubs need to learn demographics in age distribution. You might as well start thinking that the legal age for alcohol should be lowered to 14.

(GatoCommodore) #27

“Yo man Chill its just casual games! dont need to be so worked up we just kill you a bit!”

yeah nah no public Friendly Fire fer me

(Nail) #28

I think only little baby learner servers should have FF off, all others should have FF on, I also have spent decades playing with FF on, it’s the way I learned to play

(Jostabeere) #29

As long as they introduce it again without breaking half of the game with bugs because of it, I don’t mind FF in ranked.

(Teflon Love) #30

Same as with people who prefer adventures games or arcade racers: there are plenty of other games for them.

I think FF would focus the gameplay of DB and ease the transition from pubs to ranked.

(Jostabeere) #31

Same as with people who prefer adventures games or arcade racers: there are plenty of other games for them.

I think FF would focus the gameplay of DB and ease the transition from pubs to ranked.
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By your logic you should search a different game now if you like FF.

Sorry to say that, but thinking that people who play DB for DB and not for “a random FPS without FF” should leave the game because they don’t like a mechanic you like, is pretty dumb.

(kopyright) #32

Some days my team couldn’t find the Page Up key if it was biting them in the ass.

(Herr_Hanz) #33

no thanks, im okay with having FF servers, but not forced.

what i would actually like to see is the ability to shoot through my frikin teammates in pubs.

(Xenithos) #34

Perfectly sums up my thoughts on FF. Good one Kelben. :smiley:

I would appreciate maybe a few Pub FF - ON servers though. Maybe min 20s are auto defaulted to ff on? Meh. I’ve had too many games where people step in front of me, even in ranked settings where I end up melting them since my crosshair is usually at head level (sometimes w/o even realizing I killed them until after they’re dead :worried: ).

(LifeupOmega) #35

That’s their fault for being out of position.

(Teflon Love) #36

Hm, seems that came across too harsh. :confused:

My concern mostly is that DB has a certain core gameplay that makes it different to other games. If it starts to has too many options it is seemingly attractive to more players but might fragment the player base and end up being a jack of all trades master of none with few players sticking around.

It would probably be fairly easy to add all possible variants of casual, casual FF, ranked and ranked FF - and while they’re at it, execution and execution FF. And why not team deathmatch with and without FF? Then watch the whole thing for a couple of weeks and see which modes are the commercially most viable (i.e. which mode seels the most cases) and scale it down again. Presto, here’s you big hit! Or does it just get drowned in the sea of other shooters?

I doing that all the time. So far, no success. B)

Warts and all DB is the most enjoyable FPS I found in a while. The majority of FF shooters seem to be slow paced games aiming for a certain realism with even fewer players than DB with long respawn times and a very short TTK (CS, Insurgency, Arma, America’s Army etc) or the 50€ “play now or face empty servers later” yearly CoD variant. But I’m open to suggestion.

(bontsa) #37

[quote=“succinctDeer;32945”]Perhaps they could bring it back but in a more tamed form. While you would do complete damage to enemies perhaps you could only do say 50% damage to friendlies or some variation on that number.
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Don’t quote me on this but I’m pretty certain FF already does lowered dmg on teammates on Ranked. Or then again I can just be atrociously bad at dinkin’ my fellow mercenaries head when my health packs / pulse / station is on cooldown and I want to get them as full hp as possible by kill-rezzing, who knows.

Ranked should definitely keep Friendly Fire. Thats what all the abilities are balanced around, thats what keeps spammy mercs like Fletcher at least somewhat in line and not ridiculous to fight against, thats what lifts both the skill floor and ceiling higher altogether.

If ranked was stripped off from this mechanic, there would be literally no official pub-oriented (because in the end of the day Ranked is just that, glorified public with trinkets as a “price”) way to get used to collision and FF which are always present in proper tourneys and cups. Sure you could always seek for PUGs and bunch up a team and search for scrims, but the bar and effort to get to those games is somewhat higher than grabbing a friend and hitting that button to que for some 5v5 FF action. Not to mention its not immediately evident where to even search those.

So proper introduction to how the game is ment to be played, 5v5 FF on, has to be somewhere officially. At the current moment its Ranked mode only, and thats fine. (Later on I’d love to see 5v5 FF on community servers too but thats for another debate.) 8v8 foolery and all such have their place and fun don’t get me wrong, but those are the scr3w-around modes.

E: Nexon I humbly appreciate Your keenest of efforts in keeping our little verbal communications as cuss- and obscenity- free as possible, but for the love of all that is holy and pure in this mortal realm, how can a simple often metallic utility commonly used keeping objects A and B firmly in place and stuck to each other, be a word requiring such a harsh disposal and damnation?

(RazielWarmonic) #38

Friendly Fire will exist in ranked season 2. :smile:

This is one of the big things that separate casual play from ranked.

(solace_) #39

[quote=“bontsa;210063”][quote=“succinctDeer;32945”]Perhaps they could bring it back but in a more tamed form. While you would do complete damage to enemies perhaps you could only do say 50% damage to friendlies or some variation on that number.
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Don’t quote me on this but I’m pretty certain FF already does lowered dmg on teammates on Ranked. Or then again I can just be atrociously bad at dinkin’ my fellow mercenaries head when my health packs / pulse / station is on cooldown and I want to get them as full hp as possible by kill-rezzing, who knows.

Ranked should definitely keep Friendly Fire. Thats what all the abilities are balanced around, thats what keeps spammy mercs like Fletcher at least somewhat in line and not ridiculous to fight against, thats what lifts both the skill floor and ceiling higher altogether.

If ranked was stripped off from this mechanic, there would be literally no official pub-oriented (because in the end of the day Ranked is just that, glorified public with trinkets as a “price”) way to get used to collision and FF which are always present in proper tourneys and cups. Sure you could always seek for PUGs and bunch up a team and search for scrims, but the bar and effort to get to those games is somewhat higher than grabbing a friend and hitting that button to que for some 5v5 FF action. Not to mention its not immediately evident where to even search those.

So proper introduction to how the game is ment to be played, 5v5 FF on, has to be somewhere officially. At the current moment its Ranked mode only, and thats fine. (Later on I’d love to see 5v5 FF on community servers too but thats for another debate.) 8v8 foolery and all such have their place and fun don’t get me wrong, but those are the scr3w-around modes.

E: Nexon I humbly appreciate Your keenest of efforts in keeping our little verbal communications as cuss- and obscenity- free as possible, but for the love of all that is holy and pure in this mortal realm, how can a simple often metallic utility commonly used keeping objects A and B firmly in place and stuck to each other, be a word requiring such a harsh disposal and damnation?

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yeah, totally agree, FF definitely good for the ranked experience. It would be interesting to know for sure the damage numbers though if there are any to speak of. haha, yeah community servers would be great, would be really fun to tweak different aspects of the game.

(solace_) #40

[quote=“RazielWarmonic;210158”]Friendly Fire will exist in ranked season 2. :smile:

This is one of the big things that separate casual play from ranked. [/quote]

Do you know why FF wasn’t in ranked previous to season one? (I am fairly sure it wasn’t in comp at least…)