For owners of 2.55 Servers

Paul · 2009-09-20 10:55:05 UTC

Servers with the patch suck… It is just impossible to run the patch with punkbuster. So like ETC hacked pb so now it looks like pb is running while you can just go aimbot there =)

evil-uwe · 2009-09-21 18:21:46 UTC

Hi Paul,

ok, when PB is not running with this patch, this is not so good.
But atm I do not know how can I test it with a proof method.
I do not want to search for an Bot and download it.

When I check the values, I only get infos on NQ-Servers, not from the Jaymods.
And Aloysius wrote, in his testing, he get a PB kick from the F|A-Server (NQ-Mod).

The ETc- and Armia-Server are running a longer time with a modded EXE. Longer as Equalone
give his Version free for downloading.
On Armia, there is no warning message about the wrong installed ET-Version for the NQ-Mod. The
first EXE-Version from Equalone, there was no warn message too. In the actual, the message is
there. What have Equalone changed first? I have the old not anymore.

Greets Evil-Uwe

Paul · 2009-09-21 19:05:03 UTC

[QUOTE=evil-uwe;198767]Hi Paul,

ok, when PB is not running with this patch, this is not so good.
But atm I do not know how can I test it with a proof method.
I do not want to search for an Bot and download it.

When I check the values, I only get infos on NQ-Servers, not from the Jaymods.
And Aloysius wrote, in his testing, he get a PB kick from the F|A-Server (NQ-Mod).

The ETc- and Armia-Server are running a longer time with a modded EXE. Longer as Equalone
give his Version free for downloading.
On Armia, there is no warning message about the wrong installed ET-Version for the NQ-Mod. The
first EXE-Version from Equalone, there was no warn message too. In the actual, the message is
there. What have Equalone changed first? I have the old not anymore.

Greets Evil-Uwe[/QUOTE]

Don’t know but as far as I know Etc started running it since it was first released. That it wasn’t posted here doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

Paul · 2009-09-22 15:20:16 UTC

Haha I had a funny one today!

T.C.AMATEURCUPXPSAVEJAYMOD
85.25.9.78:27970

I checked and PB is off, so I said to master admin and he said no its’ on.
Now I’m banned because I kept saying its off in stead of on.

It was really off (\pb_plist + \pb_cvarlist showed nothing). ROFL Lame man this is going to be ****ed up.
Soon more and more servers are using pb hack - so aimbotters can do what they want again

SSF-Sage · 2009-09-22 22:16:54 UTC

Punkbuster provides not much help currently because it was hacked by netcoders, who found out how to get most of the detected cheats working again within just minutes. And they released the info out wild. Also they were able to get a lot of normal players banned/kicked by infecting them with a junk of a code in eg. irc that was banned by pb. So punkbuster had to remove some of the protection. As far as I know pb has not been able to counter it. This happened on march 2008.

YourFather_CZ · 2009-09-22 23:00:53 UTC

[QUOTE=Paul;198833]
T.C.AMATEURCUPXPSAVEJAYMOD
85.25.9.78:27970

I checked and PB is off, so I said to master admin and he said no its’ on.
Now I’m banned because I kept saying its off in stead of on.[/QUOTE]
I have talked with several members of their clan and didn’t know there is PB disabled and they were supprised PB is disabled.

It’s swindle against players who don’t know much about technical part of game.

From matter-of-fact point of view, there are much more disadvantages for players than advantages if they are plaing on 2.55 or on server which allows 2.55 clients.

There real advantages are experiencing server administrators (not players!) only - their servers are filled with players and they are happy.

So it’s not good to see hooked server which allows older clients to connect.
And it’s even worse if it „runs“ fake PunkBuster.

I’ve tried to connect using WolfET ver. 2.34 and didn’t worked - I was unable to join due to „invalid game folder“ error.

stealth6 · 2009-09-22 23:01:07 UTC

punkbuster has never been complete protection so you always need some good admins if you want to keep your servers clean.

but since march 2008 lots of hacks have been detected again, I think atm there are only 4 public bots that are undetected or less and netcoders got hacked recently too so,…

SSF-Sage · 2009-09-22 23:16:36 UTC

[QUOTE=stealth6;198851]punkbuster has never been complete protection so you always need some good admins if you want to keep your servers clean.

but since march 2008 lots of hacks have been detected again, I think atm there are only 4 public bots that are undetected or less and netcoders got hacked recently too so,…[/QUOTE]

Did they find a real way to detect them or same old crap? I think they should have gone wiser by not to detect certain strings. I wonder if this cat and mouse will ever end. There will be sadly always someone who buys a bot.

stealth6 · 2009-09-22 23:21:09 UTC

sam old crap hehe, and no it will never end. But that doesn’t mean you have to use an aimbot or play with aimbots, go to the right servers, as I have said multiple times where i play I rarely see and aimbot and they are mostly banned within 5 minutes MAX. (admin connects, ban, leave)

hellreturn · 2009-09-23 01:33:36 UTC

It’s not only EB that provides help. 99% public hax are detected by PBBANS. If you stream your server to PBBANS you can add CVAR and MD5 scans to your server.

EB can’t provide full cheat detection. It detects most of the old haxes and all new public haxes are detected by md5 or cvar scans. It’s the combination of pbbans and EB that works best.

You can download cheat related scans from here if you are streaming to pbbans.

http://www.pbbans.com/mci.php

They also provide user IP tracking so you can see who got banned where. If you are streaming server and if someone gets busted on your server other streaming server admins can also know he got busted and with what hax.

In the end if you run PB with cvar and md5 scans from PBBANS you are keeping 99% cheaters away from your server.

Private haxes will be hardly detected but they do get detected once a while because even from nC they leak their haxes and submit to EB.

Also, as stealth said nC got hacked and their customer database IP was released few weeks back. Most of the server admins issue IP ban as soon as they see that IP.

PBBANS are doing good job in detecting public and private cheats.

Pegazus · 2009-09-23 06:57:36 UTC

I am quite positive that half the customers have already changed there IPs.

But I agree with Stealth, proper servers, with good admins are the best.

Paul · 2009-09-23 07:43:58 UTC

http://sdu.vdvo.nl/pblist/pblist.php - Hard working on it. Soon on SL/wolfmap article will appear keep waiting for it

If you know good/bad servers please submit them!

Pegazus · 2009-09-23 08:00:46 UTC

[quote=Paul;198871]http://sdu.vdvo.nl/pblist/pblist.php - Hard working on it. Soon on SL/wolfmap article will appear keep waiting for it

If you know good/bad servers please submit them![/quote]

You might have a problem there, if anyone can submit good sites and bad sites, then possibly someone can abuse this for there own fun. You need a security check of some sort.

Paul · 2009-09-23 08:04:36 UTC

If you SUBMIT, as you can see it gets on PENDING. Then it gets checked, and after someone (including me) checked it it’s getting on the list

I checked now some random on the server list and its worse then I thought. I have only 3 now on the good side and more on the bad side. Please suggest some good servers

Pegazus · 2009-09-23 12:45:38 UTC

What I had in mind with that was more like this. Seems your site got abused already, someone dislikes your idea :lol:

I blocked the naughty words, but you should consider a security system. Or only make it possible to be able to add a server with a time limit to avoid spam. Just some suggestions.

Paul · 2009-09-23 14:48:15 UTC

Probably that ETC guy who isn’t happy
I don’t care if he spammes it - just removed. He can also remove his server from that list as soon as he has the patch removed ^^

YourFather_CZ · 2009-09-23 16:50:55 UTC

I was wondering how long will it take until somebody comes and start offending and insulting you.

Here we go:

192.168.0.1	LEARN THE GAME AND THE TECHNICAL PART, NOT ONLY SH*T TALKING IN SD FU**HEAD
192,168,0,1	PAUL YOU SUCK aka SCARY, GET A LIFE AND DONT JUST SERVER IF THEY MAYBE HAVE GOOD ADMIND YOU FU**ING IDIOT
127.0.0.1	THIS LIST IS DUMB AND FOR I**OTS WHO THINK THEY ARE COOL ON SD, **K YOU PAUL AND DIE

(some words has been censored)

It looks somebody has been using fake PB for own needs and he is very unhappy that his act has been reveal. Great shot!

On that page it would be nice if you meake notice it’s list of servers which support v2.55.

evil-uwe · 2009-09-23 17:07:42 UTC

Hi Paul,

when you make a list, how on your site, it is more official

Now for my understanding. How do you check PB on the server, and is it proof?

I check it with pb_cvarval and pb_plist. But now, I do not know if this is a proof method.

I think it is good, when we can see in your PB-Server-List, if the server is joinable with a 2.60b client or not.

Is it not better to test the Servers with the identifier 2.55+ or so, in the 2.55 list, first?

Greets Evil-Uwe

shagileo · 2009-09-23 17:15:07 UTC

Hmm, the SDU PB site is down?

Pegazus · 2009-09-23 17:17:36 UTC

People can be so un-mature. Would be nice to find out who that person is, Scary can you track his IP?

@Shag
Possibly Scary (Paul) is doing an update.