False Hacking Accusations

(watsyurdeal) #21

[quote=“crabbyDimension;75953”]I take these accusations much more seriously than most of the guys apparently.

People are seriously concerned about cheating/hackers and they might be right about some players.

Calling hacker out is of course bit nonsensical but it can happen especially in heat of the moment. I wouldn’t personally do it but then again I rather say anything out there unless it has to do with tactics and positivity.

But I SERIOUSLY don’t understand people who parade over people who have called them out as cheats?
Do you think it helps with the image of the game thinking that you are so good player and they are just scrubs?

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75939”]And leave it alone, don’t reply to anything else they say, just keep smashing them, destroy their will.[/quote]Former part sounds ok, but I would try to reason with them while the latter part sounds really douchy.

Don’t you guys have any clue how this affects noobs?

Those people, if they are not met with reason might turn themselves away from the game.
That’s the community’s loss and the cheaters have won.

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Should I care how it affect someone who goes that route of calling someone a cheater rather than admitting that they aren’t playing right and need to improve?

We were ALL there, and yet he we are still playing this and other games. People who openly make accusations like that are just looking for an excuse, a cop out to explain why they are losing, other than they are playing badly.

Kinda like how a Sniper on his team says his team sucks, rather than admit that he probably just isn’t doing his job, or that he didn’t contribute as much as should have.

(_retired_) #22

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75958”]Should I care how it affect someone who goes that route of calling someone a cheater rather than admitting that they aren’t playing right and need to improve?[/quote]Should you care how it affect someone who goes that route of calling someone cheater if he is playing well and still gets owned by something that is cheater?

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75958”]We were ALL there, and yet he we are still playing this and other games. [/quote]Unfortunately “other games” isn’t cutting it if we consider the future of DB and the community that comes with it.
Players will leave the game completely if they aren’t treated with respect. I know gaming communities can be cruel places but wouldn’t you want to show them why they are wrong rather than just act like you own them?

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75958”]People who openly make accusations like that are just looking for an excuse, a cop out to explain why they are losing, other than they are playing badly.[/quote]You mean in the current state of report system etc.?

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75958”]Kinda like how a Sniper on his team says his team sucks, rather than admit that he probably just isn’t doing his job, or that he didn’t contribute as much as should have.[/quote]What I do with hackusations:

If they are about me which aren’t that usual, I try to explain why I triumphed. Earlier I mentioned the case with Arty and said that Br-16 is good weapon to get headshots especially while you are running in predictable patters. Same goes to artystrikes. I was talking to complete noobs that had heard they are cheaters and tried to learn the game. I didn’t take lot of satisfaction of killing them and the very thought I would had somehow shown the idea of superiorty towards these poor people.

But probably we agree to disagree what is our attitude.
For me it’s welcoming everyone even those who don’t take losing lightly. You can usually eventually reason with them as it will take their time to learn the game, but you cannot reason with cheaters.

For hackusators you can show the error of their ways and if it’s because of the salt, you offer them also bit pepper and sweets, but cheaters don’t care.

And many of these players are young. I’m not the most mature individual despite of my age but I try to show example and humility rather than rub their noses in it.

That is just my take on things.

[quote=“Malkovich;75896”]Each time I just laugh at them in chat, then proceed to teabag them every time I kill them for the remainder of the match.

Now that I got it written down, it seems kinda dick-ish. [/quote]It sounds the epitome what you shouldn’t do. Staying silent is better to that.
No “Don’t be d#ck” t-shirt for you.

(watsyurdeal) #23

So I should just be kind to someone who’s accusing me of hacks and trying to shame and insult me?

Um, no, if you want respect, you gotta give it. I don’t call people bad openly or insult them when I play, I do just that, play. And if someone is going to cross that line with me I see no reason to be nice.

I’ll tell them I’m not, and I’ll simply play, because I don’t have anything to hide.

When you actually see cheats in action, it’s pretty easy to tell.

The human brain can only do so much, it’s not going to instantly flick to everyone’s head, or see people through walls far off, way too far to hear footsteps over mic chatter, or fire before the enemy’s model is even on screen, aka a triggerbot.

This is my problem with hackusations, it’s pretty easy to make them but if you don’t spec the player first and see how they play, then you really have no freaking clue what you’re talking about.

I may sound harsh, but that is because like a lot of people, we obsess over doing well, it’s our hobby, we wanna have fun but be good at it. Same thing with Guitar, Sports, Cooking, hell anything really. So when someone makes accusations like that, after the 100th time, yea, it gets old, and it gets insulting.

So no, I don’t see a reason to care, if someone isn’t willing to learn the game or do their homework before they open their mouths, why should we listen to them?

(_retired_) #24

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75896”]So no, I don’t see a reason to care, if someone isn’t willing to learn the game or do their homework before they open their mouths, why should we listen to them?[/quote]Because they are noobs/young people who aren’t as committed to the gaming as you might be.
These people might have concerns not only because they are angry they lost but that the time and effort they put to learn the game is useless because of the cheaters.
It gets old and it gets insulting but it might be the first time ever that person has done that.

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75896”]I don’t call people bad openly or insult them when I play, I do just that, play. And if someone is going to cross that line with me I see no reason to be nice.

I’ll tell them I’m not, and I’ll simply play, because I don’t have anything to hide.[/quote]Crossing the line for you is simple hackusation that you laught at?
You take them either seriously or you don’t. It sounds like it’s not big deal to you but then you say it’s annoying. Maybe it’s both then…I don’t know…

Hackusations without evidence exists not only because people are bad players but genuinely feel cheated. Being silent is one thing while being rude just because someone have hard time believing someone performs so well, is as bad as they are being rude of calling someone a cheat.

Obsessions that turn into dickish behaviour are my pet peeve. I have been there myself but since then seen the light and error of my ways. Also I’m in general really against such community standards that promote “being a d*ck because I’m so good”. Especially against noobs who don’t offer challenge.

We just see these things differently.

(mrlong2) #25

Don’t worry about being reported, I’ve read stories of real hackers being reported and nothing done about them whatsoever. Nobody gets banned for being reported without metric butt loads of videos and junk.

Worry about the anti-cheat, There are so many false ban stories of people getting banned cause the anti-cheat had a “Bad feel” about you on no basis whatsoever.

(watsyurdeal) #26

For the record, I’m not being a dick to people because I feel that I’m good, I’m a dick back because I get fed up with it.

I dealt with the same thing in TF2, and was silent about it, dealt with it Counter Strike, was a little more vocal, in Dirty Bomb, same thing, I say only sentence and keep playing.

I don’t care how frustrated you get at losing there is always something you can do better, and when people resort to hackusations instead, THAT is what pisses me off. It’s an excuse, it’s an escape from the reality that is they need to get better, they rather shame other people than admit their mistakes.

I don’t care how angry you get, find out how to improve at the game, and stop trying to make other people look bad to make yourself feel better.

(Amerika) #27

[quote=“Mrlong2;75988”]Don’t worry about being reported, I’ve read stories of real hackers being reported and nothing done about them whatsoever. Nobody gets banned for being reported without metric butt loads of videos and junk.

Worry about the anti-cheat, There are so many false ban stories of people getting banned cause the anti-cheat had a “Bad feel” about you on no basis whatsoever.[/quote]

Or something was done about them and they created a new account because they are dedicated to trolling a game. Which is the mentality of a lot of people who cheat in games. Support has a lot of tools that can allow them to very quickly see if people are cheating or not. But that doesn’t stop dedicated people from making a new account and doing it again (with the same name mind you).

Also, I’ve not read any false ban stories. Just people who have gotten the nexon security violation from NGS crashing. That doesn’t ban you…you just get a message that you should not.

(_retired_) #28

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75990”]For the record, I’m not being a dick to people because I feel that I’m good, I’m a dick back because I get fed up with it.[/quote]Good god, I wasn’t saying that! :smiley:
I was talking in general terms how the attitude of those who play good might reflect how people are accepted to the community.

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75990”]I dealt with the same thing in TF2, and was silent about it, dealt with it Counter Strike, was a little more vocal, in Dirty Bomb, same thing, I say only sentence and keep playing.[/quote]It’s ok. That is your approach.

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;75990”]I don’t care how frustrated you get at losing there is always something you can do better, and when people resort to hackusations instead, THAT is what pisses me off. It’s an excuse, it’s an escape from the reality that is they need to get better, they rather shame other people than admit their mistakes.[/quote]Yes, in the cases when people aren’t cheating.
Misunderstandings happen especially with new players. It might be really hard pill to swallow get rekt by cheater once and then go to next match where there’s another player that appears to be cheating. At that point those people might be rather fed up.

For me it’s not an issue since I don’t take them personally. However I take calling out cheaters seriously in sense that such imaginery is poison to the game and the community rather than individually to me. People get paranoid. That’s why I try to address it.

My final point really is this:

Good players don’t quit (neither do cheaters) because they are being called cheaters/hackers since they are doing good but noobie players/bad players that haven’t been able to learn yet will quit because of cheaters or feelings they are been cheated. Being nice even when they do missteps and show them their mistakes do give them chance to actually learn and be part of the community.

(Amerika) #29

When I first started playing Q3 back in 2000 I thought everyone had to be cheating. No way could anybody be this good at a game. I actually had the mentality to get good enough to at least be able to counter some of the cheating. After a couple of years I found out that many of those players were not cheating at all and were also not even good at the game. The skill ceiling in Q3 is pretty crazy.

The difference is that I didn’t accuse people on server and instead researched how to get better then applied it. Sadly, all too many people do not do this…which isn’t a new phenomena. It’s just seen more often these days due to online gaming getting much bigger in the last decade.

(aRagRappy) #30

I think if a person is going to accuse you of cheating they should actually know what the cheat looks like. Rather irritating to have someone who cant distinguish between aimbot and someone that knows good aiming habits, especially when these people basically stand still when shooting making them some of the easiest targets you could come across.

(Ghosthree3) #31

It’s quite amusing for me actually because my aim is fucking horrid. Shaky, unsteady, just a complete mess. Actually speccing me would solve any question of aimbotting. It’s good enough though that I can rape pubs.

(aRagRappy) #32

And with that type of aim you still get accused of hacks?

(Ghosthree3) #33

They don’t see how I’m aiming just the results. It may be messy and all over the place but it still gets results. When I say messy I don’t mean it’s thrashing all around my screen, just that it isn’t exactly pin point like pros manage to do. It’s jarring as fuck in comparison and is clearly not locking on to shit.

(Kaos88) #34

I do get this a lot, but you can’t really blame them tbh as hackers are back in the game already, so the trust isn’t there again. I didn’t think it would be this quick before i see the scum back >.< So much for the “new” super anti-cheat :’(

(Ghosthree3) #35

It’s almost like you’re surprised there’s still hackers playing with the new AC. They need to play before the AC can ban them.

(Amerika) #36

An extremely common misconception is that anti-cheat is a silver bullet that prevents all cheating from ever happening. That’s simply not the case. What makes good AC good AC is the speed at which it get the new cheats removed and the tools it provides people to detect/remove them as permanently as possible.

So you will see cheaters. But the new AC will help keep a handle on them much better than the previous one that didn’t do much (until near the end) for old bots. It can update faster and respond to new cheating outbreaks and hopefully deter all but the most hardened cheating trolls.

(Kaos88) #37

So it’s like FairFight and Loadouts anti-cheat? Where it just brings up red flags where some1 has to manually ban them? Instead of stopping them in the 1st place? These guys know they are gonna get banned but have fun while it lasts and just make another account when it finally happens. Im seeing lvl 11+ players hacking so it can’t be happening that quick either.

There needs to be a preventing anti-cheat and the red flag thing. ( If there is, it’s not working good enough. I have seen 4 today and i really haven’t played that much, about 3-4 hours tops )

(aRagRappy) #38

Yeah but its that talking out of their ass that annoys me, they usually dont spectate and some are so dumb they would still accuse aim like yours of being aimbot. Really surprised how I havent been accused of hacks while stringing numerous kills quickly with redeye, but have several times with things like firing nader’s grenades into an enclosed area with the enemy tightly clumped together so you really couldnt miss.

(Amerika) #39

So it’s like FairFight and Loadouts anti-cheat? Where it just brings up red flags where some1 has to manually ban them? Instead of stopping them in the 1st place? These guys know they are gonna get banned but have fun while it lasts and just make another account when it finally happens. Im seeing lvl 11+ players hacking so it can’t be happening that quick either.

There needs to be a preventing anti-cheat and the red flag thing. ( If there is, it’s not working good enough. I have seen 4 today and i really haven’t played that much, about 3-4 hours tops )[/quote]

They might have never cheated up until that point. Some people pull out cheats in MP games once they feel they are done with them as they no longer care about their accounts. Don’t assume they cheated all the way up to 11 because with how fast support bans people I seriously doubt they did.

(Kaos88) #40

The trouble is the spectate is bugged, so you don’t actually see what the guy who is shooting is seeing. So it’s pretty pointless really. That’s why i can’t spectate this game in comps as it just looks like every1 is missing so you are not seeing the great shots and tracking. I prefer to just watch some1s stream muted with the casters stream sound on :slight_smile: