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(MorsTua) #1

this stand alone is with the cd key check, killing RTCW.

I wonder why u had the wonderfull idea to make a free game similar to rtcw and u dont get rid of the cd key check (i have the original copy of the game but i see…it’s dying cause the fu***ing cd key check and now for the FREE game ET.) after a year and more wolf is out.

U think this will help selling it? After all this time nobody will buy it anymore and sure nt cause there is a cd key check.

U should get rid of the check and make ET as a mod of RTCW…At last for respect of who bought the game and still loves it


(geo_x[crr]) #2

:???:
I have waited awhile before posting here, reading the threads everyday and watching and waiting for release. I am not going to touch, insulting people working there butts off. But I will say that maybe from a community stand point, putting the name RTCW on this game is inappropriate for mainly 2 reasons. Since the game is not, of the original games characteristics and qualities, is the first reason . The Second is
I have noticed, that the Wolf community has been sent into chaos and is slowly, disolving away into the realms and hands of new games or other game makers. I have been fragging online since day1 release of quake 1 and I have played all the shooters, since that period and also have been heavily active in the communities of whatever i played during that time. I say this only to bring up the point , that first hand i have watched many fade away for many reasons. RTCW and id servers, have been good to my clan since day 1. it is sad to see my current fave game fading away.
My hope is you will either get a full beta out fast or take the RTCW name of the game or even and /or both. we need some effort to salvage the RTCW community before it is to late. If you think I base this on anything less than fact. Look at gamespy stats alone since the release of the et test beta. Thank you for your time! PS this is all said and meant in a respectful manner!


(Englander) #3

No game can last forever ,no matter if ET came out or not eventually a better game will be produced to take players away from RTCW.

And when it comes to ET ,I think its equal of the quality of RTCW.Considering this is only a test aswell ET is an awesome game wich keeps the core elements of RTCW ,so therefor should be linked to it.

In saying all of this there is still loads of people playing RTCW and there will be plenty playing for a long time to come ,just like I will be.

Just because I think ET is really good and I cant wait for the full version release it doesnt mean I will never play RTCW again.


(Englander) #4

OOps


(Mu$$a) #5

I belive the " BIGGEST" problem here is that since 2 weeks ago when the statement " ET will hopefully be released Early next week" by that Hellchick or whoever it was that wrote/released it, many many people have been lulled into a sense that the full game was Days away… when actually it is still beeing polished and refined.

This was a mistake on behalf of whoever released that statement, and also on the people that truly belived it, so I can see why ppl are getting frustrated about it, but I am sure that once it is released it will be well worth the wait, and no point in whining about it… it’s FREE.

All we can do is sit tight and wait… however frustrating it is.

You Splash damage guys … tnx a lot for your efforts, look very much forward to a release date.

The idea of a “Beta Full” Release is appealing but if anyone was to download a “Beta” release for the first time and then went online and played it and the thing was chrashing or buggy, they prob be right back here flaming the crap out of SD or anyone else because the game was not smooth or polished to their liking… and probably never play it again.

anyway figers crossed for a release or a word on the state of the full release… :drink:


(Mu$$a) #6

I belive the " BIGGEST" problem here is that since 2 weeks ago when the statement " ET will hopefully be released Early next week" by that Hellchick or whoever it was that wrote/released it, many many people have been lulled into a sense that the full game was Days away… when actually it is still beeing polished and refined.

This was a mistake on behalf of whoever released that statement, and also on the people that truly belived it, so I can see why ppl are getting frustrated about it, but I am sure that once it is released it will be well worth the wait, and no point in whining about it… it’s FREE.

All we can do is sit tight and wait… however frustrating it is.

You Splash damage guys … tnx a lot for your efforts, look very much forward to a release date.

The idea of a “Beta Full” Release is appealing but if anyone was to download a “Beta” release for the first time and then went online and played it and the thing was chrashing or buggy, they prob be right back here flaming the crap out of SD or anyone else because the game was not smooth or polished to their liking… and probably never play it again.

anyway figers crossed for a release or a word on the state of the full release… :drink:


(Inglix the Mad) #7

I am going to assume by “key check” it is checking against a master key list. This would allow them to ensure that people are buying three copies, not just one for three friends.

They might not have a choice, it might be in their contract, and probably is.

My question is how does this destroy RTCW?

Inglix


(MorsTua) #8

The point is

I love rtcw and i see the game is dying cause there isn’t a refresh in the comunity (check the stats, everyone is leaving but there aren’t persons joining the comunity of wolf) 20 persons leave 1 comes…

Why this?

1.Cause the cd key check. Ok it’s against the piracy but then i wonder why in a side they make a game exactlike like RTCW, FREE, and on the other side they KEEP a cd key check when a game already sold all the soldable copies. It makes no sense and it means only a thing to me: Not the fight to the piracy (cause noone will buy RTCW after all that time , only cause the servers are checked) but the end of a great game.

  1. E.T it’s exactly RTCW , maybe better cause newest but it’s free! Now if u were a new player would u buy rtcw paying (and u never did it before) or u would download et completely FREE? (expecially if u are a cheap bastard)

3.Wolf is not supported. No new official maps no new patches…

Those things are killing this game guys, and this is a fact not one of my fantasies.

It’s not possible the best multiplayer game ever is gonna die.
ID, i consider u the best software house, dont deceive all wof players, help this game and open your eyes.

The solutions are 2. Get rid of the cd key and let players decide which game to play or make ET as a mod and not as a stand alone, otherwise u will decretate the end of RTCW and u with us will be very sorry.

PS:Sorry for my bad english i learned it online :bump:


(NoSoup4U) #9

If i had played ET, and really liked the gamepay of it : I Would be off to the store to buy RTCW : Why ?
Because it is cheaper now, i get a Single Player part : And i get more than the 6 maps that will be in the free release of ET…

I think it’s just BS that you whine about some releasing a free game : If the RTCW community decides to switch, than it must have a reason, not ?
Not only that people play this game because it is free : But because the gameplay in RTCW has grown old…


(NoSoup4U) #10

If i had played ET, and really liked the gamepay of it : I Would be off to the store to buy RTCW : Why ?
Because it is cheaper now, i get a Single Player part : And i get more than the 6 maps that will be in the free release of ET…

I think it’s just BS that you whine about some releasing a free game : If the RTCW community decides to switch, than it must have a reason, not ?
Not only that people play this game because it is free : But because the gameplay in RTCW has grown old…


([fun]scott) #11

duplicate keys can by used on servers configured for relaxed guid.


([fun]scott) #12

please delete this post… your server said tehre was a prob so i resnt the above post.


(skybuck) #13

the server of the rtcw multiplayer test are still full every day.

so what the hell are you talking about ? :slight_smile:

there is only one rtcw: beach ! :slight_smile:


(skybuck) #14

the server of the rtcw multiplayer test are still full every day.

so what the hell are you talking about ? :slight_smile:

there is only one rtcw: beach ! :slight_smile:


(bogs) #15

It’s not ET it’s punkbuster. Punkbuster generates a code based on your internal IP address (and I bet your on a nat-firewall). So if your internal IP is the same as someone else who’s playing you’ll get duplicate cd-key messages.

So, turn off your firewall and connect directly to the net, or play on non punkbuster servers.

Just on a side note since everyone else went off on a side note instead of providing tech support:

PUNKBUSTER IS A SCAM! The business guys at PB convinced Activision it would cost less to let them handle the war on cheating, and it conviced gamers it actually does something. While there is SOME truth to this, there are also some mistruths going on that I want to clear up :

As far as the money PB saves activision, I can’t say exactly. And they might even be saving them money. Instead of people at iD working on patches to enforce cvars when they become an issue, it’s all handled by punkbuster. yay. enforced cvars over an auto-update. what happened during the last CAL & TWL playoff’s? Postponed a week because a bug in their auto-update.

To me a free mod like OSP could serve this purpose. But the guys at Activision who made the deal with PB didn’t know any better otherwise they would have told Evenbalance to go bug someone else.

As far as cheating… IT CAN’T BE STOPPED. We’ve had pure checks in clients for years. The server says “send me something that proves your EXE hasn’t been modified”. Well, if the exe was modified, and modified in such a way to send back a code that makes it APPEAR as if it wasn’t modified, well then your shit outta luck. Which is all punkbuster does as far as client purity. So ANYONE who was making cheats to get around pure servers can make a cheat to get around punkbuster.

As for people who’ve never tried a cheat? If you ever get the chance, and you have the guts to ignore the usual pragma associated with such behaviour, you’ll find it doesn’t improve your skill unless you have < 1 year FPS experience. Gone are the days of the Q3 railgun so get over the ‘cheating’ thing. The war against cheating is fought by the game designers by making the weapons useless to aimbot code. Not a bunch of business guys inventing new ways to sell us old ideas.


(damocles) #16

PUNKBUSTER IS A SCAM! The business guys at PB convinced Activision it would cost less to let them handle the war on cheating, and it conviced gamers it actually does something. While there is SOME truth to this, there are also some mistruths going on that I want to clear up :

Activision/ID/Nerve had absolutely no obligation to fight cheaters at all. We don’t pay them anything for this service, we pay for the game. Activision chose to enlist the help of PB to improve our online experiences - this is of cource a business decision, they know how damaging rampant cheating is to an online game, but they never had to aid us at all. I for one am grateful that they are doing so as without PB, there would be many many more cheaters out there ruining it for everyone. Wolf is one of the most cheat free online games I have ever experienced and this is due mostly to PB.

As for PB saving activision money - what? PB costs Activision money to maintain. They do so to improve the quality of play for everyone not to somehow save money. And by doing so they hope to make the game more appealing and sell more copies. PB has never been about saving money.

As for people who’ve never tried a cheat? If you ever get the chance, and you have the guts to ignore the usual pragma associated with such behaviour, you’ll find it doesn’t improve your skill unless you have < 1 year FPS experience. Gone are the days of the Q3 railgun so get over the ‘cheating’ thing

That’s pure genius that is. Of course wallhacks don’t improve your abilities at all. It doesn’t help in the slightest when you can see the guy who’s trying to ambush you long before he is even capable of seeing you. </sarcasm> Aimbots are not common place in RTCW cheating, wallhacks are. These are the cheats that can and may ruin the game for many people. Just be grateful RTCW doesn’t have shoot thru wall weapons like CS did.


(bogs) #17

Before PB, anti-cheat code to be created by the game developers. When new cheats came out, new point releases came out. Anti-cheat code beyond checking cvars or transparency flags in pk3 files usually involves a change in protocols. Changes in netcode are done by iD. Not evenbalance. If PB did not exist, the EXACT same cvar and pk3 checks would be done in RTCW - but I bet more people would be complaining about cheaters.

And you aren’t listening. People who cheated before, are NOT detered wHATSOEVER by PunkkBuster.

Since you couldn’t possibly know for CERTAIN that someone is cheating, isn’t it all possible you are simply having more fun with RTCW and are less likely to shout “damn cheaters”.

No it’s about making money. It always is. The marketing guys at Evenbalance gave iD their marketing colateral. Words that YOU YOURSELF are using when you say that punkbuster stops cheaters. It doesn’t. But if enough people say it stops cheaters, it was worth the money… to boot, you don’t need a big team of coders working on netcode updates since the public perceives the war on cheating is being outsourced.

Aimbots are not common place in RTCW cheating, wallhacks are. These are the cheats that can and may ruin the game for many people. Just be grateful RTCW doesn’t have shoot thru wall weapons like CS did.

Ok but GO USE ONE! They suck balls. You can’t see anything properly, you don’t GAIN skill from it, if you can manage to trick someone with a wallhack, chances are you could have done the SAME THING with your SOUND CRANKED. Like I said, if you have more than a year of first person shooter experience, a wall hack isn’t going to make things easier, just more stupid and annoying to look at. You can only get so good at jumping out from behind a wall and shooting.


(damocles) #18

Before PB, anti-cheat code to be created by the game developers. When new cheats came out, new point releases came out. Anti-cheat code beyond checking cvars or transparency flags in pk3 files usually involves a change in protocols. Changes in netcode are done by iD. Not evenbalance. If PB did not exist, the EXACT same cvar and pk3 checks would be done in RTCW - but I bet more people would be complaining about cheaters.

What would you prefer - a small auto-update, one that is usually so small that when it occurrs it doesn’t even interrupt the flow of play, or having to download a patch every month or so? And as very few cheats are based in the netcode there is little need to update that area. Most cheats are done by modifying files to alter behaviours or displays - something PB is able to check for. Also, do you prefer for PB to handle the cheating war allowing the games developers to focus on their next big game, or would you rather that games companies stayed with one title for years, spending money they can’t afford to on fixing small cheat issues (seeing as most games companies do not make much money, this is not really an option).

No it’s about making money. It always is. The marketing guys at Evenbalance gave iD their marketing colateral. Words that YOU YOURSELF are using when you say that punkbuster stops cheaters. It doesn’t. But if enough people say it stops cheaters, it was worth the money… to boot, you don’t need a big team of coders working on netcode updates since the public perceives the war on cheating is being outsourced.

PB does stop cheats - it stops common cheats. It’s impossible for ANY company to stop a cheat that is only available to a select few individuals unless they get a copy of it. The way PB works is when cheats become common enough to be located they can then add the necessary code to stop players that use that cheat. It is completely impossible to pre-empt cheating, only to prevent it once it is detected. There will indeed always be some losers who have nothing better to do with their time than try and circumvent cheat protections and ruin the game for people. All that can be done is to work to try and stop those cheats becoming widespread. It is not usually the cheat creators that ruin the game, it is when those cheats fall into the hands of kids and losers that don’t fully comprehend both the commercial damage and entertainmant value deprication their antics cause.

Just look at counter-strike/HL. While PB was still updating for them they had a good reputation and the servers were mostly cheat free. When valve refused to cough up the dough to support evenbalance, they left and the cheats slowly became widespread again and has ruined what used to be a good community. PB does work. It may not be instantaneous and it may not be perfect, but it’s a damn sight better than nothing which is what most games have.

Ok but GO USE ONE! They suck balls. You can’t see anything properly, you don’t GAIN skill from it, if you can manage to trick someone with a wallhack, chances are you could have done the SAME THING with your SOUND CRANKED. Like I said, if you have more than a year of first person shooter experience, a wall hack isn’t going to make things easier, just more stupid and annoying to look at. You can only get so good at jumping out from behind a wall and shooting.

I have seen them in use and know the effect they have. They are quite easy to use if you know how to. And they give a huge advantage in a game like wolf where you don’t have to jump out and shoot. You can simply prime a nade and thrown it around the corner before the guy has a chance to move. If you are a complete newb, a wall hack would just make your life harder. But if you have average abilities in FPS games then it is quite easy to use wall hacks to drastically improve your perceived playing ability - which is what these losers want in the end - to be top of the scoreboard and to act like they did it themselves.

As for your sound crank comment - I’d love to see you use full volume sound to detect someone that is standing still waiting in ambush. Sound is there as a valid tactic. It makes it harder to run up behind someone unnoticed or to reload your gun in preperation for an attack. But it does not come close to the advantages of seeing the enemy waiting around the corner for you.


(Pippi) #19

May the game with the best gameplay win!

Nuff said.


(bogs) #20

your not reading what i posted. last seasons CAL / TWL playoffs were post-poned a full week because of yet another botched PB update. I would prefer the league that I play in decide what version of anti-cheat software is to be used.

Also, do you prefer for PB to handle the cheating war allowing the games developers to focus on their next big game, or would you rather that games companies stayed with one title for years, spending money they can’t afford to on fixing small cheat issues (seeing as most games companies do not make much money, this is not really an option).

I’d rather the companies figure out how to stop cheating themselves so the next big game they release implements all the lessons learned from the in-house work. But hey, its cheaper to outsource so I’m dreaming. We’re stuck with punkbuster.

PB does stop cheats - it stops common cheats.

No it doesn’t. Common cheats stopped with the “pure” server checks. People got around this by changing their client to trick a pure server check. All someone needs to do is modify their punkbuster client to send back the code that says “all is well, no wall hacks here!”. The SAME WAY CHEATS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WRITTEN. Instead of modifying code written by iD, the cheat authors modifiy code written by evenbalance.

It’s impossible for ANY company to stop a cheat that is only available to a select few individuals unless they get a copy of it.

No it’s not impossible. You don’t have to see proof of concept to know that something in their net could be exploited. iD COULD be paying a larger team to proactively look for problems in their code which could eventually be exploited by cheaters. That’s how it used to work. NOW they sit back and wait for exploits to surface, to make their way onto google’s index, and then evenbalance swings into action.

some losers who have nothing better to do with their time than try and circumvent cheat protections and ruin the game for people.

yes, people who are smart enough to figure it out, people who pound away at code their whole lives are often called losers… they will never go away though, we have to share this world with them. the ONLY way to fight a wall hack is with map design. the only way to fight an aim bot is with gameplay. and whoppie, we have punkbuster to fight cvars and postpone the playoffs.

Please, I’m one of the guys who can write cheats. But instead of writing them and “ruining” the game for everyone. I’m trying to tell you that marketing guys are SCAMMING you. Punkbuster doesn’t stop cheats. Only the people who are making the game engines and the maps can fight it. And RTCW and most maps (except for beach imo) are great at rendering wall hacks and aimbots useless.

As for your sound crank comment - I’d love to see you use full volume sound to detect someone that is standing still waiting in ambush.

Well if your ambush involved priming a grenade, there is a sound for that. I always check around corners, people love to camp. Sometimes I even shoot my teammates cause I see “something” around the corner and I start shooting. A wall hack isn’t going to give anyone but the most complete beginner a leg up. If anything, me and the wallhack guy end up shooting at the same time from his ambush. Wallhacks also detract from being able to aim at the player imo. Actually having textures on things makes players stand out more, and easier to know when your trying to shoot someone through a solid object. (I know you could have outlines or vary the degree of transparency but it still makes the gameplay shitty for the gunfight that ensues 1 second after the big ambush). In the end, the guy without the cheat walks away a more skilled player too.