evidence of cheating

(gg2ez) #81

[quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142185”][quote=“Amerika;142163”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142156”]

[quote=“gg2ez;141919”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;141892”][quote=“Amerika;141713”]Developers of online games tend to have a negative reaction to players not using intended methods to accrue game currency or speed up progression. Players are suspended or banned fairly commonly across all MP games for farming/exploiting etc. And in a F2P game where some of that currency is used in place of actual money then they tend to have an even more negative outlook on players abusing the system with unintended mechanics which includes cooperation with a player on the other team to achieve results. Not only are you trying to gain currency in an unintended way but it could create a situation where many others emulate it. Which then brings about an even bigger amount of outrage from the players who do gain credits in the intended way creating a very negative PR situation.

They also don’t have to have some rule sitting around somewhere as if this was a legal issue. They own the rights to the game you’re playing and in DB’s case even all of the servers you can play on. Your ability to play relies solely on them allowing you to continue playing.

Please think of that the next time you want to either go farm for currency or even something like XP (which means little now but might in the future). Or trying to convince people that it’s just fine and there is no way it could get you into trouble or shouldn’t.[/quote]

That is true, DB could just ban you for no reason other than because they felt like it. Exploiting/glitching is most likely in the TOS (which of course I haven’t read) as it is in most games. But I feel like you can’t even farm in this game because everything is based off on time spent in a game rather than xp earned.

If using in game mechanics to do things is considered as farming, then having a full team of a clan fighting pugs to farm combat xp by not completing objectives could be bannable? If DB has a serious issue with people ‘farming’ then they could simply change the way xp is earnt if you plant/defuse from the same person too often.[/quote]

Is gathering XP via farming not farming? XP may not be considered valuable but it’s still considered a “resource”, thus obtaining it via exploits is technically breaches the TOS. Doesn’t matter of you “feel” like it’s not farming - in theory, it is. [/quote]

But that’s not an exploit, that’s just part of the gameplay. Exploits are part of bugs, an unintended features. [/quote]

I already defined what can be banned for based on what previous games have done and is common knowledge. You can choose to ignore it and not believe it and continue but that’s up to you. You can claim that you’re just using “intended mechanics” but you can’t claim that you were playing correctly that is part of the spirit, and more importantly the monetization, of the game. There is no talking around it. You farm and you’re investigated then you’ll be suspended with all credits/xp stripped or banned. It’s happened before when people XP glitched in DB and it’s a common response for many online game companies.

I’m not sure why you’re even debating this as it’s common sense.[/quote]

‘XP glitching’ that quote right there. I never disagreed with glitching being a bannable offense. And telling someone that they’re ‘not playing properly’ is treading on thin ice. That’s going to be a PR nightmare if someone can quote you on that. Could someone be banned for not doing an objective when they could just because they wanted the game to end quickly? There’s a difference between user freedom and game design.[/quote]

How’s this solution: Look past all the talk about XP glitching and whatnot and look at the fact that you literally just got told that if you farm and get investigated, you will get banned.

There’s no way around it, if it’s bannable, it violates the ToS and is indeed “not playing properly”.

(MarsRover) #82

??? Ever since I started playing DB I never had a problem finding a 75%+ populated server. Outside of late night/early day hours there are multiple servers 75%+ full in the lobby. You are grasping for excuses.

Nope, you are doing harm in more ways than this. Judging by the way the conversation is going I am not going to waste my time to list them.

You can farm every type of XP with just two people.

(extraordinaryEmperor) #83

??? Ever since I started playing DB I never had a problem finding a 75%+ populated server. Outside of late night/early day hours there are multiple servers 75%+ full in the lobby. You are grasping for excuses.

Nope, you are doing harm in more ways than this. Judging by the way the conversation is going I am not going to waste my time to list them.

You can farm every type of XP with just two people.[/quote]

Of course you can. But have fun doing combat and support xp just with two people.

(extraordinaryEmperor) #84

[quote=“gg2ez;142198”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142185”][quote=“Amerika;142163”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142156”]

[quote=“gg2ez;141919”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;141892”][quote=“Amerika;141713”]Developers of online games tend to have a negative reaction to players not using intended methods to accrue game currency or speed up progression. Players are suspended or banned fairly commonly across all MP games for farming/exploiting etc. And in a F2P game where some of that currency is used in place of actual money then they tend to have an even more negative outlook on players abusing the system with unintended mechanics which includes cooperation with a player on the other team to achieve results. Not only are you trying to gain currency in an unintended way but it could create a situation where many others emulate it. Which then brings about an even bigger amount of outrage from the players who do gain credits in the intended way creating a very negative PR situation.

They also don’t have to have some rule sitting around somewhere as if this was a legal issue. They own the rights to the game you’re playing and in DB’s case even all of the servers you can play on. Your ability to play relies solely on them allowing you to continue playing.

Please think of that the next time you want to either go farm for currency or even something like XP (which means little now but might in the future). Or trying to convince people that it’s just fine and there is no way it could get you into trouble or shouldn’t.[/quote]

That is true, DB could just ban you for no reason other than because they felt like it. Exploiting/glitching is most likely in the TOS (which of course I haven’t read) as it is in most games. But I feel like you can’t even farm in this game because everything is based off on time spent in a game rather than xp earned.

If using in game mechanics to do things is considered as farming, then having a full team of a clan fighting pugs to farm combat xp by not completing objectives could be bannable? If DB has a serious issue with people ‘farming’ then they could simply change the way xp is earnt if you plant/defuse from the same person too often.[/quote]

Is gathering XP via farming not farming? XP may not be considered valuable but it’s still considered a “resource”, thus obtaining it via exploits is technically breaches the TOS. Doesn’t matter of you “feel” like it’s not farming - in theory, it is. [/quote]

But that’s not an exploit, that’s just part of the gameplay. Exploits are part of bugs, an unintended features. [/quote]

I already defined what can be banned for based on what previous games have done and is common knowledge. You can choose to ignore it and not believe it and continue but that’s up to you. You can claim that you’re just using “intended mechanics” but you can’t claim that you were playing correctly that is part of the spirit, and more importantly the monetization, of the game. There is no talking around it. You farm and you’re investigated then you’ll be suspended with all credits/xp stripped or banned. It’s happened before when people XP glitched in DB and it’s a common response for many online game companies.

I’m not sure why you’re even debating this as it’s common sense.[/quote]

‘XP glitching’ that quote right there. I never disagreed with glitching being a bannable offense. And telling someone that they’re ‘not playing properly’ is treading on thin ice. That’s going to be a PR nightmare if someone can quote you on that. Could someone be banned for not doing an objective when they could just because they wanted the game to end quickly? There’s a difference between user freedom and game design.[/quote]

How’s this solution: Look past all the talk about XP glitching and whatnot and look at the fact that you literally just got told that if you farm and get investigated, you will get banned.

There’s no way around it, if it’s bannable, it violates the ToS and is indeed “not playing properly”.[/quote]

I have yet to know anyone who was banned for using the elevator to complete the secondary objective mission. Hell there was even a thread telling people that it works.

(gg2ez) #85

[quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142208”][quote=“gg2ez;142198”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142185”][quote=“Amerika;142163”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142156”]

[quote=“gg2ez;141919”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;141892”][quote=“Amerika;141713”]Developers of online games tend to have a negative reaction to players not using intended methods to accrue game currency or speed up progression. Players are suspended or banned fairly commonly across all MP games for farming/exploiting etc. And in a F2P game where some of that currency is used in place of actual money then they tend to have an even more negative outlook on players abusing the system with unintended mechanics which includes cooperation with a player on the other team to achieve results. Not only are you trying to gain currency in an unintended way but it could create a situation where many others emulate it. Which then brings about an even bigger amount of outrage from the players who do gain credits in the intended way creating a very negative PR situation.

They also don’t have to have some rule sitting around somewhere as if this was a legal issue. They own the rights to the game you’re playing and in DB’s case even all of the servers you can play on. Your ability to play relies solely on them allowing you to continue playing.

Please think of that the next time you want to either go farm for currency or even something like XP (which means little now but might in the future). Or trying to convince people that it’s just fine and there is no way it could get you into trouble or shouldn’t.[/quote]

That is true, DB could just ban you for no reason other than because they felt like it. Exploiting/glitching is most likely in the TOS (which of course I haven’t read) as it is in most games. But I feel like you can’t even farm in this game because everything is based off on time spent in a game rather than xp earned.

If using in game mechanics to do things is considered as farming, then having a full team of a clan fighting pugs to farm combat xp by not completing objectives could be bannable? If DB has a serious issue with people ‘farming’ then they could simply change the way xp is earnt if you plant/defuse from the same person too often.[/quote]

Is gathering XP via farming not farming? XP may not be considered valuable but it’s still considered a “resource”, thus obtaining it via exploits is technically breaches the TOS. Doesn’t matter of you “feel” like it’s not farming - in theory, it is. [/quote]

But that’s not an exploit, that’s just part of the gameplay. Exploits are part of bugs, an unintended features. [/quote]

I already defined what can be banned for based on what previous games have done and is common knowledge. You can choose to ignore it and not believe it and continue but that’s up to you. You can claim that you’re just using “intended mechanics” but you can’t claim that you were playing correctly that is part of the spirit, and more importantly the monetization, of the game. There is no talking around it. You farm and you’re investigated then you’ll be suspended with all credits/xp stripped or banned. It’s happened before when people XP glitched in DB and it’s a common response for many online game companies.

I’m not sure why you’re even debating this as it’s common sense.[/quote]

‘XP glitching’ that quote right there. I never disagreed with glitching being a bannable offense. And telling someone that they’re ‘not playing properly’ is treading on thin ice. That’s going to be a PR nightmare if someone can quote you on that. Could someone be banned for not doing an objective when they could just because they wanted the game to end quickly? There’s a difference between user freedom and game design.[/quote]

How’s this solution: Look past all the talk about XP glitching and whatnot and look at the fact that you literally just got told that if you farm and get investigated, you will get banned.

There’s no way around it, if it’s bannable, it violates the ToS and is indeed “not playing properly”.[/quote]

I have yet to know anyone who was banned for using the elevator to complete the secondary objective mission. Hell there was even a thread telling people that it works.[/quote]

Again, the ToS doesn’t give a damn what you know. If it’s breached by your “playstyle”, your playstyle is incorrect. ToS mate, can’t argue with it.

(MarsRover) #86

In contrast to repairing and damaging a generator or EV over and over? Because that is so much fun.

In the evening I’ll check a few low populated servers to see how widespread farming is and if I can “farm” some farmers :smiley:

(extraordinaryEmperor) #87

In contrast to repairing and damaging a generator or EV over and over? Because that is so much fun.

In the evening I’ll check a few low populated servers to see how widespread farming is and if I can “farm” some farmers :smiley: [/quote]

In contrast to not getting enough game XP because everyone is doing the objective or because you’re defending and there’s no side objectives that you are able to complete. Underground is the best example is getting your game xp mission done quickly.

(extraordinaryEmperor) #88

[quote=“gg2ez;142218”]
Again, the ToS doesn’t give a damn what you know. If it’s breached by your “playstyle”, your playstyle is incorrect. ToS mate, can’t argue with it. [/quote]

So if you can breach the ToS and not get banned, does it even matter then?

(gg2ez) #89

[quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142257”][quote=“gg2ez;142218”]
Again, the ToS doesn’t give a damn what you know. If it’s breached by your “playstyle”, your playstyle is incorrect. ToS mate, can’t argue with it. [/quote]

So if you can breach the ToS and not get banned, does it even matter then?[/quote]

Yes, because you should be banned. When a ToS is agreed upon, all statements made in that document are not to breached without punishment. That’s basic knowledge. Since you like making metaphors for me so much, if you killed a man and you weren’t found guilty of it, does it matter? Yes! It does. You should be found guilty of it.

Not saying that farming is as bad as killing someone, but I am saying that when punishable actions are committed, punishment follows. It’s just dodgy and scummy behaviour to go “I didn’t get caught, it’s fine to do”.

(Ballto) #90

[quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142257”][quote=“gg2ez;142218”]
Again, the ToS doesn’t give a damn what you know. If it’s breached by your “playstyle”, your playstyle is incorrect. ToS mate, can’t argue with it. [/quote]

So if you can breach the ToS and not get banned, does it even matter then?[/quote]

If you could murder somebody and get away with it, does it even matter?

If you could break into someones house steal everything and get away with it, does it even matter?

It you can commit tax fraud and get away with it, does it even matter?

If you can embezzle money from your corporation, does it even matter?

If you can get away with insider trading, does it even matter?

(Amerika) #91

[quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142185”][quote=“Amerika;142163”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142156”]

[quote=“gg2ez;141919”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;141892”][quote=“Amerika;141713”]Developers of online games tend to have a negative reaction to players not using intended methods to accrue game currency or speed up progression. Players are suspended or banned fairly commonly across all MP games for farming/exploiting etc. And in a F2P game where some of that currency is used in place of actual money then they tend to have an even more negative outlook on players abusing the system with unintended mechanics which includes cooperation with a player on the other team to achieve results. Not only are you trying to gain currency in an unintended way but it could create a situation where many others emulate it. Which then brings about an even bigger amount of outrage from the players who do gain credits in the intended way creating a very negative PR situation.

They also don’t have to have some rule sitting around somewhere as if this was a legal issue. They own the rights to the game you’re playing and in DB’s case even all of the servers you can play on. Your ability to play relies solely on them allowing you to continue playing.

Please think of that the next time you want to either go farm for currency or even something like XP (which means little now but might in the future). Or trying to convince people that it’s just fine and there is no way it could get you into trouble or shouldn’t.[/quote]

That is true, DB could just ban you for no reason other than because they felt like it. Exploiting/glitching is most likely in the TOS (which of course I haven’t read) as it is in most games. But I feel like you can’t even farm in this game because everything is based off on time spent in a game rather than xp earned.

If using in game mechanics to do things is considered as farming, then having a full team of a clan fighting pugs to farm combat xp by not completing objectives could be bannable? If DB has a serious issue with people ‘farming’ then they could simply change the way xp is earnt if you plant/defuse from the same person too often.[/quote]

Is gathering XP via farming not farming? XP may not be considered valuable but it’s still considered a “resource”, thus obtaining it via exploits is technically breaches the TOS. Doesn’t matter of you “feel” like it’s not farming - in theory, it is. [/quote]

But that’s not an exploit, that’s just part of the gameplay. Exploits are part of bugs, an unintended features. [/quote]

I already defined what can be banned for based on what previous games have done and is common knowledge. You can choose to ignore it and not believe it and continue but that’s up to you. You can claim that you’re just using “intended mechanics” but you can’t claim that you were playing correctly that is part of the spirit, and more importantly the monetization, of the game. There is no talking around it. You farm and you’re investigated then you’ll be suspended with all credits/xp stripped or banned. It’s happened before when people XP glitched in DB and it’s a common response for many online game companies.

I’m not sure why you’re even debating this as it’s common sense.[/quote]

‘XP glitching’ that quote right there. I never disagreed with glitching being a bannable offense. And telling someone that they’re ‘not playing properly’ is treading on thin ice. That’s going to be a PR nightmare if someone can quote you on that. Could someone be banned for not doing an objective when they could just because they wanted the game to end quickly? There’s a difference between user freedom and game design.[/quote]

I don’t know why you latched onto that one statement and took it out of context as it was clearly explained as an example of something similar that has happened in DB’s recent past. I defined how companies react to players, especially in f2p titles, who abuse the spirit of the game for their own gain regardless of them breaking a written rule. Others did as well.

There really isn’t much more to say about the topic. It’s been stated multiple times what would be considered a bad idea on how to play. You can choose to ignore the advice given or heed it. It’s common sense.

(extraordinaryEmperor) #92

[quote=“gg2ez;142260”] if you killed a man and you weren’t found guilty of it, does it matter? Yes! It does. You should be found guilty of it.
[/quote]

That has to be the most laughable logic I’ve seen today. I’ll let you think about it yourself.

(extraordinaryEmperor) #93

[quote=“Ballto;142529”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142257”][quote=“gg2ez;142218”]
Again, the ToS doesn’t give a damn what you know. If it’s breached by your “playstyle”, your playstyle is incorrect. ToS mate, can’t argue with it. [/quote]

So if you can breach the ToS and not get banned, does it even matter then?[/quote]

If you could murder somebody and get away with it, does it even matter?

If you could break into someones house steal everything and get away with it, does it even matter?

It you can commit tax fraud and get away with it, does it even matter?

If you can embezzle money from your corporation, does it even matter?

If you can get away with insider trading, does it even matter?[/quote]

Not really getting away but more of ignored. I’m guessing that you think that women who wore pants before the law was repealed in Paris should have been arrested. Or maybe since the law was pretty much ignored, it didn’t even matter that it existed.

(Feley) #94

[quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142156”]
But that’s not an exploit, that’s just part of the gameplay. Exploits are part of bugs, an unintended features. [/quote]

So you are saying that you don’t mind having 2 afk guys in team? I mean joining the game is just a part of the gameplay, wether you want to move or not in game is also part of the gameplay.

Farming XP is farming, just as afking is afking, cheating is cheating, and while you can do it in game, it ceratinly is not part of the gameplay…

Your objective let’s say as attacker, is to kill enemies, make through their defense, and plant C4, and as a narrator says: “C4 planted, DEFEND it!”

Now that is gameplay, going through those stuff above and playing objective…

Player that plant c4 shall not let anyone defuse it, and farmers are letting someone defuse it…

(gg2ez) #95

[quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142618”][quote=“gg2ez;142260”] if you killed a man and you weren’t found guilty of it, does it matter? Yes! It does. You should be found guilty of it.
[/quote]

That has to be the most laughable logic I’ve seen today. I’ll let you think about it yourself.[/quote]

How? If you stuck a knife through someone’s carotid artery and they died and the court neglected that case or mistakenly ruled you innocent, is that OK? Again, you’re just being a scumbag by going “oh, I didn’t get caught, it’s justified”. The only one here with laughable logic is you, you’re ramming your head into a brick wall, mate. Not only are you arguing with people, you’re also trying to argue against the bloody ToS.

The argument might as well already be over, Mr. Texas Sharpshooter. If you have go avoid certain parts of counterarguments to win, you’ve lost.

(extraordinaryEmperor) #96

[quote=“gg2ez;142635”][quote=“extraordinaryEmperor;142618”][quote=“gg2ez;142260”] if you killed a man and you weren’t found guilty of it, does it matter? Yes! It does. You should be found guilty of it.
[/quote]

That has to be the most laughable logic I’ve seen today. I’ll let you think about it yourself.[/quote]

How? If you stuck a knife through someone’s carotid artery and they died and the court neglected that case or mistakenly ruled you innocent, is that OK? Again, you’re just being a scumbag by going “oh, I didn’t get caught, it’s justified”. The only one here with laughable logic is you, you’re ramming your head into a brick wall, mate. Not only are you arguing with people, you’re also trying to argue against the bloody ToS.

The argument might as well already be over, Mr. Texas Sharpshooter. If you have go avoid certain parts of counterarguments to win, you’ve lost. [/quote]

Morally you may say it’s not okay, but legally you will have to. Look up some criminal laws why don’t you.

(Amerika) #97

This isn’t going anywhere and there really isn’t a debate to be had here in regards to Dirty Bomb. Closing.