Everyone complained about phantom

(Amerika) #21

His cloak can still keep him from being hit or taking damage in a lot of situations (incredibly useful). He can still flank pretty good and still be unseen while doing it. And the Kek/Crotzni were barely touched despite what the percentages say. You can still abuse the heck out of his cloak in gun fights and dodge/absorb shots, make them reload or near while you gun them down. When played intelligently he’s crazy good. He’s still not good for comp but he wasn’t good for comp previously either.

(Ghosthree3) #22

Except that the cooldown has been almost doubled and it’s also more visible. Don’t get me wrong I think the cooldown nerf was good. Not in combination with everything else though.

I’d like to point out that the very reason you stated is the reason I said he had the shield in the first place to people screaming for its complete removal.

Even still, he’s got pretty much the same chance at being seen getting behind people now, if he does get seen he should take damage. Best way to flank is to be in a good position by the time they see you or before they see you at all. Which can be done equally between any of the classes really.

(Anaconda) #23

I don’t know if its just my computer but Phantoms are entirely visible now. They are just a bit dimmer than other models but pretty obvious to see. Before u could barely see an outline, now I’ve had no phantoms sneak up on me because I can see them so easily.

(Jostabeere) #24

Phantom isn’t useless. His melee is completely useless tho. No, melee is useless. Completely.
Phantom can still get first shots in a 1v1 on the enemy because he is harder to be seen, but trying to melee someone who isn’t camping is nearly impossible due the turn animation. His armor isn’t stealth, too, anymore. SD should remove the cloak entirely and give him a force-field instead. Will be suited his role more than a “half-broken-stealth”
Phantom doesn’t have anything you should him play for. His skill and his role are broken, and the only good things are Crotzni and the Kek. But Bushwhacker has the Kek and a better skill+engineer, while multiple clases have the Crotzni and better skills.
People who player him are screwed, and noobs who wanted him being nerfed are happy now because they don’t need to think about something different than looking at visible enemies, aim and shoot at them, since spotting Phantom based on sound was too hard, obviously!..

(Ghosthree3) #25

Definition of useless.

(watsyurdeal) #26

All I really want is the old visibility and audio back, totally unnecessary changes.

And that damn turn speed, if I can’t do at least a 360 degree turn before it locks, it doesn’t need to be there.

(stealthyBass) #27

My favorite thing is being told in game he needs to be nerfed more when I manage to flank people and kill them because they never look behind them. But one of the biggest issues surrounding him has always been player awareness and you can’t do anything about it.

(Jostabeere) #28

Definition of useless.[/quote]

He has Kek and Crotzni tho…Ye…He is useless… :cry:
I still play him tho. And die alot. And he is useless :bawling:

(SteelMailbox) #29

I think the only thing that destroyed him is the new melee lock in but missmurder said she think its gonna get changed hes still pretty hard to notice if you dont focus and the resistance to damage while invincible never should have been a thing

(AShoppingCartGLX) #30

ok if you use Phantom play like Snake from MGO(Metal Gear Online) you will shred the map. Play Stealth, hide in dark corners.

(Amerika) #31

People need to stop confusing “useless” with how they played Phantom. One aspect of his game, the weaker part of his game as you’d NEVER do extremely well playing him melee only, got nerfed because it was pretty cheap.

The strong aspect of his game and arguably the “broken” part of it is still going strong. Getting the first shots off on people or making them waste bullets into your shield while also having an ability that lets you escape is pretty darn amazing. I should just go upload about 30 matches in a row playing Phantom using what I’ve cited. It would then be pretty hard to argue that he is useless at that point.

Yes, melee is weak right now but all melee is weak. But he has a Kek and a cloak + A FREAKING SHIELD. You should use it :slight_smile:

-edit- Shoe just said on stream that melee is going to be adjusted soon in regards to the slow turn speed.

(Ghosthree3) #32

Still don’t care about the melee, I want to see him become a good recon class because right now he’s just nothing special.

(TeeKayM) #33

[quote=“Amerika;55169”]People need to stop confusing “useless” with how they played Phantom. One aspect of his game, the weaker part of his game as you’d NEVER do extremely well playing him melee only, got nerfed because it was pretty cheap.

The strong aspect of his game and arguably the “broken” part of it is still going strong. Getting the first shots off on people or making them waste bullets into your shield while also having an ability that lets you escape is pretty darn amazing. I should just go upload about 30 matches in a row playing Phantom using what I’ve cited. It would then be pretty hard to argue that he is useless at that point.

Yes, melee is weak right now but all melee is weak. But he has a Kek and a cloak + A FREAKING SHIELD. You should use it :slight_smile:

-edit- Shoe just said on stream that melee is going to be adjusted soon in regards to the slow turn speed.[/quote]

But sometimes it’s fun to just go around knifing people rather than the usual gunfights. Oh well, I guess I’m one of the only ones that bought Phantom just for the katana.

(Amerika) #34

[quote=“TeeKayM;55176”][quote=“Amerika;55169”]People need to stop confusing “useless” with how they played Phantom. One aspect of his game, the weaker part of his game as you’d NEVER do extremely well playing him melee only, got nerfed because it was pretty cheap.

The strong aspect of his game and arguably the “broken” part of it is still going strong. Getting the first shots off on people or making them waste bullets into your shield while also having an ability that lets you escape is pretty darn amazing. I should just go upload about 30 matches in a row playing Phantom using what I’ve cited. It would then be pretty hard to argue that he is useless at that point.

Yes, melee is weak right now but all melee is weak. But he has a Kek and a cloak + A FREAKING SHIELD. You should use it :slight_smile:

-edit- Shoe just said on stream that melee is going to be adjusted soon in regards to the slow turn speed.[/quote]

But sometimes it’s fun to just go around knifing people rather than the usual gunfights. Oh well, I guess I’m one of the only ones that bought Phantom just for the katana.[/quote]

You can still do that. You just won’t be getting as many cheap kills doing it and you’ll actually die pretty often after attempting it if you were the type that just rushed people head on. What’s fun for you was pretty infuriating for a lot of other people.

(Jostabeere) #35

[quote=“Amerika;55169”]People need to stop confusing “useless” with how they played Phantom. One aspect of his game, the weaker part of his game as you’d NEVER do extremely well playing him melee only, got nerfed because it was pretty cheap.
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So why SD released a merc with a whole new melee weapon if it’s not for melee? He could get the cricket-bat…
If his strong site is to suck up bullets, why isn’t he a merc with a simple force-shield then? His shield was obviously designed as a invisibility-cloak, which isn’t invisible anymore. Even the trailer showed him as the invisible melee-merc, but now he shouldn’t be an invisible melee-merc anymore?

(Amerika) #36

[quote=“laudatoryLunch;55206”][quote=“Amerika;55169”]People need to stop confusing “useless” with how they played Phantom. One aspect of his game, the weaker part of his game as you’d NEVER do extremely well playing him melee only, got nerfed because it was pretty cheap.
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So why SD released a merc with a whole new melee weapon if it’s not for melee? He could get the cricket-bat…
If his strong site is to suck up bullets, why isn’t he a merc with a simple force-shield then? His shield was obviously designed as a invisibility-cloak, which isn’t invisible anymore. Even the trailer showed him as the invisible melee-merc, but now he shouldn’t be an invisible melee-merc anymore?[/quote]

Just because a merc was released with something doesn’t mean you use it all the time. You’ve seen Naders that only use grenades right? They don’t do very well. Same with Fletcher’s and sticky bombs. Rhino does pretty terrible if you use the minigun only and forget about his shotgun and pistol. The trailer showed them using mostly those abilities too.

And I would have changed him by removing his shield and lowering his HP slightly. So melee phantoms could still do melee (still the worst way to play him regardless) but you wouldn’t be able to charge people headlong and tank damage. What people hated was seeing a Phantom charging them in their cloak, unloading into them and they still had time to get off two swings before you could put him down. I mean, it’s hard to argue that that isn’t cheap and I can’t imagine how you wouldn’t understand just how infuriating that would be to players (and why there was such a massive uproar). Especially those playing lower HP mercs.

The real abuse where phantom is concerned is using his shield in firefights. Seriously, go use his gun and forget about the Katana unless you can get a quick easy kill. It’s crazy just how hard it is to kill you and just how fast you can drop people from shooting them in the back/side.

(Fap Fap Master) #37

Skill is one of the important factors to talk about when it comes to usefulness of a merc, as of right now phantom is useless anywhere except pubs, but even in pubs he still sucks. Playing as phantom on a minimum 10 server would get you wrecked, this is because people greater then lvl 10 know how he works. Btw why give phantom a melee weapon when you can’t even use it thanks to the new system? What makes melee cheap? Its the enemys fault for not being aware is it not? I feel as if phantom was just balanced around people with less then 30 hours game time, which is the wrong audience to balance around.

(Kaori1) #38

Not sure how I feel about a forum moderator taking such a heavy anti-phantom stance. Even people who were on the hate train for Phantom agree that he was overnurfed…and here you are defending it to your last breath. Pay attention and phantom will never be able to touch you…its really that simple. There is no reason to hate the most predictable and avoidable merc in the game. If all you want is a bunch of copy/pasta mercs using the same loadouts, role diversity and SMGs then please go back to Brink.

(Ghosthree3) #39

Forum moderator does nothing but moderate the forums for readability and misconduct. Their views don’t reflect the views of SD.

(Kaori1) #40

But what they say carries at least some weight and his reasoning behind hating phantom is a matter of personal opinion. Just seems unprofessional if you ask me.