Etiquette

(blissfulUrn) #1

Can you guys do something about the general abusive nature of alot of the players towards other players in chat please
it doesnt make for a nice atmosphere while playing nor does it help to build a better gaming community I joined DB on
the 3rd of dec this year and have seen over 30 accounts of people being rasist and just out right rude to one another I have a ton of ss if you would like me to post them on here but im pretty sure the words that are being used are not permitted on here either maby a server wide warning message twice a day or something of the sorts would lower the rate at wich people are being abusive

I think this is my first post its a shame it had to be on a subject such as this

merry christmas to every one that celebrates christmas

(gg2ez) #2

There’s nothing SD/Nexon can do about people being abusive and rude apart from banning them. Freedom of expression is a hard thing to deal with and the internet is an abusive place, if you think people in DB are bad, you haven’t seen the half of it. Welcome to the internet.

(Jostabeere) #3

Words cannot hurt you if you don’t let them hurt you.

(blissfulUrn) #4

disabling their chat for 1 hour first time 3 days 2nd offence 1 week 3rd offence would stop it alltogether they dont hurt me I use foul language all the time when talking I just dont direct it at others in an intentional manner to cause them harm

(tominatorx) #5

Unfortunately many people either don’t understand this or don’t want to understand this…

(Carniege) #6

There’s a difference between freedom of speech and hate crimes though. I know it’s not exactly murder but racism and all the rudeness that I witness too is something that isn’t classified under “freedom of speech” anymore. Like, freedom of speech is saying “I don’t like white people,” and that’s fine cause it’s not offending anyone, but when people say “All white people should drown,” or whatever that’s a hate crime.

I think what @blissfulUrn said about disabling chat would be a very good idea. There are other games that do the same and it does work as the players, even if it doesn’t change the way they act, are not given a chance to act that way to begin with. Maybe if it is a very abusive comment then banning them from the game entirely for a few hours, then days etc would also be quite a reasonable thing.

(fubar) #7

Why do people even care so much? Why do you get offended by a random 12 year old on the other side of the continent calling your momma fat? Why do you even feel the need to read his message?

Why does it bother you so much what other people have to say? You have multiple options here: Ignore him. Mute him. Disable the chat. Join another server. Vote to kick him… All of these take less than a second and are far more effective than any amount of whining and complaining on the forums could ever achieve.

(Jostabeere) #8

Censorship is worse than some meaningless insults.

(gg2ez) #9

There’s a difference between freedom of speech and hate crimes though. I know it’s not exactly murder but racism and all the rudeness that I witness too is something that isn’t classified under “freedom of speech” anymore. Like, freedom of speech is saying “I don’t like white people,” and that’s fine cause it’s not offending anyone, but when people say “All white people should drown,” or whatever that’s a hate crime.

I think what @blissfulUrn said about disabling chat would be a very good idea. There are other games that do the same and it does work as the players, even if it doesn’t change the way they act, are not given a chance to act that way to begin with. Maybe if it is a very abusive comment then banning them from the game entirely for a few hours, then days etc would also be quite a reasonable thing.

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And what do you expect Nexon/SD to do about it? It’s their choice to try and offend you, and it’s your fault if you get offended. Nexon/SD can’t punish people for hate crimes, especially not on the internet. Only by law is a hate crime punishable. Honestly, just toss your “gg” and leave the game if you need to, and you shouldn’t need to.

(Ctrix) #10

Censorship is worse than some meaningless insults.

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You americans totally desolve the meaning of the word censorship.
It’s not censorship if some random guy can’t talk in a video game chat for an hour as a punishment.

Having said that, it’s still a shit idea.

Also at the OP, I am an angry marine salty person. I tend to curse a lot. There’s other people who will curse a lot. It’s a coping mechanism to deal with stress. It’s clinically proven to be beneficial to your general health. Just fucking deal with it. It’s not like they’re actually shouting at you. If they are you can mute their voice chat.

The only people who’re gonna be dicks in chat are those who’re losing the game. If you’re on the winning team, let em have the small pleasure. If they’re on your team, maybe you fucking suck it’s nothing personal.

(SaulWolfden) #11

You don’t have to read or care about what some person you don’t know is saying. Insults and similar garbage is incredibly easy to ignore, you honestly stop caring very quickly if you cared at all. That’s just how the internet and online is.

(Jostabeere) #12

@Ctrix Thank you for calling me an American in a really negative way. This is some nice-ass case of nationalism here. I’m German though. And you act like one 70 years ago.
FIY: Even forbid a guy talking online is censorship.

(blissfulUrn) #13

There’s a difference between freedom of speech and hate crimes though. I know it’s not exactly murder but racism and all the rudeness that I witness too is something that isn’t classified under “freedom of speech” anymore. Like, freedom of speech is saying “I don’t like white people,” and that’s fine cause it’s not offending anyone, but when people say “All white people should drown,” or whatever that’s a hate crime.

I think what @blissfulUrn said about disabling chat would be a very good idea. There are other games that do the same and it does work as the players, even if it doesn’t change the way they act, are not given a chance to act that way to begin with. Maybe if it is a very abusive comment then banning them from the game entirely for a few hours, then days etc would also be quite a reasonable thing.

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And what do you expect Nexon/SD to do about it? It’s their choice to try and offend you, and it’s your fault if you get offended. Nexon/SD can’t punish people for hate crimes, especially not on the internet. Only by law is a hate crime punishable. Honestly, just toss your “gg” and leave the game if you need to, and you shouldn’t need to. [/quote]

thats twice you have asked what do you think Nexon/SD should do about it and a few of us have given you a couple of things they can do to prevent it its not only our duty to be respectfull of others when interacting with people online but also the providers of the services
that we are using to enforce it … coming back to what @carnlege said there is a difference between freedom of speach and hate crimes being rasist or discriminating against others isnt ok doesnt matter wether your online or not its still a crime I do get that people get frustraited and start abusing their monitors I do it my self sometimes when I get downed a ton of times in a row but does that mean you have to type your frustration and
act like neanderthal most people should know better

on a + note I found that if you mute the voice chat you also disable their typed messages
so I have found a solution for my self

so this thread can pretty much end here unless any one else has some they would like to add

(Jostabeere) #14

@blissfulUrn You know, it’s almost impossible to tell about a players race. So racism is kinda…Totally obsolete. And nationalities aren’t races. So saying things like “Stupid American”, “Dumb Russian” or “Fucking German” isn’t considered racism.
And saying something isn’t a hate crime. The same thing as I can say I will murder my neighbour or rob a bank. Noone can sue me for saying these things.
Most of the time people are heavily exaggregating.

(blissfulUrn) #15

[quote=“Jostabeere;129226”]@blissfulUrn You know, it’s almost impossible to tell about a players race. So racism is kinda…Totally obsolete. And nationalities aren’t races. So saying things like “Stupid American”, “Dumb Russian” or “Fucking German” isn’t considered racism.
And saying something isn’t a hate crime. The same thing as I can say I will murder my neighbour or rob a bank. Noone can sue me for saying these things.
Most of the time people are heavily exaggregating.[/quote]

no those terms are classed as freedom of speach because your using nationality not individual color or looks as such * i see you edited it :smiley:

(blissfulUrn) #16

[quote=“blissfulUrn;129230”][quote=“Jostabeere;129226”]@blissfulUrn You know, it’s almost impossible to tell about a players race. So racism is kinda…Totally obsolete. And nationalities aren’t races. So saying things like “Stupid American”, “Dumb Russian” or “Fucking German” isn’t considered racism.
And saying something isn’t a hate crime. The same thing as I can say I will murder my neighbour or rob a bank. Noone can sue me for saying these things.
Most of the time people are heavily exaggregating.[/quote]

no those terms are classed as freedom of speach because your using nationality not individual color or behaviour or looks as such

(Jostabeere) #17

[quote=“blissfulUrn;129230”][quote=“Jostabeere;129226”]@blissfulUrn You know, it’s almost impossible to tell about a players race. So racism is kinda…Totally obsolete. And nationalities aren’t races. So saying things like “Stupid American”, “Dumb Russian” or “Fucking German” isn’t considered racism.
And saying something isn’t a hate crime. The same thing as I can say I will murder my neighbour or rob a bank. Noone can sue me for saying these things.
Most of the time people are heavily exaggregating.[/quote]

no those terms are classed as freedom of speach because your using nationality not individual color or looks as such * i see you edited it :D[/quote]

Simply added the last line. Did not change anything.

(blissfulUrn) #18

my edit didnt edit it quoted myself !

(Ctrix) #19

[quote=“Jostabeere;129226”]@blissfulUrn You know, it’s almost impossible to tell about a players race. So racism is kinda…Totally obsolete. And nationalities aren’t races. So saying things like “Stupid American”, “Dumb Russian” or “Fucking German” isn’t considered racism.
And saying something isn’t a hate crime. The same thing as I can say I will murder my neighbour or rob a bank. Noone can sue me for saying these things.
Most of the time people are heavily exaggregating.[/quote]

I guess if you tell your kid to stop calling people on the street assholes you’re censoring him/her.

No you dumbass that’s not what censorship means. Censorship implies agenda, supression of actual information, not people being dicks to each other.
I called you a dumb American, because the american cultural definition of free speech states that forbidding someone by law to call someone else a stupid or whatever is considered censorship. If you’re German you should better be aware that insulting someone is a suable offence. This is even before discrimination comes into it.


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(Carniege) #20

@gg2ez I personally don’t get offended, because I just dash that mad comeback and everything is settled, or I hunt them down and tea bag them in the game, but that’s not the point. What I was saying is that it is a very negative thing and I don’t think other players who do care about what is said, even though it’s very irrational to care but you know some people can’t take as much as others, like it. In my opinion, we would basically be doing them a favour of restricting them of speech as it shows that there are consequences to what they say. There were cases of people tracking down ips of bullies and severely harming them in real life. Not that I care about the lives of people who are offensive for no reason, but yano.

Also I like the “just toss your gg and leave” because it would be more annoying to them than banning them :smiley:

And @blissfulUrn and I both told you about what Nexon/whatever can do about it, so why did you ask again lol

@Fubar You make a good argument about muting them and stuff ngl but from my point of view it is better to teach people to not be so rude rather than simply ignoring them as it can cause them to be rude to certain people who wont ignore them eventually in their life and more severe consequences would happen than simply disabling chat. Such as disabling their spinal cord.

@Jostabeere that is a very good point about censorship being more severe than insults but if the censorship is due to negative behavior which would give the community a negative view from the third party, I think it shouldn’t be that much worse.