ET weapons. Will there be any changes from beta?

(raibs) #1

I have played for some days the leaked beta of ET. With all the respect to the game that i have been waiting since it was first announced, there are some changes done in the gameplay that most of the players seem not so eager to accept.
The most dramaticall is mp40/thompson fire rate change. The other one is the sniper rifle which is even twice less usefull than in original rtcw.

Can someone give a good point why this was done?

i can name some not so pleasing outcomes:

  • mostly gamers (especially new gamers) want to feel they are holding the almost real and a BIG gun - which means the weapon has to have a decent fire rate. i can reach a faster fire rate from pistol than from SMG’s in ET beta test.
  • its harder to hit a target with a low fire rate weapon and if we add some packet loss there is even more accidental missing.
  • sniper rifle without an option to kill with one shot (let it be headshot) is kinda useless weapon - because despite of the silencer u mostly can not hide long enough to hit a target again. The sniper has to able to kill with one shot, or we do not need a sniper at all (remember that he can not gib the bodies). Just to be clear I really like sniping in rtcw - because of the effect not being able to hold the weapon steady.
    -one more argument is that lowering damage and fire rates u are taking away smth we already have. and taking away without asking is not a good idea at all :slight_smile:
  • making players hard to kill is not a good idea either. new players WOULD NOT benefit from that, as an accidental headshot does not change much in a fight. and this is not fun in the long run as well - as you can run and hop, run and hop, run and hop till u just step on the land mine.

So any reasons behind those changes?

BTW: The game itself is awesome!

(head_slinger) #2

I personally think the new weapons are alot better, they seem alot more balanced to me. The days of MP40 snipers are gone :clap:

(Weaver24) #3

Honeslty, posts like this really piss me off. You obviously don’t understand the word BETA. Beta means its not done yet! If you want to complain about the game, wait until the offical release. Also, SD is not taking any opinions from people who werent supposed to be playing the game in the first place.

(raibs) #4

actually this post was to point attention to smth that can be changed BEFORE official test. and if someone does not pay attention to the reaction of the target audience, its a poor attitude.
The game is great, but there are some flaws - they might be only psychological - they might only seem to be flaws for a new player - but if they seem so - they are, because ppl wont play smth that they think is bugged or not so attracting.
i waited for rtcw since it was announced and was one of the first to make an article on the test version in my country, i played in several clans after that and still do. i play in our nations team and i play a lot on publics. I waited for ET since it was announced and i always were on ET side in my jugdements and opinions.
The Only little feature that, not personaly me, but 80 % of other rtcw players i talked to, do not like in ET is THE RATE OF FIRE FOR TOMMY AND MP40. its just such simple.
thx for the work splash damage. The game is great!

(spence) #5

Well said Raibs this is the exact same reason why I have been posting also about the voices in a desperate hope that somebody takes note of our comments. So, big up yerself mate for speaking up !!! :drink:

(raibs) #6

i just wanted to add, that some posts sound too offensive. i guess noone of us criticisers has meant anything bad. posting those things just shows how deep we are stuck in this game and how much we have waited for ET :slight_smile:

(Nikon) #7

raibs is right! We dont wanna fire rate code like Mohaa, BF42 shits!! Plz return back the original weapon code from NERVE, from original RTCW!!! IT IMPOSSIBLE TO HIT anything with tommy and mp40, specially for long distances. :frowning:

The game looks GREAT, but return the original weapons, plz!!

(pack) #8

K

This will help:

/devmap fueldump
/timescale 1.5
/map fueldump

you will need rcon for this, but fire rate will be higher

(ReivaX) #9

hey where did you get the leaked beta ive waited so long :banghead: and ive looked everywhere if anyone knows where to get plz reply or mail it to me. thx in advance :drink:

(Locki) #10

This is not the place to ask for the leaked beta :slight_smile:

Paul/Locki.

(daalig) #11

Actually, I love the new fire rates, I find with the new fire rates there is so much more action and stability in the game.

Since I’m 56k, when someone would take by suprise I wouldn’t even get time to react on the old Wolf, but with this new fire rate, and I get to have much more one on one battles. Which makes the game much more fun and enjoyful. If you increase the fire rates for smg, it throws the balance of all the other weapons.

For example, the Sten. In the original it was pretty hopeless weapon, but now, the Sten is quite usefull for the Covert Ops, it’s more effective in killing, since the fire rate of the SMG lowered. Also rasing the SMG fire rate would make the paratrooper rifle even more crappy, it’s a great weapon, but I wouldn’t mind seeing more accuracy with it.

Plus, there has been so many times when I’ve been covert ops and in enemy unform, and my team mates started shooting me, with lower fire rates, I can run like a little girl and get out of there. :smiley:

Oh yeah, anyone notice the nice panzer jumping you can do at the start of allie spawn, nice fun. :cool:

(Weaver24) #12

I wonder if all this talk about “Oh I play the leaked beta” Or “The beta sucks” Is pissing off the Devs. Nothing meant by this post, just wondering

(digibob) #13

Just go grab the test :stuck_out_tongue:

(MyWay) #14

I’ve played RTCW for a long time both at publics and cvars since it was released. I discussed all the stuff u talked about here with my “clan-matesâ€? and friends. 80% of the people told me that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY THIS GAME WITH THAT TOMMY /MP40 SHOOTING RATES AND THAT GAME-SOUNDS. Just impossible. IT is possible BUT NOT CONVENIENT to play this game with this grenade-code. So… I understand that it’s just beta. Plzzzzzzzzzz, do it right guys!!
PS Exclude the sounds, rates and grenades – the game is really…. u know!

(Nikon) #15

2 daalig: U MUST BE a MOHAA player, r u? :slight_smile:

I have the same feelinhs as MyWay has! :frowning:

(MyWay) #16

MOHAA? BF!($@ :angry: I really hate that games!
After official ET mat test release, my friends set up the server with better ping for me, so for the next 3 days I’ll be lost for my famaly :bored: We’ll see in details, I mean not only physics, sounds etc. but also gameplay and interface. :beer:

(EiseN) #17

Daalig from what you are saying, you sound like someone playing soldiers or spooks mainly. But basically the fun factors for THOSE WHO USE SMG’s is ruined. Now I can understand it is fun staying alive longer that’s true :slight_smile:
No offence intended.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the paratrooper rifle more accurate, to balance things as you say. Last thing, about the sten in Wolf you are just plain wrong. Watch some cK matches for example:), or Warrior :). THe list is long.
My apologies if I sound rude but I do not wish to see Wolf tranformed in a noobish approximative war-like game. ET as of now is less interesting than most FPS out there. Couldnt beat Wolf, neither DoD nor CS nor BF1942 etc
The game, if the problematic features are removed, could be successful. As of now it’s not.

(Nikon) #18

daalig is mohaa fun. Normal people, which played original RTCW cant say, that the rate of fire is better know…

Congrats SplashDamage, u have done nice datadisk for MoHAA or battlefield 1942, but its not wolf anymore! :frowning:

BattleField funs is celebrating, Wolf funs is just crying.