"Don't deliver, need the combat xp" - humiliating enemies for xp

[BerylRdm]

By level 14 i could do most reliably

I see that we are agreeing, then

[Ballto]

[quote=“Beryl;142660”]

By level 14 i could do most reliably

I see that we are agreeing, then [/quote]

the argument was that someone low level (level 14 counts as low level) would never do well against someone high level (20-30+)

high levels will be better than a new player at map trick jumps, say the longjump on the chapel fence for the flanking MG behind defender spawn, but in actual combat they can be as if not more effective and they still know the alternate paths. fancy jumping to get places (or flee) helps, but isnt a major deciding factor in how good someone is. I could be able to with 100% efficiency do every trick jump in the game, that wouldnt mean much if i had bad aim though

[Dustaz]

What do you think about such behaviour?

I think You could have delivered it 5 times (counted) during those 5 minutes, so You kind of contributed to that behaviour.

Also, why are You people so obsessed with levels? This is not rpg. Lvl =/= skill. If someone is bad at games, lvl and experience won’t help. I’ve seen plenty of good lvl 8 guys and some terrible 40+ ones. It’s about the player, not their lvl. It’s just another excuse to not get better and let others carry You.

[Ballto]

[quote=“Dustaz;142666”][quote=“Beryl;23525”]
What do you think about such behaviour?
[/quote]

I think You could have delivered it 5 times (counted) during those 5 minutes, so You kind of contributed to that behaviour.

Also, why are You people so obsessed with levels? This is not rpg. Lvl =/= skill. If someone is bad at games, lvl and experience won’t help. I’ve seen plenty of good lvl 8 guys and some terrible 40+ ones. It’s about the player, not their lvl. It’s just another excuse to not get better and let others carry You.
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that.

a level is completely arbitrary in DB. i can get level 90 by fucking a wall and only earning stick around and long defence exp

[BerylRdm]

I think You could have delivered it 5 times (counted) during those 5 minutes, so You kind of contributed to that behaviour.

I had only two chances to deliver it. The fact that the guy dropped it didn’t mean I was able to get to the obj faster than him after his collegue revived him or to pick it up when five enemies would fire at me. But it’s interesting that you focused on me. I appreciate your attention

the argument was that someone low level would never do well against someone high level

I didn’t write anything like this. What I mean is that, to the certain point, there is a very high chance that a guy with the considerably higher level will be better because of his experience in this certain game. It’s obvious to me that it’s not a rule.

[Ballto]

[quote=“Beryl;142673”]
I didn’t write anything like this. What I mean is that, to the certain point, there is a very high chance that a guy with the considerably higher level will be better because of his experience in this certain game. It’s obvious to me that it’s not a rule.[/quote]

fair enough, i will concede to a misunderstanding and that while a level 70 has a higher chance than a fresh install because hes used to mechanics, so long as you also concede (which im taking as you have) that that same fresh install could do just as well against the same 70 when he realizes “Oh, i should jump like a motherfucker and shoot from hip more”

[Naralin]

@Balto

What about having a private match, you pick 4 under level 10 people with you and play against a team full of 40+.
Out of 10 games, how many will you win?

You seem to focus on “you can aim better at level 2 than a level 50”. That is true but not the point.
Being higher level means longer time playing the game, learning the mechanics, maps, mercs, objectives etc… Those are more important than aim. As you said, anyone can aim. But having a player doing what his merc role is supposed to do is what makes you win a game.

The best mechanic I can think of is your decision making with respawn timer.
e.g: rushing the attackers team with a 20s respawn time and letting them having free objectives by dying.
Fair enough, it happens with high level as well but it’s more common with low level players.

[BerylRdm]

@Balto yup. There is a chance that someone new will do good against 70 when they shoot at each other. But consider that there is even a lower chance that the same newb will contribute much to the obj. Do we agree?

[Dustaz]

But it’s interesting that you focused on me. I appreciate your attention

It’s interesting that no one did. It’s like You would record 2 guys beating someone, instead of helping him. Then posting it on some forums and asking “hey guys, what do You think of that behaviour? It’s bad, right?”

[quote=“Beryl;142673”]
I had only two chances to deliver it. The fact that the guy dropped it didn’t mean I was able to get to the obj faster than him after his collegue revived him or to pick it up when five enemies would fire at me.[/quote]

You won’t be able to do that just by standing in the corner, doing nothing, that’s for sure. Trust me, that was enough to pick it up 5 times, especially with F1 proxy. And I wouldn’t really worry about “5 enemies firing at You”

[BerylRdm]

You won’t be able to do that just by standing in the corner, doing nothing, that’s for sure. Trust me, that was enough to pick it up 5 times, especially with F1 proxy

Maybe you’re right Sadly, we will never know for sure. But I ended it at the very first occasion I thought I could. Also, it’s not like I planned to record this from the beginning. I use nvidia shadow play, so I can save last X minutes of the game. Idea of saving this came up to my mind right after game ended.

[Jams_by_Betty]

It’s a legitimate strategy. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

[N8o]

“Teams looked fairly even at the start cause we all know level doesn’t matter”
You lying little turd.
We all know how effective the majority of level 1-7s are versus level 10s and 20s. (Even have a level 30…)

[mirthfulPicture]

I miss the lan parties from the 90ies when you could just stand up, walk over to the douche and smack him in the head when he misbehaved.

[BerylRdm]

We all know how effective the majority of level 1-7s are versus level 10s and 20s. (Even have a level 30…)

People on the internet said levels don’t matter, so this must be true! Also, I read it in the Daily Mail.

[Feley]

[quote=“Beryl;142712”]

We all know how effective the majority of level 1-7s are versus level 10s and 20s. (Even have a level 30…)

People on the internet said levels don’t matter, so this must be true! Also, I read it in the Daily Mail.[/quote]

I think I’ve seen only one or two games where teams with low levels beating high level team (by high level team I mean at least 3-4 ppl that are higher than level 10, while other team has none of those)

There were lots of games like this, and every single one was stompage, yet ppl are saying levels doesn’t matter… Sure thing…

[SnakekillerX]

[quote=“Beryl;142712”]

We all know how effective the majority of level 1-7s are versus level 10s and 20s. (Even have a level 30…)

People on the internet said levels don’t matter, so this must be true! Also, I read it in the Daily Mail.[/quote]

There is a difference in saying levels don’t matter and having a team almost completely made of up brand new players.

In most cases levels don’t matter, given those players have a proper understanding of the game, maps and mercs.

This process takes longer for some players than others, which is why your level means very little, but its fairly obvious if the team is made up of level 3’s and 1’s that they are obviously not familiar enough with the game and will get dominated.

This match had to be stacked, there is no way all of those players were all present from lobby and the game matched it up that way by itself.

[Feley]

[quote=“SnakekillerX;142735”][quote=“Beryl;142712”]

We all know how effective the majority of level 1-7s are versus level 10s and 20s. (Even have a level 30…)

People on the internet said levels don’t matter, so this must be true! Also, I read it in the Daily Mail.[/quote]

There is a difference in saying levels don’t matter and having a team almost completely made of up brand new players.

In most cases levels don’t matter, given those players have a proper understanding of the game, maps and mercs.

This process takes longer for some players than others, which is why your level means very little, but its fairly obvious if the team is made up of level 3’s and 1’s that they are obviously not familiar enough with the game and will get dominated.

This match had to be stacked, there is no way all of those players were all present from lobby and the game matched it up that way by itself.[/quote]

Once again…

Level = XP/min * Time (in minutes)

XP/min = Skill factor… I don’t care if it is medic skill or combat skill… If you are doing your job right, you are skilled for your job!

Time = Experience factor… This is factor that is helping you being better but not that much cause you learn almost everything there is to lvl 20… (There are probably more things to learn…)

If you are doing bad at XP, and are still very high level, that means you got your levels through time playing… With time there comes map knowledge, after that, you are getting better at awareness, since you are learning from your own mistakes… You will know where mines are placed mostly, as well, where to expect Vassili to be camping… Also while in combat against enemy, you’ll learn where not to go for enemies to get an advantage, when to take advantage, or stop following enemies to kill them (all those stuff)…

All those factors are learned through experience, so even unskilled, but high level player is hell of an opponent…

Let’s face it, you can’t learn DB mechanics and style in any other game… Heck even if there was Dirty Bomb 2, it wouldn’t be completely same… You are learning through time, and that is what makes gap between levels very high…

[SnakekillerX]

Once again…

Level = XP/min * Time (in minutes)

XP/min = Skill factor… I don’t care if it is medic skill or combat skill… If you are doing your job right, you are skilled for your job!

Time = Experience factor… This is factor that is helping you being better but not that much cause you learn almost everything there is to lvl 20… (There are probably more things to learn…)

What? Level has nothing to do with XP/min, or time played.
Which is exactly why a player level is one of the worst things to base whether a player is a good or not.

I was doing very well since I started playing DB, and part of the reason is because I’ve always been good at most FPS games I’ve played.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21016509/Screenshots/DBlvl3.jpg

Some of the people in the match were higher level than me, some more than double but I still top scored. (on my team)

If I were playing against people level 30 or so, maybe it wouldn’t have turned out that way, or maybe it would have… since it all depends on the individual player’s skill.

Score per minute is the closest possible thing we could have to determine skill, but it is still flawed as it still doesn’t take into consider many things going on in the match.

Regardless, commenting that level doesn’t matter then showing a screenshot of a stacked team vs a bunch of noobs is a pretty lame thing to argue. I’m sure there are many people who could post screenshots of them owning high level players as well but don’t as it would come off as showing off and douchey .

While levels may matter to a degree, this is a null point by at least level 10 or so.

EDIT:
Also, fun fact, I played Fletcher (one of my worst mercs) in this match.
See I sound douchey now right?

[Dustaz]

If you are doing bad at XP, and are still very high level, that means (…)

That means someone is stupid and won’t learn much at this point. You will not magically get good just by achieving lvl XX. It’s all about intelligence, not lvl. Some people learn faster, some slower, others don’t learn at all.

[Feley]

I think you get a level after getting 200000 xp after level 20… Thats why it is xp based, and that is why people with higher score in games will level faster than those that will get lower scores… But both of those people will learn from their experience from playing… I didn’t say lvl 30 > lvl 10… I said lvl 30 is most likely > lvl 10

Levels are determined by XP in total, and xp in total can be also said as XP/min*Time (in minutes)

If you have 200000 xp it can be said as… 1000 xp/min * 200 minutes or 500 xp/min * 400 minutes or 10000 xp/min * 20 minutes.

I get your point, as I was previously thinking that you learn everything there is by level 15… But when you see high level player stomping others, it is probably mostly from skills, but it has a great deal to do with experience… He knows when enemy will show up on some spot only by looking at respawn timer, he will know when will he be ambushed or something like that, and he will be careful because he experienced it before…

There will always be new things to learn, even if they are not that significant or important, you will always learn by playing game some new stuff that you will be careful about next time you play.