Does Phantom make the game more fun?

(capriRocket) #81

i avoid him now, its not fun.
i also quit playing him, feels cheap.

pissed me off again, went to play quake.

(Fap Fap Master) #82

Phantom stomps noobs, noobs go cry on the forum. Go onto a minimum lvl 10 server as phantom. He struggles against pros.

(loonyTop) #83

Noobs can’t play, noobs buy Phantom convince themselves they really are decent players and they really are helping the objective. They are for reals.

(nimbleIcebox) #84

I think the general addition of a stealth merc makes the game more Fun.

But it is by no means Phantom as he is now. He has to get nerfed or changed in a major way imo.
He acceals in way to many aspects, he needs either to be way squishier or make way less damage or be much slower or … or … or … or just a good combination of all of these.

(nuxx) #85

It’s cheap as hell , before he was introduced the game was much enjoyable. You literally have phantoms standing still waiting on plants, or sneaking up behind a group of team mates who
worked hard to recover a position and just get knifed. I loved the game b4 but this really hurts it. The ones who do like phantom are more than likely ones who struggled to do well before and now have found a cheap tactic to do so

(Jojack) #86

lol.

minimum lvl 10 are pros? Funny, I can still top the scoreboard and have double the kills of anyone else on either team as Phantom in those servers. Can’t do it with any other merc aside from Fragger, who I can do it occasionally with.

disclaimer: unless there are actual pros in the server, in which case they slaughter me along with all the other wannabe pros.

(blueSparrow) #87

He’s too powerful right now and can solo half a team because of that shield. He should be squishier. That insane nearly 1-hit kill damage should only be okay if he’s squishy, but he’s not.

He’s a tank mage, just like multiple Rhinos on an objective. 1 may be counterable, but you stack 2 or more and you’re totally f-d.

(Spyder) #88

I think the real question is, when is the nerf coming? Im tired of server hoping to find a phantomless server. This game USE to be fun.

(Inucune) #89

No. getting spawn camped by three fast guys with 1-off swords and cloak is not fun. This just turns the game into a ninja kill fest. However, if the cloak is changed so that it only works when walking slow or standing still, that might be better. think halo active camo. i primarily play a medic(aura) and i can tell you that with the new class, it is worthless as they mop all the people on the ground so i don’t get any revives.

Fast movement, near perfect-cloak, fast melee and armor are a dream for trolling.

(humaneCushion) #90

As a whole, Phantom makes the game less fun.

The way his cloak is designed, it’s not a tool for stealth, it’s a tool for terror.

The partial invisibility dosen’t make it hard to track him if you find him, but it makes it hard to find him in the first place(partially also due to the playstyle it rewards).
Aside from rare instances of a Phantom sitting in one spot, the cloak has very little purpose in terms of actual concealment.

Then there’s the sound…
When a phantom activates his cloak, he dosen’t do so to hide from you, no, he wants you to know exactly where he is: he’s coming for you. And there’s nothing you can do about it.

Phantom’s cloak, is essentially a jump scare, and jump scares are fun only once.

(Ghosthree3) #91

You’re not playing it right then. Those classes are actually the worst for Phantom to deal with if they’re smart because he can’t catch them. Stop trying to bring him down before he gets to you and start hauling ass to cover/your team first.

(FailJertsu) #92

I like it when people have started sticking together instead of just going full yolomode thanks to Phantom, but we all know that he’s in a need of a nerf right now.

I still like playing this game tho.

(loonyTop) #93

[quote=“Ghosthree3;45847”]
You’re not playing it right then. Those classes are actually the worst for Phantom to deal with if they’re smart because he can’t catch them. Stop trying to bring him down before he gets to you and start hauling ass to cover/your team first.[/quote]

What? Is he supposed to be psychic and know what people Phantom is going to kill? As he said, he can’t do those things because Phantom 1 hits people in the back and they are either killed outright or you expect a medic to be able to run over to a downed player while Phantom is cloaked and do… what? Stop trying to bring him down? What world are you living in?

All these people going ‘you have to pay more attention’ or ‘you’re not playing it right’ are just fucking idiots. What the fuck do you think people are doing? Just running around game while they do their taxes or make bread? you assholes are like people who don’t turn their lights on when driving because ‘Well, I can see everyone else’. Medics have been destroyed by Phantom because Phantom players are cowards and just go around and pick off support players because they know they won’t be advancing and are covering attacking or fixing players. You act as if players are just constantly running around like an energizer bunny. And no one is going to risk running over to a downed player if there is a Phantom camping cloaked waiting. Medics don’t run towards downed players who are being shot at because they know they are running into gunfire too. With Phantom you just don’t fucking know so it’s not worth risking.

(VYR3) #94

He isnt terribly broken like everyone says, just annoying as hell.

the katana’s right click is way too easy to use, the left click attacks too fast and can out DPS basically everything unless you’re streaming headshots onto him when hes bunny hopping at point blank range making it impossible to see his head.

they should make some changes to the katana, or just remove it, and make some changes to the shield. I think the shield should provide a damage redux instead of god mode until it wears off, cause right now it makes a cloaked phantom able to survive a MOA headshot, and thats not right at all.

(Ghosthree3) #95

Don’t change the argument, he never said he died going for revives. He said he died playing squishy classes like Sparks and Aura. Sparks doesn’t even have to go in for revives so it wouldn’t be an issue anyway. In fact she has the most chance to not be killed by the sword as she can sit way back and keep a careful eye on Phantom coming in. I personally long jumped away from a Phantom then turned around to shoot him to death before he could kill me 3 times tonight as Sparks.

Yes, that’s exactly what I think people do. Most people are completely clueless and unaware of their surroundings. I’ve seen Phantoms come up behind groups of 3+ people then kill them one by one while the rest of the group remains oblivious to the fact people are dying right behind them. People in this game are fucking dumb, don’t try and make that ok.

This is by far the stupidest analogy I’ve ever read.

(Yak) #96

They just need to increase the volume and range of the sound the shield makes and I’d be happy. Right now you’d have to be superman to hear it over all the gunfire and explosions.

(RaubRitter) #97

Amazes me how all the defenders of Phantom say go slow, situational awareness, etc. Things you could do in DayZ when you have all the time you want to waste.

Dirty Bomb has TIMED scenarios. You go totally tactical as the attackers and you lose. At least give us the option of Thermal sensors, Infrared (don’t tell me wait for Redeye, he is in future and Phantom is slashing now), or even Silly String and IED booby traps (fishing line + grenade + no back-stab usually).

I just want to know what kind of all powerful battery he sprints around with to power his invisiblity cloak - SOOOOOOO jealous!

(Alchimi) #98

Yeah I just played against a row of really really REALLY bad phantoms. As in I knifed one to death with a light merc and chain gunned several of them as Vassili. And I’m casual as it gets. At some point I got killed by a phantom who rushed me in the back, like 99.99% of kills made by phantoms.

That merc as a whole is bad game design, imho. He goes against the whole design of the game, which makes it’s selling point that it’s a hard game and that you need to adapt.
Feels to me that as soon a phantom players learns to not suidice rush he will have a ez time. If he waits in corridor he has like the biggest advantage ever. He’s not fun to play against, he’s not fun to play with. He’s just something between a minor annoyance and a “Oh hey a phantom killed me in the back… meh”

Feels like the generic stealth “I’ll knife you in the back like a assassin god and go on bragging how badass I am” character that player will complain not to have.

I love Dirty Bomb, really. But this merc doesn’t belong here. He’s boring as shit.

(Alchimi) #99

Tell you what, I stepped for the first time in competitive last night. There was hardly one between both team. And he didn’t do much apart shooting from a distance. And dying with his katana in hand.

He’s just a “meh” merc. Really.

(Suave) #100

I own Phantom and i think it’s fine, the first days he was crazy strong, now people are learning.

In competitive mode he’s rarely played because he doesn’t fit a real role, Fragger or Nader are better picks most of the time.
I’ve seen MANY horrible Phantoms as well.
People need to play smarter now and it’s happening, proxy sets mine behind the team as well, Vassili finally uses his motion detector more, turrets get used defensively as well and there’s more counters coming.

I for one, have no trouble seeing Phantoms, people cry that he’s completely invisible which is BS.

I like that Phantom, in the right circumstances, can take out people hugging aura’s healing base, then again, there are other mercs who can clear those, like fletcher, nader, fragger, and in many cases artillery too.
He can also counter reztrains, which, let’s be honest, are a bit ridiculous (i main Sparks).

One very important thing though, people cry a lot but should compare him to Rhino/Fragger/Nader, he has no fast defuse, no (self)heals, no (team) ammo, no artillery.
Before Phantom i saw teams with 4 auras running around shotgunning or hugging a healstation, Phantom counters that a little.

Is he good at killing? Sure, especially in close range and from behind, not that he’s 100% useless otherwise, but there are better picks. Most of the team you’d even benefit the team better by playing Nader/Fragger/Rhino(who btw, counters Phantom really well)

People also need to realize that melee is just really good in this game, since i played Phantom i melee a LOT more with my other mercs, it’s just really efficient.

I’m not saying he’s a bad merc, not at all, i just think that the people crying are not very experienced yet.

Is it annoying to get killed by Phantom?? DEFINATELY! Though honestly i get more pissed off by instakills from Fragger nades.