Does anyone know if....

(JNDK22) #1

If this game will come to te xbox 360? For the Pc when is a demo due out.

(fattakin) #2

360, possibly - id are moving towards cross platform games (see RTCW2)

demo, no date given. Same for release date. Good possibility there will be one before the end of the year / after Quakecon.

(Rhoades) #3

I believe a dev said that a demo will be release a couple weeks before the game release.

(Joe999) #4

it was a guy from activision who said the demo would be released 3 to 5 weeks before game release:

http://www.totalquakewars.com/features/interviews/totalqw1.php

(mortis) #5

“RtCW2 coming to xbox 360 in 2007 and to PC as a crappy port in 2009!”

Taglines like these are in the near future for PC users, sadly. I wish kiddies would learn to use PCs. Show me the console that allows me to play, use web admin, IRC, xfire, FTP and listen to my mp3s simultaneously and then get back to me.

(Joe999) #6

they say the PS3 can do that, or at least you can run linux on it and hence get the progs you like. it’ll kick the 360s ass so badly media-center wise. and besides they say that they don’t charge for online gameing like M$ does it with their xbox live service. i’m curious 'bout that, we’ll see in a few months if that’s true.

(mortis) #7

True, but when running linux it’s just a crappy, underpowered computer IIRC. I don’t think you can run your console games AND boot linux simultaneously.

(Wils) #8

Most people don’t do all that at once, though. It’s usually cheaper to buy a couple of consoles (to cover all the games you want to play) and a lower spec PC for surfing and email and whatnot. Or, spend the same amount and get a laptop and console(s), which is arguably more flexible.

That said, people have been proclaiming the death of PC gaming for the last decade and a half. The most noticable change I’ve seen over the years is a tendency to focus on the genres that work best on each specific platform. What the PC lacks in fighting, sports and racing games, it more than makes up for in simulation, strategy and first-person games.

(Hakuryu) #9

Its usually cheaper? Have you seen the prices lately? A couple of consoles would be near $1,000 for a 360 and a PS3.

I have a 700 watt Kenwood surround sound system with powered subwoofer, and a nice DVD player that plays MP3’s. If I want a console, I dont want redundant features I already have. Give me a $199 console to play games and some outputs to run it through my existing hardware.

Besides, you dont have the flexibility of a PC with a console. Sure you can listen to music, but can you burn it to CD or DVD, mix it with a program, create your own labels, or any of a host of other things on a console?

(mortis) #10

mortis wrote:
Show me the console that allows me to play, use web admin, IRC, xfire, FTP and listen to my mp3s simultaneously and then get back to me.

Most people don’t do all that at once, though. It’s usually cheaper to buy a couple of consoles (to cover all the games you want to play) and a lower spec PC for surfing and email and whatnot. Or, spend the same amount and get a laptop and console(s), which is arguably more flexible.

That said, people have been proclaiming the death of PC gaming for the last decade and a half. The most noticable change I’ve seen over the years is a tendency to focus on the genres that work best on each specific platform. What the PC lacks in fighting, sports and racing games, it more than makes up for in simulation, strategy and first-person games.

It’s true that I’m a power user (I need at least 1GB of RAM to keep all my apps open), and I agree that certain games (racing, 1v1 fighting, etc work much better on a console.) The part where I turn green is the word “port” or “simultaneously developed for both platforms”, because I’m not convinced that is possible. Some platforms, as discussed, are more x86 friendly than others. I think its really, really difficult (but not impossible) to have a game designed for use on a keyboard work well on a controller, and have it be 100% compatible when gaming online between PC users and console users. I certainly hope you’re right about rumors of PC death being exaggerated, but my gut tells me that consoles will be in the driver’s seat, and will drive the market their way.

(Hakuryu) #11

For the argument that some games work better on consoles - bullsquat. Those games work better with a console controller, which is available for the PC. I play GTA:SA, NFS:MW, and Tony Hawk games on the PC using a Logitech dual action controller.

They look better than their console counterparts at higher resolutions, add options like listening to your own MP3’s in GTA, are change-able through mods (try getting hot-coffee on a console), and list goes on and on… PC’s generally own consoles. :smiley:

(Wils) #12

Hence ‘usually’ :slight_smile:

The 360 will come down in price (like every console does over it’s lifetime), and if the PS3 launches and stays at that price… well, maybe Sony know something the rest of the world doesn’t.

Besides, if you’re not planning on playing games on you PC you can cut quite a significant portion of the cost and downgrade a bunch to get something which still works out cheaper, even with that $1000 ‘console tax’. Bear in mind that you upgrade less frequently with this sort of setup, too.

I have a 700 watt Kenwood surround sound system with powered subwoofer, and a nice DVD player that plays MP3’s. If I want a console, I dont want redundant features I already have. Give me a $199 console to play games and some outputs to run it through my existing hardware.

Fair enough, but I suspect you’re in the minority there, otherwise it would be viable for console manufacturers to offer that sort of thing.

Besides, you dont have the flexibility of a PC with a console. Sure you can listen to music, but can you burn it to CD or DVD, mix it with a program, create your own labels, or any of a host of other things on a console?

We’re back on this sliding scale again. Most people don’t burn CD or DVDs, or make mixes, or create labels. If you do, you have the option of putting more money into that cheap PC and still getting two consoles for the price of a high end CPU and graphics card.

Or, you can put all your money into that uber PC and just play PC games, which is fair enough :slight_smile:

(Joe999) #13

i think it all comes down to the games. there aren’t good games out for the 360. i have a 360, last time i played on it was 2 months ago. then i started to play ET regularly again. and 2 weeks ago i bought a game: god of war. it’s for the ps2, it’s awesome. the 360 doesn’t have any game which is that good. funny thing: last week i read that the ps2 is already outselling the 360 in the states.

i think the ps3 will outsell the 360. sony just has the better games. besides the ps3 is also a blu-ray player. some people will buy it because of the high-def stuff, and once they have it they’ll buy games for it as well. and if i calculate what the 360 + hd drive costs, it’s the same what the ps3 costs: 600$. but you can also take the cheaper version of the ps3 which is only 500$. and $ony doesn’t charge a fee for going live (at least they say so), M$ does. the ps3 isn’t more expensive than the 360, but still more and more people who first said they’ll buy one will skip it. M$ is just better at lying.

anyway, the Wii will pwn them all :slight_smile:

(Rhoades) #14

lol, wii ftw.

(madness) #15

racing is not better on consoles…yeah they may have more arcade crap, but simulators own on PC with steering wheel+pedals

(ouroboro) #16

Consoles are completely worthless trash.

(Black_Forky) #17

I’m going to get a Wii. A game library of 10 years and the console starts at 250$.

(Wils) #18

The problem is, there are no real controller standards on the PC. You can’t guarantee that the person buying the game even HAS a controller (as opposed to a joystick, or… nothing), let alone what buttons/axes are available, or how they’re mapped.

So, the games suffer - controller schemes can’t be tweaked properly, and aren’t reliable across different manufacturers.

I’d also like to introduce the concept of multiple controllers and a sofa to this argument. Nobody writes sofa-friendly, split-screen multiplayer PC racing games because there’s no market for them. You can extend this concept to fighting games and most sports games.

I don’t know what all the fuss is about, really, and some of the comments above are quite disappointing. You’re posting on the forum of a PC FPS developer, and without question, the PC is THE platform on which to play first person shooters. I don’t see how that can change until consoles come with mice and keyboard as standard, and an open internet connection for multiplayer.

This is somewhat subjective, and I actually attempted to seperate the two by including simulations in my earlier argument. I find it a bit ironic that Gran Turismo could be considered ‘arcade crap’, but Wolf ET somehow escapes this slur, despite its 18mph player movement and trick jumps.

(jjpron) #19

Wii is going to clean the house. I hope someone makes a nice shooter for its remote. (hint, hint SD)
For what it’s worth SD, the only reason I still own a Winblows PC is because of Wolf ET, and QW.

At least I hope Illusion can come up with some good ideas for utilising the wiimote.
http://www.illusion.jp/

(Joe999) #20

reminds me i should turn on the 360 again. do you know burnout? it’s the best racing game i’ve ever played, every version of it pwnz. the best one is on the 360. if a friend of you got it, try to play it on a high def tv with dd5.1 surround sound while you relax on the couch. it’s uber-awesomeness, you’ll change your opinion instantly. no pc racer can give you that feeling of fun & speed & control & gameplay. i haven’t seen a game yet which is that fast and smooth at a resolution of 720p. which brings me to the main advantage of consoles: console on, dvd in, play. it’s as simple as that. no messing around with bad drivers, installation, copy protection, etc.