Does Aimee overshadow Vassilli too much?

(Ohsnapkline) #1

what does everyone think?

Aimee being a sniper with an ability that has more utility and synergy than Vassilli’s, why should I pick Vassilli anymore?

(LifeupOmega) #2

Aimee gets Quick Eye on all weapons, that’s enough for me tbh. Vas was pushed into uselessness by Redeye before though, especially with removal of all his mobility, no reason to use him at all.

(blufflord) #3

its to discourage ppl from using vasilli, so we wont end up with the culprit being him, and getting his S.E card

(Ohsnapkline) #4

they should give Vassilli a Claymore that can either temporarily snare, immobilizes or trip the enemy while marking him

(Tanker_Ray) #5

Unless the Felix one shots the weakened enemies, I’m not sure.

Vassili’s MOA is like his signature bolt action sniper rifle of whole DB, so we’ll have to see how the hip fire spread nerf is going to affect him, since MOA’s biggest advantage over Fel was its accuracy.

@LifeupOmega always thought the Quick Eye is most suitable to snipers, but after the whole hip fire spread nerf, I’m not sure… only exception was Grandeur, so let’s see.

(Grave_Knight) #6

@ThunderPro Are you sure hipfire is what you think it is? It’s shooting while not aiming down sight. Generally speaking you don’t hipfire with sniper rifles. Furthermore Quick Eye only works while ADS, it increases movement speed whiling ADSing. And considering they removed accuracy loss while moving Quick Eye has become more useful.

Anyways, no, while Aimee has a lower skill floor than Vassili without the MoA she also has a lower skill ceiling. In fact the way she’s built she has the lowest skill floor of all the Recon types (not counting Phantom, cause how can you be recon if you can’t gather intel?).

(Tanker_Ray) #7

@“Grave Knight” Oh! so they only nerfed the not-zooming shots… Guess I misunderstood the patch. I’m sorry. Thought hip firing was like you move left and right while shooting. Forgot Zoom = ADS. So guess MOA still keeps its accuracy huh.

and yes, I know how the Quick Eye works. Tbh, it is the best augment that you can have as a sniper. Good thing her loadout is just pure FANTASTIC!

Well Vassili’s biggest advantage is you can one shot any mercs under Fragger with MOA’s headshot with best accuracy among all bolt actions, so guess we’ll just have to see how exactly does her SNITCH increase the damage.

I gotta say Vassili with Fel went more useless because of Aimee… I can be sure about this.

(Rjsto) #8

I’m gonna be using vassili over aimee just because he has machine pistol and aimee doesn’t, easy. I suck with snipers so secondary is usually what I end up using anyway

(doxjq) #9

Vassili still has use. I am not sure why people underestimate him all the time. Tbh he is still my favourite “sniper” - I only like Redeye and Aimee for the Grandeur.

Some people will still like him, and his heartbeat sensor is by far the best spotter out of the snipers.

I think he could be made a little more useful though since Aimee now has the Felix. Personally I think giving him a silencer on all of his guns might be a nice addition especially since he is the least mobile sniper.

(RedBeard) #10

Claymore = Boom, then death! Nothing else.

(Ohsnapkline) #11

Claymore = Boom, then death! Nothing else.[/quote]

Imo there is enough explosions in this game but Vasilli having a trip mine or electrical stun clay-more would be kinda cool.

I don’t play vassilli all the time I’m not amaze ballz with him. he still has the best marking capability in the game but I feel the heart beat sensor is overshadowed by the shear utility of the snitch: marks, damage, defensive debuff not to mention stops healing.

I fear Vassilli lagging behind the other snipers will cause Players to shelve him for better options as he cant keep up with mercs that already do everything he can and more.

this is not about skill floor or ceilings or how easy/hard he is to play but how he is lacking on a design/mechanical/fundemental level compared to other sniping mercs.

(blisteringOwlNest) #12

I’d still use Vassili on some maps, especially to cover chokepoints with less people guarding it. the problem with Aimee is you want to be near the snitch to make use of its debuff, and it doesn’t work through walls, so its going to be destroyed pretty quickly. I can see Vassili and aimee complementing each other well, with wide spotting and crippiling sniper damage.

(DexterGrif) #13

Vassili is cheaper.
I’ll quote Fletcher. “I am the best. I cost more. This is natural.”

(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #14

VAssili has more hp. can survive a Phantom heavy attack. has Better secondaries (IMO) is cheaper.

(l2c) #15

Aimee can jump-snipe.

(Apofenas) #16

It’s like saying Kira could outshadow Arty.

No. I dislike Vassili, but i doubt Aimee actually better than him at some situations. Vassili has better secondary, 110 HP and only 20 less speed, which is very little.

His spotting ability is way better. Sencor can spot enemies through walls, so he can throw it to the places where enemy team will not be able to destroy it.

I played Aimee enough to notice that SNITCH is far worse at spotting targets because it needs a vision on target, has smaller radius and itself forces victim to kill it.

As an example i had a game where i tried many different places for SNITCH at last objective on Chapel. Some defender had a bomb squad and killed ALL if my SNITCHes. If i was Vassili, i’d throw sencor near bus or stone so i could see movements of entire enemy team, but kill enemies that came out of cover to disable sencor.

Also got to mention how awesome HB sencor works on close quoter maps. Like on Undeground, where single HP sencor in room with objective can spot targets near both generators and roof.

(SzGamer227) #17

Vassili’s strengths are being more durable and having consistent spotting over an area regardless of walls. Aimee’s strengths are being more mobile, having a gravity-ignoring and harder-to-find sensor, and debilitating enemies for easy spot assists and disruption of enemy movement.

By contrast, Vassili’s only real weakness is his easy-to-disable sensor, but a cleverly placed Heartbeat Sensor can be just as hard to find as a SNITCH device, and can cover multiple routes. Aimee is relatively glassy and can get one-hit killed by well placed explosives, and is limited to covering single routes and open areas. She definitely isn’t “better in every way”.

Overall, Vassili isn’t worse, he’s just more well-rounded.

Just my 2 cents. Cheers.

(Jesus) #18

Aimée is just more agressive its an hybrid with Red Eye and Vassili but Vassili’s HBS is still very good and in term of spotting the snitch doesnt compete at all you can toss the HBS between two trashbag and it will spot everyone again and again through walls. Which means you can throw it places where the ennemy cant shoot it unlike the snitch that needs line of sight.

(CCP115) #19

Aimee is far more active and aggressive, she’s not nearly as good of a “Sniper”, unless you use the Fel-IX.

So no, I don’t think I’ll use Aimee over Vassili. Nothing beats the raw sniping pleasure the YOGIT stacker brings to the table.

(ProfPlump) #20

[quote=“straightforwardOdyssey;27912”]what does everyone think?

Aimee being a sniper with an ability that has more utility and synergy than Vassilli’s, why should I pick Vassilli anymore?[/quote]

In a sniper fight, Vassili loses to Aimee (because she’s a smaller target that can strafe faster with Quick Eye, while having the same 1-shot headshot kill potential).
In a close range encounter, Vassili beats Aimee (because he has 110HP against 90HP, as well as having an MP400 against a pistol).
In helping the team, Aimee is better than Vassili (her tagging ability is MUCH more potent).
In being self-reliant and independent, Vassili is better than Aimee (because he can be effective in more situations - eg close range - meaning he’s a more versatile combat merc, and is much better at going Rambo and clutching for his dead team by keeping an objective safe for those crucial moments before they can respawn again).

Basically, they’re perfectly balanced as it is (although I would say that the Grandeur and PDP need re-buffs, because they just got nerfed for some reason AND Aimee is most valuable if she has the FEL-IX anyway).