Do designers PLAY the games they MAKE??


(JoeMo) #21

You might be able to enforce a ‘voluntary code of conduct’ amongst experienced players or those who favour quality of game over just winning but if the weakness exists for a team to exploit to their advantage then people will do it. You can’t really stop them, after all if the game allows it to happen then it’s effectively within the rules. The only way to prevent it is to make it physically impossible to by restrictions in the game.

IMO there is no one single reason why it happens but map and game design are certainly at the core of it. People have highlighted situations like the axis spawn on railgun and the overpowering use of airstrikes as the worst offenders and I’d agree but perhaps it’s a more fundamental issue than that.

ET’s levels are based around trying to make an assymetrical situation - e.g. one team attacks and one defends - as fair as possible over the course of a game. The balance of power shifts as the teams progress (or don’t) through the level and in ideal situation, all other things being equal, skilled play would delicately tip the balance in either teams favour.

In reality what can occur is massive and decisive swings in favour of one team or another due to team imbalances, mistakes and exploitation or susceptibility to a flaw in the structure of the game. In truth there are so many factors to take into account when designing a game or level that it is impossible - ok - really, really difficult to make a level playing field.

Part of this sort of game’s appeal is that it provides such an open and varied environment and consequently that there is no single, fool proof way to win or complete a level. All you can really hope for is that glaring flaws have been spotted and removed as much as possible.

In short: It is the designers fault but you try doing it.


(bani) #22

pinning a bunch of noobs down in their spawn on a pub server is not my idea of fun. you dont learn anything from it and it takes no skill whatsoever.

if i see spawncamping happening on a pub server, i just go elsewhere. it indicates two things:

  1. the teams are very unbalanced.
  2. the players are too lame to voluntarily balance them out to make for a more interesting and competetive game.

again, spawncamping on pubs is lame to the extreme and anyone who does it is a complete luser and should do us all a favor and commit suicide immediately.
spawncamping in clanmatches is fair game and a valid tactic.


(amazinglarry) #23

Last night I was spawncamped on Rail Gun… but to be honest it didn’t really bother me. Sure my team was a bunch of n00bs but I didn’t say anything against them, even tho it would have been nice if first off the teams weren’t 8 allies vs 5 axis (heheh) but I still didn’t care, because everytime I spawned I ran out and killed 3 or 4 allies. We almost broke through a few times, but when we finally did it was too late.

I honestly think spawn camping is part of the game, and if you can’t get through it and it’s annoying you THAT much, then sure, go find another server. Tragic life. Because I think “spawncamping” is just as much a part of the game as Panzerfausts, I will do it, and I won’t CRY like a little bitch when it happens to me. And yes, like last night, it does happen once in a while… but hey… I had the most kills with 77. Not bad for a guy who couldn’t get past his spawn point. :cool:


(bani) #24

its not just suck being on the receiving end of spawncamping. its also suck being on the giving end of spawncamping. theres nothing even remotely interesting, to me, to “pwn noobs” on pubs with spawncamping. apparently, some people primarily get their kicks from “pwning noobs” on pubs, then gloating like it was some major accomplishment. shrug. :moo:

honestly, theres nothing skillful about using it on pubs and you dont hone your skills from it in any way. i’d rather spend my time playing a challenging game against closely matched teams rather than wasting my time participating in a noob shooting gallery. you’d get better skills practice from playing space invaders or pac-man.