So when they start charging for DLC’s and continue adding levels and skills only to those who paid for the DLC how can one stay competitive without spending money on DLC’s. This type of DLC creates a PAY 2 WIN situation. This along with how DLC’s segment the population due to map rotation. Its a lose/lost situation.
This is a legitimate concern and not an attempt to create further controversy.
will probably be free on pc as us console guys (microsoft) requires them to charge. kinda dumb
pay to win is pure speculation.
the real concern thats legitimate, is how do players with dlc play against players without dlc. are they even able to do it?
this particular dlc not only adds maps. it adds additional levels and abilities. are those also limited to the owners of dlc or will they be added either way?
its an obvious question, but i actually didnt think about it before.
i think this “two weeks for free” hasnt been thought through by bethesda and/or splash damage.
That is not true. You are getting the first DLC free. Microsoft does not force companies to charge.
fact is they do thats why valve didnt keep support for TF2 on xbox
[QUOTE=kilL_888;344860]pay to win is pure speculation.
the real concern thats legitimate, is how do players with dlc play against players without dlc. are they even able to do it?
this particular dlc not only adds maps. it adds additional levels and abilities. are those also limited to the owners of dlc or will they be added either way?
its an obvious question, but i actually didnt think about it before.
i think this “two weeks for free” hasnt been thought through by bethesda and/or splash damage.[/QUOTE]
I share your concerns and your opinions.
-JJ
OK if they made a DLC with stuff that was actually a true advantage then I might agree with you. But some of that stuff will get nerfed if it’s overall more effective then standard stuff.
Take the molotov versus grenade.
Grenade has a delay which can be be used with brilliant tactics and does more damage.
Molotov is impact detonated and does less damage but is balance with increased chance of knockdown.
If there was a DLC that gave you the molotov you are simply getting more options. Not more power.
So people with the DLC will simply have more options then others. Not a pay to win advantage.
Anything that gives a clear advantage will most likely be nerfed. So stop your crying.
And yet you have not provided any facts. Monday Night Combat has its DLC for free. Portal 2, another Valve game, will also have free DLC. I’m more than willing to admit I’m wrong on this issue once you provide some actual facts to support your case. Saying ‘fact is’ does not make it a fact.
@ Jess Alon: Just becaue an advantage is not clear does not mean that it does not exist. The choice to charge for DLC that includes skills and weapon attachments, increases level caps and has new maps will only cause a rift in the community. The level cap increase is game-breaking and the skills and attachments will more than likely cause certain advantages so this only compounds the issue. I’d personally be fine if they released the level cap increase, weapon attachments and skills for free and only made the maps free for 2 weeks. In this manner only the maps would separate the players and this does not affect the game’s balance in any way.
well if it does, too bad i had 5 bucks and you didnt.
i am poorer than all dirt and i can still afford it by scraping up change
[QUOTE=Glyph;344903]And yet you have not provided any facts. Monday Night Combat has its DLC for free. Portal 2, another Valve game, will also have free DLC. I’m more than willing to admit I’m wrong on this issue once you provide some actual facts to support your case. Saying ‘fact is’ does not make it a fact.
@ Jess Alon: Just becaue an advantage is not clear does not mean that it does not exist. The choice to charge for DLC that includes skills and weapon attachments, increases level caps and has new maps will only cause a rift in the community. The level cap increase is game-breaking and the skills and attachments will more than likely cause certain advantages so this only compounds the issue. I’d personally be fine if they released the level cap increase, weapon attachments and skills for free and only made the maps free for 2 weeks. In this manner only the maps would separate the players and this does not affect the game’s balance in any way.[/QUOTE]
http://www.planetxbox360.com/article_7760/Valve_Microsoft_Forced_Us_to_Charge_for_Left_4_Dead_DLC
couldnt open the article but i have read it before. its pretty clear if you can open it.
heres the proof happy reading cuz’
[QUOTE=Glyph;344903]And yet you have not provided any facts. Monday Night Combat has its DLC for free. Portal 2, another Valve game, will also have free DLC. I’m more than willing to admit I’m wrong on this issue once you provide some actual facts to support your case. Saying ‘fact is’ does not make it a fact.
@ Jess Alon: Just becaue an advantage is not clear does not mean that it does not exist. The choice to charge for DLC that includes skills and weapon attachments, increases level caps and has new maps will only cause a rift in the community. The level cap increase is game-breaking and the skills and attachments will more than likely cause certain advantages so this only compounds the issue. I’d personally be fine if they released the level cap increase, weapon attachments and skills for free and only made the maps free for 2 weeks. In this manner only the maps would separate the players and this does not affect the game’s balance in any way.[/QUOTE]
Here’s a link to an article on what he brought up: http://www.shacknews.com/article/54351/valve-bringing-team-fortress-2
In the end, Microsoft has the last call in whether any DLC will be free or cost money since they are hosting the downloads, which is also why Valve had such a hard time releasing L4D DLC. Also, any DLC that provides additional achievements cannot be free on XBL by Microsoft’s ruling (this is how L4D DLC was made free, Valve took out any achievements that say, PC gamers got with their DLC so that it could remain free).
Also, the point about Portal 2 having free DLC should have no validity in discussions about Brink for a few reasons.
Don’t agree because there are multiple classes, and other Rank 5 abilities. A Rank 5 is still a Rank 5 even after AOC comes out.
^ this
Also, it is unlikely that (if there is a new DLC) we will have to pay for it.
The two weeks free dlc scheme seems pretty badly thought out. I wonder what the rationale is.
It wouldn’t be surprising in the least if the new abilities compared favorably to the others, already existing. I mean if they were below average, people wouldn’t bother buying this addon. I doubt they will be trying very hard to balance extra abilities well just to please people who don’t want to pay extra.
In regards to MS forcing developers to charge for DLC, be careful what you are stating here. MS does reserve the right to charge for any content released on their servers. They do not however, force every developer to charge for their DLC. There is a huge difference between the two scenarios.
In regards to Brink, no one has proven that MS is responsible for SD charging for this content after the 2-week period expires. Sure, MS reserves the right to do so, but that does not prove that they have forced SD’s hand in this case. The fact that SD is charging for the DLC on every platform after this period expires does not support this assumption either.
Rank 5 abilities have a long cool down anyway. The argument could be made that you could make a more powerful all-round character for sure…I went there. Ha ha! I get it free!
[QUOTE=Glyph;344903]And yet you have not provided any facts. Monday Night Combat has its DLC for free. Portal 2, another Valve game, will also have free DLC. I’m more than willing to admit I’m wrong on this issue once you provide some actual facts to support your case. Saying ‘fact is’ does not make it a fact.
@ Jess Alon: Just becaue an advantage is not clear does not mean that it does not exist. The choice to charge for DLC that includes skills and weapon attachments, increases level caps and has new maps will only cause a rift in the community. The level cap increase is game-breaking and the skills and attachments will more than likely cause certain advantages so this only compounds the issue. I’d personally be fine if they released the level cap increase, weapon attachments and skills for free and only made the maps free for 2 weeks. In this manner only the maps would separate the players and this does not affect the game’s balance in any way.[/QUOTE]
There’s already a rift. The people who are diehard brink fans. And the people who think SD dropped the ball. Any guess which of them will pay for DLC?
Anyone who owns Brink has no reason not to get this DLC unless they unfortunately can’t be online at all for the 2 weeks it’s free…but let’s be honest, that percentage is going to be pretty small. Anyone who buys Brink later will still have all of the updates that improve gameplay and will have a much stronger game than we had at launch. The DLC will be optional, but they will have all of the tweaks and patches that we are getting now and no doubt will continue to receive as needed.
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