Disguising in this game is totaly useless. Operative need some sort of "boost"

[thesuzukimethod]

[QUOTE=Oz70NYC;342437]Op is my default class, and I personally prefer it over all the other classes. Part of the reason people seem to dislike it, is because they don’t know how to BE an operative. A good Op can fool the crap out of anyone. I’ve in many, many games tricked my team mates into thinking I’m actually the person I’m disguised as. Just disguising as a person isn’t going to cut it. You need to make damn sure you’re “playing the role” well enough to fool the other team. Just today I was in a match attacking Aquarium, Big Teams with humans and bots. I kill a bot then comms hack and disguise as him over by the ramp. Now, knowing full well that the AI will always spot you in disguise, namely the one you’re disguised as, I took the window of opportunity to find the human players on the team. Of course, they’re all camped up top near the MG nest, with two turrets deployed right out in the open. So what do I do? I “play the role”. I run past them all, doing what the AI would do, and of course none of them suspected me. Then, at a decent enough distance, break disguise and unload on 4 human players. Four. Four guys now sent to re-deploy because I did what an Op is supposed to do. Deceive.

The art of deception is one not many people grasp. And naturally, because they don’t, they say the class is useless. Meanwhile like clockwork, Oz70NYC is always seen as best Op with most kills in 70% of the PvP games I play. I know I’m doing my job well when the guys on the other team are 2nd guessing shooting at each other in fear that I’m disguised as a team mate. (I’ve seen it happened…frequently.) It’s natural for people to pan what they can’t grasp. I personally enjoy the fact that so little people take the time to learn the inner workings of how to be good Op. Makes it that much sweeter when I make them look like bumbling fools in battle. Like lobbing a perfectly placed EMP at poorly placed turrets, hacking them, and watching the OpFor scramble like chickens with their heads cut off wondering what’s shooting them from behind. Or luring some poor chump into a 1 on 1 fight with me, ducking behind a corner with some Caltrops expertly placed at it’s apex, then watching the flee in terror of the “anonymous damage” the Caltrops do…giving them a Sticky Bomb gift on their back as they do. Being an Op requires you to be creative, and get into the brain of your opponent. I pride myself on doing it well, as does anyone else who’s truly taken the time to learn how not just to be an Op, but be an EFFECTIVE Op.[/QUOTE]

this. i really enjoy playing op. similar strategies - either deceive, or misdirect. today on sec tower, had 4-5 of team of 8 chasing me around behind the sec tower wall while team planted the charge. not all followed me, but enough to tip the scales. Yes, i could have played soldier and (helped) take out those 4-5 when they came through. point? different way to accomplish something similar, in this case - they were taken out of the firefight for long enough
(i love hacking turrets, btw. not much causes more chaos when well timed/placed/deployed)

[Smoochy]

[QUOTE=PanzerIV;342403]Hahaha into a Batman Not really, I just thought it needed a few small tweaks for the diguising such as the backstabbing and not showing a huge pop-up in yellow (X player as disguised as you!). Hell give the ops a chance and if you didn’t pass out you should see him trying to disguise as you which is far enough then if you respawn you aren’t there anymore so you shouldn’t deserve to be told by god or whoever it is that tells you this information.

I would say both but yes there’s A LOT of the “cool factor”. The game in which I had the most fun by very far while playing a spy class was in ETQW. In that game I actualy felt like being useful and able to cause a mess behind enemy lines where now if I undisguise I’m only with my standard smg so can’t do much mess but yes I do get the point of someone here that said it’s more about annoying enemies and distracting them from the main objective to win time and easy the pression on ur team, than about the KDR.

Since you can’t buff urself, it’s not like if you would be able to do this combo that often. I think you must have the medium or heavy body if you really want to get kills with the disguising and that you have to play entirely differently with a light operative that will be more of a “Hit & Run”. That could explain why I failed so often with this tactic of trying to kill many people behind enemy lines while being only a light ops.

It’s not anyway if like there would be that much Fireteams online. I barrely see 1 per day and I only create one for the hell of it when my clanmattes join so i can spot them easier on the field and scoreboard.

Is it really that useful to spot enemies while in disguise because the red glow only stays for a few seconds. Also how do you spot in disguise if you can’t use pop up ur gun to use the ironsight? From what I’ve read in previous posts you can do it while in disguise but you have no crosshair so you have to try somehow to aim at the enemies for several seconds?!

I 100% agree with this. It’s the only class that awefully sucks when it’s not fully upgraded compare to others who already start with good abilities. What I use on my operative with my Soldier/Ops character are the following: (Calldrops, Sticky Grenade, Turret Hacking, Cortex Bomb, EMP and Spotting).

The last one I took was the spotting ability because I wasn’t sure if it would be that useful and thought it might be from what I’ve read here. I was hesitating with Control Turret but when I found out you needed to be in range or hack the enemy turret first and that it would prolly be extremly weak, inaccurate and as useless as MG nest then I prefered not to waste a point. About “Comms Hack” it says that it only reveal enemies for a short period of time but worst than that, ONLY on the radar which 95% of people in public servers never use so that would be pointless I’ve thought.[/QUOTE]

ive been playing FPS for years. i think i can judge where the center of the screen is without crosshairs, maybe to 5pixels accuracy. just look at them and it seems to do it for you. very good when you need to decide which side to hack on reactor (although due to the hidey spot i generally go to a specific side) as you can see where the enemy are. i can then run behind an enemy turret, hack it and let it cause them some issues while i run to the other side and hack

the op does need to be very high level to get the better toys.

[KAS_Will]

IDK if your complaining about Operative being under powered or not… but I don’t think so at all.

Today,
My friend and I were playing Security Tower as Security, and we made a bet, to see who could get my XP than the other person. We of course spawn camped the enemy, but he actually received 6,980XP, and as a soldier, I only had 5,000 something. And, if you check my Stats profile, my average is 4,000 XP per match.

How’d he do it? Spot. That’s all he did, infact, I remember his score so well because the whole bet was, he would do better than me without firing a single shot… he never did… :?

So, if you think as far as XP goes, Operative is Under powered, try spotting a whole game…

[Smoochy]

[QUOTE=KAS–Will;342524]IDK if your complaining about Operative being under powered or not… but I don’t think so at all.

Today,
My friend and I were playing Security Tower as Security, and we made a bet, to see who could get my XP than the other person. We of course spawn camped the enemy, but he actually received 6,980XP, and as a soldier, I only had 5,000 something. And, if you check my Stats profile, my average is 4,000 XP per match.

How’d he do it? Spot. That’s all he did, infact, I remember his score so well because the whole bet was, he would do better than me without firing a single shot… he never did… :?

So, if you think as far as XP goes, Operative is Under powered, try spotting a whole game…[/QUOTE]

ive come top before as OP a few times. i rarely play it for the full game so its hard to test. of course you should swap around to what class is needed the most.

i dont find any class OP to be honest. i generally find medic the easiest to get points for though.

[Galaxy]

This of course is just my experience but I also have to give SD a lot of credit for making the operative/spy class accessible for anybody. Before Brink the main game I used to play where there was a spy class was TF2. When I first started playing that game, the spy class was the one that fascinated me most, I just loved the idea of going undercover, fooling the enemy and sabotaging their defences, but quickly I learned that being a spy… was a great big hassle! I mean, yes they do give you a lot of options, but if you wanted to get rid of an engineer and his turret (as this is one of the primary functions of the spy) you would have to use 3 different weapon slots, setting them up in order so you could quickly change from one to another and do them quickly in succession (choose disguise, cloak, sneak without running out of energy, without bumping into anyone and without getting shot at, select knife the sapper to be able to quickly change from one to other, use knife, use sapper and sometimes combine with the revolver) All that without talking about the specifics of hiding, infiltration and other tactics. Yes it is all doable of course but really… compare that with the set-up needed for classes like the soldier or pyro! Many times I just got fed up of all the preparing as a spy and would just change to a more simple class like the pyro just to unwind.

I just felt as if I went to the game saying ‘I want to be a spy!’ and then being laugh in the face and replied ‘well you better go to spy school and spend several hundred hours… otherwise here is a flame-thrower’

But on Brink I think the operative class is so much approachable, to disguise just kill someone a take the disguise, and though you don’t have the ability to chose your role from a list, or cloak, etc. this balances out with not being discovered as easily plus other things that just make the operative work in a very natural way.

There is just no control/skill barrier, you can start trying and building tactics from the very beginning very easily.

[PanzerIV]

[QUOTE=KAS–Will;342524]So, if you think as far as XP goes, Operative is Under powered, try spotting a whole game…[/QUOTE]Ya it’s not that hard when ur used to play Ops and have all the unlocks to make a good chunk of XP but making ton of XP doesn’t necessary mean you helped ur team a lot more than somebody else that did “important kills” or main objectives rather than just camp and spot people.

[QUOTE=Smoochy;342542]i dont find any class OP to be honest. i generally find medic the easiest to get points for though.[/QUOTE]Ya the Medic just like in BC2 is by far the easiest class to make a ton of XP with all the revives and buffs.

Awesome idea: I would have prefered so much more the Ops to have the Satchel’s Charge over the Soldier because the soldier is much more of an offensive class and you don’t have the time to camp in a corner to use ur satchel while it would be perfect to set-up traps with the Ops while being disguised and at least you’d be able to do one decent thing other than this stupid temporary spotting (so long to spot someone for so few time) since you can’t even backstab in Brink.

May not be bad to be able to hack while a turret is disabled by emp rather than having to wait for it to recover but I could deal without that.

[wolfnemesis75]

Again, if the OP was anymore powerful, there would be mostly complaints because the abilities of the OP allow for surprise attacks. For example: Cortex Bomb. Plus OP can disguise. I’d suggest that anyone who wants to get the full potential of the OP, level up to 20 and select all OP abilities. You still have plenty left over for Engineer or Soldier. That’s a very powerful character. You can spot enemy, disguise, hack to get their positions, throw EMP to disable turrets, mines, slow HE and bots, and do all kinds of disruptive mischief. You can’t make the dude anymore powerful.

[Smoochy]

Again, if the OP was anymore powerful, there would be mostly complaints because the abilities of the OP allow for surprise attacks. For example: Cortex Bomb. Plus OP can disguise. I’d suggest that anyone who wants to get the full potential of the OP, level up to 20 and select all OP abilities. You still have plenty left over for Engineer or Soldier. That’s a very powerful character. You can spot enemy, disguise, hack to get their positions, throw EMP to disable turrets, mines, slow HE and bots, and do all kinds of disruptive mischief. You can’t make the dude anymore powerful.

i have a level 20 medic/op. you can get most of the decent toys for both classes and still be very effective. i agree though that most of the good OP stuff you get later on.