Disguising in this game is totaly useless. Operative need some sort of "boost"

(PanzerIV) #1

Most people haven’t took weeks to notice it, the Operative class is by far the least played class and the less useful class on the battlefield unless you need it for an objective. The only decent thing it haves is calldrops and I’d guess EMP when ur defending an hack obj but I’d rather have any day the molotov, heavy grenade or flash rather than a calldrop for fighting off enemies.

As for the disguising/cross-dressing or whatever how you call it, at least it haves some use in Team Fortress but in Brink I clearly don’t see the point. No only the maps are small so someone running in the opposite direction will be very obvious to any experienced player but also something dumb is that it tells you when someone disguise as you. If ur dead then you shouldn’t be aware of someone tea-bagging you and at least gives the guy a chance… not only the guy in which he disguise gets told that someone has disguise as him but he also see his own nickname on the oversized hud so he will find you and kill you within seconds after his respawn. Being in disguise also DOESN’T bypass combat-intuition which I personnaly find very stupid. All this to say that beside getting 150xp, I see absolutely no point in wasting time and being armless for 3 seconds just to get in disguise.

At least if you could have the possibility of doing a 1 hit kill when being from behind and using the melee like some sort of “ninja backstabbing” then it could get useful enough but as it is right now it’s a real joke. Operative’s ability are by far the worst of the bunch and his disguising is 100% useless even for turrets that are so slow to react that you often have the time to get around them even if you come from the front.

(Oschino1907) #2

I find it extremely usefull in certain situations but I rarely use the diguise as an “offensive” weapon.

Sorry but I think most can all agree your poll choices are BY FAR some of the WORST ever on a consistant basis.

Need to try to view things from another view other then your own if you want to start an objective and cronstructive thread… You are just dripping flame bait all over in your posts and topics…

(riptide) #3

[QUOTE=Oschino1907;341693]I find it extremely usefull in certain situations but I rarely use the diguise as an “offensive” weapon.

Sorry but I think most can all agree your poll choices are BY FAR some of the WORST ever on a consistant basis.

Need to try to view things from another view other then your own if you want to start an objective and cronstructive thread… You are just dripping flame bait all over in your posts and topics…[/QUOTE]

I always feel like there is pork barreling in his polls. Like there is an decent idea but then it’s filled with so much junk that you just disregard it in its entirety.

(Shoryuken88) #4

I agree that spy class sucks in this game.

(Oschino1907) #5

Exactly, I totally get where he is commin from but after having 20+hours with each class I can say the Op just isnt played well by most and not used to its full potential. It could def use a tweak or two to spice it up a bit but nothing drastic or over the top. Just think outside of the box and try to figure out all the positive things each ability has to offer and how you can best use it. I have won all the awards as an Op more then once (best overall, best op, most kills), you just have to use it right and in the right situations.

But again, YES maybe a tweak or two to spice it up, but please nothing of which is mentioned in original persons post. So far I feel you (panzer) just need to put in more game time and try a little harder to go against your gaming habits to fully experiance everything and what its capable of doing. You seem to come here after frustration and having only given things a quick chance before crapping all over it… Almost every thread you make is the same… It all boils down to lack of experiance and not hitting the nail directly on the head, although you do raise a good basic arguement all of your reasons behind it well… Suck.

(Jimmy James) #6

I’ve used disguise very successfully to scout out the enemies and their mines and hack their turrets but I mostly it to sneak to hack objectives.

-JJ

(Overgear) #7

Op should have backstabs: No. People will just be bumming around buffing up their KDR so stop suggesting it.

Disguise does what it needs to do, can throw people off and removes your red glow. The TF2 spy the disguise is only used for getting passed a peripheral vision. Basically don’t be obvious and it’ll be useful.
However operative as a whole is pretty situational.

(sh4d3Z) #8

I love Operative. You can play offense and defense effectively (granted you typically will only need 1-2 Operatives in any given game) if you play the class as intended. I don’t understand why so many people feel the Operative is weak or not useful. Every time I play one, I almost feel bad for the other team. Deceit and treachery. Mmm…

Disguising is helpful only when you actually pretend to be on the other team. You can’t run toward their spawn or anything directly… obviously that gives you away. You don’t want to be an opposing team’s objective class, sitting by an objective and not doing it either - also kind of obvious. But sneaking around and getting behind them is doable - easiest when disguised. Nothing like having a Heavy Operative w/ a Chinzor throw a Sticky Bomb and unload 150 rounds in you from behind. Tends to make a group scatter.

One hit kill idea is horrible in my opinion. Light Operatives would tend to abuse that a bit. I would. Disguise / backstab / rinse (optional) / repeat. Parkour backstab! +1,000 XP for style.

But yea, Operative is fine. Play it more, work on strategy and enjoy. :slight_smile:

(Oschino1907) #9

[QUOTE=sh4d3Z;341707]I love Operative. You can play offense and defense effectively (granted you typically will only need 1-2 Operatives in any given game) if you play the class as intended. I don’t understand why so many people feel the Operative is weak or not useful. Every time I play one, I almost feel bad for the other team. Deceit and treachery. Mmm…

Disguising is helpful only when you actually pretend to be on the other team. You can’t run toward their spawn or anything directly… obviously that gives you away. You don’t want to be an opposing team’s objective class, sitting by an objective and not doing it either - also kind of obvious. But sneaking around and getting behind them is doable - easiest when disguised. Nothing like having a Heavy Operative w/ a Chinzor throw a Sticky Bomb and unload 150 rounds in you from behind. Tends to make a group scatter.

One hit kill idea is horrible in my opinion. Light Operatives would tend to abuse that a bit. I would. Disguise / backstab / rinse (optional) / repeat. Parkour backstab! +1,000 XP for style.

But yea, Operative is fine. Play it more, work on strategy and enjoy. :)[/QUOTE]

I use the “dont mind me I am just a lost noob figuring the game out” playstyle while in disquise. Hahahahaha not hard to blend in then, I use it to get behind lines and cause trouble with anything I can including just sitting on overlooks and spotting entire groups as they run by or tagging along from behind them as part of “the crew” and just unload on them the second they get to the objective or slowed down/stopped by my teams defensive strong points. Lol the “retarded noob” following them the whole time just took half of them out.

(Deadwalking) #10

I personally don’t play operative much either, but that is due to me not being that great with the class. I will choose it if my team needs one or an extra for an objective, but it is not my class of choice. However I can’t tell you how many times I have had a disguised Op get the drop on me or my team, I also can’t sya exactly how many times I just had a feeling that the lowly newb player running around lost was an operative and put him down.

The operative class is a class of skill and luck, and when a player has skill in the class and has luck falling on his side. Then that player can have a hay day with the Operative class.

(tokamak) #11

Backstabbing. I want backstabbing. It was a thrill in ET and ETQW.

(Oschino1907) #12

[QUOTE=Deadwalking;341719]I personally don’t play operative much either, but that is due to me not being that great with the class. I will choose it if my team needs one or an extra for an objective, but it is not my class of choice. However I can’t tell you how many times I have had a disguised Op get the drop on me or my team, I also can’t sya exactly how many times I just had a feeling that the lowly newb player running around lost was an operative and put him down.

The operative class is a class of skill and luck, and when a player has skill in the class and has luck falling on his side. Then that player can have a hay day with the Operative class.[/QUOTE]

The toughest part is you have to be quick and dont let people see you directly for too long, You carry the name and look of the disquised person so you dont want to run into them or any friends they may have in the game. Me and my friends usually all have mics so we can tell each other who to look for. But I cant tell you the amont of fun I have had running around back and forth jumping around looking like an idiot and then stalking a group after they pass by not even giving me a second thought or staring off into high traffic areas like I am not even playing but marking people. I always run it with a light also so the sec I get found out I can high tail it out of there. Its rare to last very long in one Diquise but amazingly fun when it works out.

(Midnight) #13

I kind of have to agree with this. Would be more interesting if the other team didn’t have so much help vs spies. Might make it annoying though too as it is a cheap way to get a kill.

(its al bout security) #14

i am playing operative the only time i hate disguise is when im playing bots cause if i pop out of it they 360 head shot me

(Cep) #15

agreed!! 100%

(wolfnemesis75) #16

Operative is one of the most powerful characters and a true Spy and Saboteur. Must be used properly and is for someone who is prepared to move away and attack in unorthodox ways as compared to other classes.

(riptide) #17

You need to start uploading youtube videos demonstrating this stuff. I mean it’s clear you feel you have something to offer so by all means show us.

(Nefarious) #18

The problem with players in this game is that they look way past the ‘team aspect’ of things and just judge a class by how many kills or points they can get. Im betting nearly no one that plays is a “Game Changer”. Someone who with a few single actions that can turn the tide of a battle and change the outcome to a win by just relaying the battlefield and waiting for a moment.

No one has patience for such things. Everyone caught up in a grind war and spazzing out on eachother with carb-9s.

I for one have had huge effects on outcomes of matches with Operative. Admittedly not so much on a bottle neck level like Aquarium but plenty of times I have stayed in disguise for nearly the whole match playing the part and just waiting for a prime opportunity for something big. Somtimes it does not work out and I get caught and shot up. But when it does it is really fun knowing and single action just changed the current or over all outcome.

(Oschino1907) #19

Wow they pull 360s on you!!! They are just showing off now, bots just never know when to stop gloating their leet aiming skills. Whats next back flips with a half twist landing in a split while nut shoting you.

Hahahaha I get you though, the 180 spin head shot crap gets me at times def one of my bigger pet peeves in the game. Crazy when you sneak up on them have all day to aim up a head shot and they still react fast enough that you really never had a chance to begin with.

(PanzerIV) #20

[QUOTE=Overgear;341706]Op should have backstabs: No. People will just be bumming around buffing up their KDR so stop suggesting it.[/QUOTE]Why would it happens. I mean, if someone really wants to buff their KDR ratio which you can’t even see anything in the game he would prolly choose disguise + backstab in the very last position as pretty much anything else will give you much more kill per minute. I don’t think that much players play for KDR and you must not if you want to have a lot of XP at the end of the round. In the good old days where the spy was actualy useful such as in ETQW, I would get far less kills by backstabbing people than when gunning around agressively but I could at least create some sabotage, confusion on the enemy team and have a huge load of fun compare to Brink where I feel I’m just waiting time only to get 1 kill at most because if I shoot from behind a group of 2-3 guys there’s no way I’ll survive.

[QUOTE=sh4d3Z;341707]I don’t understand why so many people feel the Operative is weak or not useful. Every time I play one, I almost feel bad for the other team. Deceit and treachery.

But sneaking around and getting behind them is doable - easiest when disguised. Nothing like having a Heavy Operative w/ a Chinzor throw a Sticky Bomb and unload 150 rounds in you from behind. Tends to make a group scatter.

One hit kill idea is horrible in my opinion. Light Operatives would tend to abuse that a bit. I would. Disguise / backstab / rinse (optional) / repeat. Parkour backstab! +1,000 XP for style.[/QUOTE]The reason so many people say it’s weak isn’t because nothing is doable with it but because a good player can cause much more damage to the enemies with any other class. For example in Bad Company 2 I played with every weapons to get the platinum star (1000 kills) for each weapons then once I had it I stopped using the weapon to get used to another one and so on… so I was very good even with weapons that were definitely weaker but what it truly means is that if I could wreak havoc with that gun, you don’t want to know what I could have done with my real weapon of choice. Same thing in Brink, I’ll own much more with weapon buffs, health buffs, molotovs + super nade + flash, body armor… than stupid calldrops and sticky bombs that takes forever to blow.

I like the idea of the heavy operative as maybe it’s why I find it useless because I play the light class most of the time so when I get spotted I can’t cause too much damage when being out of cover. I don’t think light could abuse of it because maps are much smaller than in ETQW so you wouldn’t have the time to disguise 2-3 time in a row behind enemy lines, you will quickly get spotted in a large server.

[QUOTE=Oschino1907;341715]I use the “dont mind me I am just a lost noob figuring the game out” playstyle while in disquise. Hahahahaha not hard to blend in then, I use it to get behind lines and cause trouble with anything I can including just sitting on overlooks and spotting entire groups as they run by or tagging along from behind them as part of “the crew”[/QUOTE]Ya it’s definitely the best thing to do, to play the lost noob which would obviously not work against experiented players or in scrims. At most in 40 houres, only once a spy got the hand on me and that was because he came from behind and I just didn’t seem him trying to be a lost noob.

[QUOTE=tokamak;341721]Backstabbing. I want backstabbing. It was a thrill in ET and ETQW.[/QUOTE]OOOMMMGGG YES!!! :eek: In that game the infiltrator was A REAL DAMN ONE and could at least cause some confusion in the enemy team. Right now in Brink you just disguise then sit as a duck because you’re totaly powerless and can’t do anything. You’ll tell me to wait for the right moment… sure like a noob sniper who wait 4min to get 1 super nice kill but it still took him 4min to get only 1 kill while without cross-dressing and playing for real I could have got 15+ kills in that same ammount of time so again what’s the point to sit in disguise forever only for 1-2 kills? -_-

[QUOTE=Oschino1907;341725] I always run it with a light also so the sec I get found out I can high tail it out of there. Its rare to last very long in one Diquise but amazingly fun when it works out.[/QUOTE]I have to agree at some point with you. When, which is the keyword, it does work you indeed get a lot of fun from it but does it actualy helps your team get the objective or win? I doubt it.

[QUOTE=Midnight;341764]I kind of have to agree with this. Would be more interesting if the other team didn’t have so much help vs spies. Might make it annoying though too as it is a cheap way to get a kill.[/QUOTE]Ya they have way too much help against spy, it’s ridiculous. It’s almost if it’s not written on ur forehead. It wouldn’t be cheap kills, after all you deserve the kill if you were skilled enough to infiltrate and fool the enemies.

[QUOTE=riptide;341800]You need to start uploading youtube videos demonstrating this stuff. I mean it’s clear you feel you have something to offer so by all means show us.[/QUOTE]Ya 100% agree as I won’t believe it until I see it with my own eyes, which I haven’t yet in over 40 houres of online gameplay.

[QUOTE=Nefarious;341803]Admittedly not so much on a bottle neck level like Aquarium but plenty of times I have stayed in disguise for nearly the whole match playing the part and just waiting for a prime opportunity for something big. Somtimes it does not work out and I get caught and shot up. But when it does it is really fun knowing and single action just changed the current or over all outcome.[/QUOTE]Umm that mean the guy in which you were in disguise was a true re_tard lol. If someone disguise as me, he doesn’t even stand a chance to survive for 30 seconds once I’m respawned and the second I see my own nickname in front of me, he’s dead right away. Also what kind of single action that could be done once and change the whole outcome. I don’t see much and I doubt you help ur team much by waiting in disguise for 15min in order to seize the right moment.

[QUOTE=Oschino1907;341806]Wow they pull 360s on you!!![/QUOTE]Hahaha, I really laughted when I first read it then I’ve thought about it and that means if they did a 360 and shot you, it means you were standing right in front of them which isn’t very subtle :tongue: