@terminal Let’s count paragraphs. In the last post I mention hitscan, there are seven paragraphs. Of those seven, only one contains the word.
If you actually read that post, I already described my stance on distinct roles.
There is a certain point where difficulty of use becomes area denial. You can’t honestly say you need to be skillful to lead with Symmetra’s right click for instance. It’s so slow that it’s not skill, it’s just displacement.
Nice ad hominem.
[quote=“Incoming;179226”]@terminal Let’s count paragraphs. In the last post I mention hitscan, there are seven paragraphs. Of those seven, only one contains the word.
If you actually read that post, I already described my stance on distinct roles.
There is a certain point where difficulty of use becomes area denial. You can’t honestly say you need to be skillful to lead with Symmetra’s right click for instance. It’s so slow that it’s not skill, it’s just displacement.
Nice ad hominem.[/quote]
Yes, it’s easy to play with Symmetra’s primary. No, it’s not easy to play with Symmetra overall. You can’t possibly be determining the skill level of a hero in Overwatch by their primary weapons, are you? Symmetra requires extreme map knowledge and game sense to use her turrets and teleporter well, her primary is merely to support her turrets.
Overwatch was made for casual players. Blizzard wants people who play WoW, Hearthstone, Starcraft and HotS to play their new shooter. They made a lot of gameplay mechanics easy to use because a lot of players who come from those other games have no shooter background so they needed to make a game where all players can jump into the game, find something they enjoy playing and slowly get better. It’s not like Dirty bomb where a good majority of good plays and top fragging comes from excellent gun play. I don’t even like comparing the two because of that.
On DB you can tell from the start that someone is a new player based on how they play. Other than Overwatch being a Blizzard game, the ability to jump right in and do well is why Overwatch is doing so well. Plain and simple it’s a fun game for people who don’t like shooters and fun for people who want something different from other shooters.
@terminal And here, you’ve missed my point entirely. OW’s team role focus and rather basic gunplay are two things I feel DB does more to my liking. Your attempt at shifting goal posts (again) has been noted though. 
I really don’t think the games should be compared that much at all… they are too different in style and mechanics. Apples to oranges IMO.
That aside, I thoroughly enjoyed the beta but there is no way it will replace Dirty Bomb because it is a completely different type of game and has its own unique experience like I said above. Can’t wait to play more of it, but it will never replace DB.
but will it replace DB in terms of playtime? sure, XCOM 2 and Dirty Bomb are pretty damn different, but would XCOM 2 replace Dirty Bomb for me because I play more of it than DB?
it depends on the kind of players DB has, really, their likes and dislikes. they find something in OW they really like that they can’t quite find in DB? they’ll probably start playing more OW then.
[quote=“PurpleNurple;179238”]Overwatch was made for casual players. Blizzard wants people who play WoW, Hearthstone, Starcraft and HotS to play their new shooter. They made a lot of gameplay mechanics easy to use because a lot of players who come from those other games have no shooter background so they needed to make a game where all players can jump into the game, find something they enjoy playing and slowly get better. It’s not like Dirty bomb where a good majority of good plays and top fragging comes from excellent gun play. I don’t even like comparing the two because of that.
On DB you can tell from the start that someone is a new player based on how they play. Other than Overwatch being a Blizzard game, the ability to jump right in and do well is why Overwatch is doing so well. Plain and simple it’s a fun game for people who don’t like shooters and fun for people who want something different from other shooters.[/quote]
Overwatch was inspired by the competitive side of tf2. They improved a lot of things that Valve never bothered to do. This game is able to grab a variety of audience, from ones that can aim (Mccree + Tracer) or the ones that have just come on mobas (Symmetra + Bastion). You have obviously never played the game if you think it’s for casuals.
Also, Dirty Bomb is easy to play. Just saying.
[quote=“TheRyderShotgun;181322”]but will it replace DB in terms of playtime? sure, XCOM 2 and Dirty Bomb are pretty damn different, but would XCOM 2 replace Dirty Bomb for me because I play more of it than DB?
it depends on the kind of players DB has, really, their likes and dislikes. they find something in OW they really like that they can’t quite find in DB? they’ll probably start playing more OW then.[/quote]
that’s true, however, because they are very different games, I doubt players would ever stop playing Dirty Bomb due to the fact that they both provide different experiences. Yeah, sure, any given player who has both games, their play time might go down a bit, but its not like DB is losing that player to a straight up better competitor.
If Overwatch was a more “realistic mil-sim” game like DB is (notice the air quotes), and it did what Dirty Bomb has but better, then yes, Dirty Bomb would be in danger of losing a lot of players because of that. Other newer and fun games will always take a certain amount of time away from other games like DB but unless that player is seriously obsessed with the new game, DB isn’t going to get replaced very easily.
no, it wont have to leave the bench outright, but it’ll have to scooch over for the big guy a little. or quite a bit.
Is ValvE concerned over Overwatch?
TF2 was going downhill for few years, since they didn’t bother optimising/bugfixing/balancing enough. A good competition would be good between TF2 and OW, motivating developers to do their best in winning consumers.
It doesn’t seem to be the game for me. I can’t stand the “counter hero”-crap or ultimate abilities…
i will definitely buy it, maybe leave db for a while, but i wont quit db
DB is hardcore. Fights are based on aim. Competitive TF2 is as well, they ban a lot of the stupid pub weapons, all the ez classes (pryo, heavy, engineer) have heavy heavy drawbacks.
OW has too many abilities, too many times where I died and I didn’t think the guy deserved the kill. in DB Thunder’s flashbang is lame as fuck, you can’t see AND can’t move, McCree’s FB you can’t move and you just get to watch the guy mow you down. At least in this game Fragger (RIP) had to wind up his nade. Thunder has a bit of fuse time, IIRC. But DB is seriously dipping into tard territory with “THUNDA”.
McCree just presses a button, barely any wind up. At the back of my mind I keep wondering why nobody else isn’t laughing at how stupid it is. I watched some pro quake and tf2 players play McCree, after their thousands of hours of practice, strategizing, aiming, dodging, it seriously seems like a waste of skill to press one button and right click to win.
[quote=“Matuno;178315”]I quite enjoyed the OverWatch beta, even preordered the game afterwards.
The first few days, I really didn’t like it. It’s a bit of a noob-friendly shooter, and I swear there’s aim assists and unusually large cirtboxes on everything.
I’m pretty good in Dirty Bomb, and I know how to land my headshots at any range. Few heroes in OverWatch allow me to do that, and even still, Mei always manages to freeze me and make me rage~.
After a few days, it got better. I stuck to a few heroes to properly learn them, and I’m loving D.Va despite it not being an outright damage dealer. I genuinely can’t wait until the game launches, it looks like good fun![/quote]
then after a few days, when you get back to dirty bomb, your aim is on holliday
[quote=“terminal;181341”][quote=“PurpleNurple;179238”]Overwatch was made for casual players. Blizzard wants people who play WoW, Hearthstone, Starcraft and HotS to play their new shooter. They made a lot of gameplay mechanics easy to use because a lot of players who come from those other games have no shooter background so they needed to make a game where all players can jump into the game, find something they enjoy playing and slowly get better. It’s not like Dirty bomb where a good majority of good plays and top fragging comes from excellent gun play. I don’t even like comparing the two because of that.
On DB you can tell from the start that someone is a new player based on how they play. Other than Overwatch being a Blizzard game, the ability to jump right in and do well is why Overwatch is doing so well. Plain and simple it’s a fun game for people who don’t like shooters and fun for people who want something different from other shooters.[/quote]
Overwatch was inspired by the competitive side of tf2. They improved a lot of things that Valve never bothered to do. This game is able to grab a variety of audience, from ones that can aim (Mccree + Tracer) or the ones that have just come on mobas (Symmetra + Bastion). You have obviously never played the game if you think it’s for casuals.
Also, Dirty Bomb is easy to play. Just saying.[/quote]
by improve you mean “casualizing TF2 gameplay?” suure…
dirty bomb is easy when you get the hang of it.
when you just start playing, its like kicking your teeth to the curb, or a unconsensual sex offender unconsensually mating with your wife hard.
its hard, thats why people play it.
but lets face it, if you compare overwatch and DB is like comparing bicycles with training wheels with a motorcross unicycle that spits fire from its exhaust and the seat is not even comfortable because it was made of wire.
i played the game.
you can only be as good as the heroes can be.
the skill ceilling of playing the heroes already set and its not that high.
and i can prove my point with a test.
play overwatch for a day, then go back play DB.
hows your aim now?
[quote=“buffMonorail;184161”][quote=“terminal;181341”][quote=“PurpleNurple;179238”]Overwatch was made for casual players. Blizzard wants people who play WoW, Hearthstone, Starcraft and HotS to play their new shooter. They made a lot of gameplay mechanics easy to use because a lot of players who come from those other games have no shooter background so they needed to make a game where all players can jump into the game, find something they enjoy playing and slowly get better. It’s not like Dirty bomb where a good majority of good plays and top fragging comes from excellent gun play. I don’t even like comparing the two because of that.
On DB you can tell from the start that someone is a new player based on how they play. Other than Overwatch being a Blizzard game, the ability to jump right in and do well is why Overwatch is doing so well. Plain and simple it’s a fun game for people who don’t like shooters and fun for people who want something different from other shooters.[/quote]
Overwatch was inspired by the competitive side of tf2. They improved a lot of things that Valve never bothered to do. This game is able to grab a variety of audience, from ones that can aim (Mccree + Tracer) or the ones that have just come on mobas (Symmetra + Bastion). You have obviously never played the game if you think it’s for casuals.
Also, Dirty Bomb is easy to play. Just saying.[/quote]
by improve you mean “casualizing TF2 gameplay?” suure…
dirty bomb is easy when you get the hang of it.
when you just start playing, its like kicking your teeth to the curb, or a unconsensual sex offender unconsensually mating with your wife hard.
its hard, thats why people play it.
but lets face it, if you compare overwatch and DB is like comparing bicycles with training wheels with a motorcross unicycle that spits fire from its exhaust and the seat is not even comfortable because it was made of wire.
i played the game.
you can only be as good as the heroes can be.
the skill ceilling of playing the heroes already set and its not that high.
and i can prove my point with a test.
play overwatch for a day, then go back play DB.
hows your aim now?[/quote]
You obviously didn’t do well as the heroes then lmao
Overwatch requires way more aim than Dirty Bomb
Dirty Bomb is just click and drag for 2 seconds and they die
Overwatch requires you to predict, track, and use a combination of your abilities and aim to kill the opposing character.
you can’t argue that you also use your abilities to help you in battle in Dirty Bomb as well because the cooldowns for those are way too long to be used effectively constantly.
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but lets face it, if you compare overwatch and DB is like comparing bicycles with training wheels with a motorcross unicycle that spits fire from its exhaust and the seat is not even comfortable because it was made of wire.[/quote]
Actually it’s like comparing apples to oranges.
[quote=“Cuck;184161”]i played the game.
you can only be as good as the heroes can be.
the skill ceilling of playing the heroes already set and its not that high.
and i can prove my point with a test.
play overwatch for a day, then go back play DB.
hows your aim now?[/quote]
Well, since my aim gets really shitty in DB after playing Red Orchestra 2 for a day, that must mean Red Orchestra 2 is casual as fuck… no, it has nothing to do with the fact that both of these are different. Nu-uh. No way in hell…
And Battleborn… and LawBreakers… and dozen of other hero/ class shoottery shooty shoots that will be coming out in nearbyish future.
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Overwatch requires way more aim than Dirty Bomb
Dirty Bomb is just click and drag for 2 seconds and they die
Overwatch requires you to predict, track, and use a combination of your abilities and aim to kill the opposing character.
you can’t argue that you also use your abilities to help you in battle in Dirty Bomb as well because the cooldowns for those are way too long to be used effectively constantly.
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Overwatch has elements that make DB look easy. But also A LOT of stuff that a half-blind one-armed person can use and “do well”. Pub play experience in OW is a lot like playing rock-paper-scissors. Oh you are going to play a rock? Well too bad there’s two papers (who have never played a fps game before) on the other team so you might aswell quit and punch yourself in the dick to save some time and get the same amount of enjoyment.[/left]
I totally dropped DB since OW release, heck i dont even connect on steam anymore. I just pass around here to see the news.
Its like a MOBA mixed with an fps or something inbetween, thats the kind of game ive waited for a long time, some will say there was TF2 but i never liked TF2 for some reasons.
OW is just the beast i start the game click fast game and 9/10 time im in a balanced starting game with full team. Also you can’t compare OW by your experience during Open Beta cause it was free and there was a lot noobs newbies and kiddies.
Since the release the difficulty really stepped up now that most player are “serious” player that already have some kind of experience.
Also in Overwatch you dont really see a scoreboard or anything looking like that and you cant really see how other people did during the game which is a huge advantage ive never seen anyone get shit on for their gameplay on this game and there isnt this unhealthy competition between teammates.
Other people might think “yes but its a team game playing with random is bad and i have no friends to play it with” and its totally true playing with random people stink like dead corpse.
But i didnt had any friend too, the first day ive put two message on the french “meet players” part of the forum leaving my tag there for people to add me and in a week I had 30 new people in my friend list all between 20 and 25 with mic ready to play this game in squad of six like it should with every single time a very good feeling between players and we have good laugh with potg and other stuff. + its fuckin easy to play with other people. In 3 click its done.
Also the game runs smoothly at 60 fps minimum everytime on my crappy laptop and i never got any problem. Which is not something i would ever say for DB
I had my time with DB, I got a good collection of Special Edition cards and stuff but its over for me, ill probably trade those whenever trading comes in.