I hate this change, the previous gun was absolutely brilliant at all ranges, good firepower & accuracy. That was one of thing that didn’t bother me to drop fops (and the above average guns) to play T-Rat.
You trade it for what? For what used to be Dazzler secondary, a gun with the feeling of a empty plastic gun that is worthless beyond close range.
I don’t get it (or is once again my crappy framerate that makes me one of the few that can’t stand that gun?)
DIRTY BOMB UPDATE: Version 22962 - August 23rd 2013
MrFunkyFunk
(MrFunkyFunk)
#41
Djiesse
(DB Genome editor)
#42
[QUOTE=MrFunkyFunk;464992]I hate this change, the previous gun was absolutely brilliant at all ranges, good firepower & accuracy. That was one of thing that didn’t bother me to drop fops (and the above average guns) to play T-Rat.
You trade it for what? For what used to be Dazzler secondary, a gun with the feeling of a empty plastic gun that is worthless beyond close range.
I don’t get it (or is once again my crappy framerate that makes me one of the few that can’t stand that gun?)[/QUOTE]
I get the impression that they might be trying to nerf T-Rat so that the other engies see more play time 
Proxy and Slugger aren’t bad in defense or if your playing “in your face” offense (anyone who’s played against Grissi as Proxy should know what I mean 
), but T-Rat simply was the go-to all-around engie due to his range advantage over the other two. I wish they could have made the others more “competitive” rather than taking him down a notch…:rolleyes:
Humate
(Humate)
#43
Ghostly predator cloak - quite effective at long range but pretty useless up close. Wanted to be able to sneak around backstabbin’ but didn’t manage to pull this off very much.
Interesting. In my experience its the other way around.
Extremely useful lemming objectives, and backstabbing… not so great for sniping.
However I’m pretty terrible with covert3’s sniper, so it might have something to do with it : /
maxxxxlol
(maxxxxlol)
#45
Downloading at a massive 11 bytes per second. At this rate I’ll have to wait till the game is out to get this patch.
RasteRayzeR
(RasteRayzeR)
#46
With the new patch it’s already way better with the pliers proficiency
neg
(neg)
#47
[QUOTE=Smooth;464709]PS. Apologies as this update will require a full download of the game data again.
This will be automatic, it’ll just take a while for some of you :([/QUOTE]
Is there no HTTP mirror interms of where its grabbing the download from? or does it just selectively let you download certain things from the main mirror itself and not other things? the speed is still abysmal as its always been i mean going from 20-500kb/s is kind of a joke for 3.5gb
can you also look into why the Australian server keeps continually falling over when it has people in it? we (the aussies) have been playing quite often usually getting 10~+ people a night in the server but it always ends up crashing/dying and we have to migrate to an American server, which isnt nearly as fun
jRAD
(jRAD)
#48
[QUOTE=neg;465052]Is there no HTTP mirror interms of where its grabbing the download from? or does it just selectively let you download certain things from the main mirror itself and not other things? the speed is still abysmal as its always been i mean going from 20-500kb/s is kind of a joke for 3.5gb
[/QUOTE]
There’s an HTTP mirror for all content, that’s where everything starts seeding from. In the UK office we download from it at about 40-50Mb/sec. There are definitely Australian Cloudfront edge servers, but it’s possible that they take a while to propagate to.
neg
(neg)
#49
Ah, I have always had major issues downloading the client, my connection is no slouch (for aus standards, 10mb/s down) but i rarely get above 400-500kb/s and its usually extremely inconsistent speed, like i would have to leave it on over night just to redownload the client like right now its sitting on 262mb/3.79gb and 1seed/3peers and its going between 13bytes/sec and 500kb/s
Demanufacturer
(Demanufacturer)
#51
Ive been having consistent slow downloads for the last 3 patches…
Based in Melb, Aus… with a conn that does 4mbps… been getting 4bytes/sec downloads. DL limit is “unlimited” - seems to update large chunks if i leave it on overnight…
A http download would be nice… missed out on some games due to lack of being able to get patched…
As I write this I’m bounced through a european proxy and I’m getting 50-200kbps downloads… a lot faster than i get without a proxy…
Strange -_-
Probably going to post something in tech sup about the download speeds after I do a bit more testing/analysis. All anecdotal right now. I’ve spun up a 8.1 vm but yet to run the launcher through it.
P.S. I recently wasted 20mins of my life whining about the 1gb size of the payday2 updates (they pushed out 4 in the space of a week) on the Steam forums (i’m a big man!!) - then this happens!! omg -_- what happened to the old small pak file patch system!! gawd dam.I know this is the unreal engine etc… I just dont get how games (unreal engine, source engine & others) seem to be getting worse at releasing efficient small patches!! People are always hitting back with “omg get a faster internet connection and move to a first world country” type comments but I haven’t seen anything that explains the logic behind the “here, download 1/3 of the game again for these tweaks we made to the guns” attitude
i know cod is a dirty word but they seem to be handling that kinda stuff well (saying that, ive never played the cod games within 6 months of their initial release)
Guess some of it might have to do with being unable to patch parts of maps… have to redistribute the whole level again??
/rant
There are many sad pandas as a result -_- but the reality is a lot of the rtcw loyalists got real lives (lul) and the die hards already forked over the money so that leaves gen pop… the future is now etc
iwound
(iwound)
#52
whats with self revive. its taking over 5 secs to appear if at all.
not much use if i can respawn and run back quicker.
medic repair is so slow hardly feels worth while. seems too high risk to use.
and where’s my engie gun gone. my fav weapon.
RasteRayzeR
(RasteRayzeR)
#53
[QUOTE=iwound;465098]whats with self revive. its taking over 5 secs to appear if at all.
not much use if i can respawn and run back quicker.
medic repair is so slow hardly feels worth while. seems too high risk to use.
and where’s my engie gun gone. my fav weapon.[/QUOTE]
I can tell you, if you forget to gibb this guy, there is a 100% chance he’s gonna take you or one of your mates down. Damn you Mao ! 
Kl3ppy
(Kl3ppy)
#54
Yeah, it annoyed me pretty often, killed Mao and 5secs later pew pew I’m dead. Stupid because I should already know, GIB MAO!!!
fzl
(fzl)
#55
the new engie weapon is ****…there is no m ore to say…the profienzy abillitys are now better balanced…
the dark skin of t-rat nerves me…and the secondary weapon of dazzler and conker is a joke…more not
now competition is 30% better to play but i hope this is not the final setting…
still miss the spawntimer and the fix for the random spawns…also the fps fix…i hope for the future…
ans wayne interessts movement?..this is still unreAL engine…i missed the good all rtcw times…
INF3RN0
(INF3RN0)
#56
The proficiencies are quite good. I do believe it is time to test a traditional spawn system+on screen timer and see if that further alleviates the problems.
RasteRayzeR
(RasteRayzeR)
#57
Sure hope so, it’s beginning to feel better for the core mechanics, still some work to do on it though
Mustang
(Mustang)
#58
Whoooh CW is looking very nice, keep those pesky yellow pipes to a minimum please.
prophett
(prophett)
#59
I hated his old gun. Can’t comment on the new one because I haven’t played it yet. I hope it’s not worse (as you described) 
RasteRayzeR
(RasteRayzeR)
#60
You can’t get a good kill with it … I’ve been really disappointed to see it lacks power or rate of fire. Could not get a good shot with it