Dirty Bomb recent changes.

(Ads913) #1

Apologies for another thread of negativity about the recent controversial changes to Dirty Bomb.
I feel compelled to speak about this as many peeps are upset at this baffling decision.
As the OCB leader, we have supported this game as a clan in recent years through tournaments helping dbnation and many other events.

DB is the multi-layered game with so many game types it just seems to never get on its feet.
Not many games labor into alpha\beta status for 6 years.
Never the less it a great game.

Removing cmm is at best a lukewarm decision and reverts back to the browser days.
Cmm is an alternative to ranked and many groups of people liked that option for that reason.
Shelving ranked is really a hard pill to swallow, however.

I get confused with such decisions from the game devs. We just had 4 seasons of ranking great times.
All a sudden that was not fit for purpose ??
I bet the majority of the people that play ranked are happy with the mode so whos complaining about it.
Splash Damage is keen on making the community happy though i do not see any reams of comments to kill it. To remove this mode is going to upset people.

This shortens down the modes of play and this imbalances groups who play together most likely to move on to other games. I even get the feeling SD are split on this decision also just reading all the reddits and discord\forum stuff not a great sense of unity.

Surely ranked mode should stay and the people that don’t want it can stay away from the mode.

I had this fear a while ago about the way the game was going in regards to groups of people or clans. Its never been addressed setclantag is the only utility for clans in this game. This was brought to SD attention from us and it’s still not been addressed.These new moves only show a further decline for groups of people to play.

Pug Play and now Faceit tool as an alternative.? Maybe a lazy one.
Are Splash damage doing the unthinkable here tying the dog to the landpost running away.
Dbnation failed because it relied on community helpers.
In time People move on I am not criticising the people behind it they are good people just no mechanics behind it. have a pug mode if need be in the game so you don’t need to rely on individuals. With the decreasing numbers in the game
I cannot see Faceit to be used unless someone in the community takes the time to do all that hard work.

For me, the game needs to cater to all types of players groups modes and more importantly, the group of people this targetted from the start multiplayer shooters. not just the noisy pup followers. Bring back rank even if its endless or seasonless.

(Aerodrome) #2

stopwatch is unpopular mode :confused:
objective is the best bcoz u have limited time for every phaze and u can login any time and play for win no matter defence or attack
u can try to get back ranked … but u need to remove public stopwatch for this and get more players

(spanax) #3

@Aerodrome said:
stopwatch is unpopular mode :confused:
objective is the best bcoz u have limited time for every phaze and u can login any time and play for win no matter defence or attack
u can try to get back ranked … but u need to remove public stopwatch for this and get more players

db IS stopwatch. This, plus the previous two editions were centered around this game mode. Whilst you enjoy objective, some people surely loved execution and some the minimum level servers… it is all getting chipped away by a mastermind that enjoys dedicating years to certain features that get totally erased after.

Us as users we love that! Having to sacrifice parts of the game we enjoy so passionately for future features that never make the cut.

(NamelessSeeker) #4

i m happy with CMM being gone,but this system needs to include the party (upto max 2-3 maybe) mechanics… so that being in pt might take more time to get the match, but atleast give us that option.

I want ranked back as well, even though only a low population played it, but they were die hard fans. Making the game only casual friendly might not be good for long term.

p.s that 1:8 RP:Radz conversation, without much prior notice felt like a big FU to the people who played ranked a lot & wasted/used the pointed on ur “new content to keep ranked fresh” Ranked weapon/Loadout cases/New OBS cards, cuz it was ment to be used for only ranked perpose , NOT anything else. Felt like that Re-release of Obsidians even when it was ment to be time exclusive.

(Aerodrome) #5

@spanax said:
db IS stopwatch. This, plus the previous two editions were centered around this game mode. Whilst you enjoy objective, some people surely loved execution and some the minimum level servers… it is all getting chipped away by a mastermind that enjoys dedicating years to certain features that get totally erased after.
No!
Most happy mode is OBJECTIVE. New players learn how to win and then come maybe to STOPWATCH. Its second mode (~competition). More toxic mode.

Its easy.

  1. Remove this Stopwatch servers forever and all be happy with ranked + more players for your games everyday
  2. All happy and here no problems for OBJective MOde and “Competion”
  3. Advanced players dont care about this STOOPWAtch anyway. Only coming for practice.
(Ads913) #6

from the comments from my post, i can tell what dirty bomb means to people whether its stopwatch, objective, the game caters for this so you guys can happily go on playing your modes. Thats not the my point why remove a a game mode that a certian majority likes.

(Aerodrome) #7

@Ads913 said:
from the comments from my post, i can tell what dirty bomb means to people whether its stopwatch, objective, the game caters for this so you guys can happily go on playing your modes. Thats not the my point why remove a a game mode that a certian majority likes.
listen to me :slight_smile:
u wanna too much:

  1. stopwatch public
  2. stopwatch ranked
    its not good.
    stopwatch = 2 objective mode

Im fan of objective mode, and im not crying where the hell RANKED OBJECTIVE MODE
RIght?
Fans of execution mode even dont have mode at all :expressionless:

So, here only 1 way if u wanna Ranked Stopwatch …
merge 2 same stopwatch mode => ranked stopwatch
or forgot about this
bcoz u wanna too much players who dont care and dont exist

(Ads913) #8

y> @Aerodrome said:

@Ads913 said:
from the comments from my post, i can tell what dirty bomb means to people whether its stopwatch, objective, the game caters for this so you guys can happily go on playing your modes. Thats not the my point why remove a a game mode that a certian majority likes.
listen to me :slight_smile:
u wanna too much:

  1. stopwatch public
  2. stopwatch ranked
    its not good.
    stopwatch = 2 objective mode

Im fan of objective mode, and im not crying where the hell RANKED OBJECTIVE MODE
RIght?
Fans of execution mode even dont have mode at all :expressionless:

So, here only 1 way if u wanna Ranked Stopwatch …
merge 2 same stopwatch mode => ranked stopwatch
or forgot about this
bcoz u wanna too much players who dont care and dont exist

sorry kid if you want to sing about objective mode write your own thread.

(Aerodrome) #9

@Ads913 said:
sorry kid if you want to sing about objective mode write your own thread.
told u dude
stopwatch public is useless mode, just 2 obj + second round without any motivation with different players.
here only 1 way to stopwatch ranked
obj public mode -> stopwatch ranked

developers trying come to face.it but this is external mode ~ 5% popular
fail

(Aerodrome) #10

I can say more:
OBJ Mode is focusing on Time more then Stopwatch
OBJ mode have limited time to repair/plant and etc
I dont know why Stopwatch public is still here :confused:

(kittz0r) #11

@Aerodrome said:
stopwatch is unpopular mode :confused:
objective is the best bcoz u have limited time for every phaze and u can login any time and play for win no matter defence or attack
u can try to get back ranked … but u need to remove public stopwatch for this and get more players

You clearly don’t understand the purpose of the Stopwatch Mode.

(Aerodrome) #12

@kittz0r said:
You clearly don’t understand the purpose of the Stopwatch Mode.
yeah.
im playing stopwatch Public last year and i dont understand :*
most shitty mode all the time.
1 fast repair and all shuffle 10 times during the match or left …
here even shuffle exist in 2nd round!

(Teflon Love) #13

@Ads913 said:
why remove a a game mode that a certian majority likes.

I’m not sure if the majority actually likes Ranked, it’s just the best mode.

My personal sentiment would be that about 25% of ranked games where fun, 15% of casual stopwatch and about 5% of CMM. So consequently I don’t really like any of the modes.

(Aerodrome) #14

guys, i dont really care about ranked. this mode is fun sometimes … not my main mode of the game, im more pub player
but u can loose your ranked in-game forever (here also was ranked points conversion)
if u not shake ur ass and not trying replace current useless public stopwatch

(Aerodrome) #15

its really stupid if u wanna ranked games.
u agree to keep current public stopwatch … for what?
are u happy now to playing on it?

OCB member come here and crying … but developers doing all for OCB members during all the year:
developers ruined OBJ mode, obj servers dont exist in EU Server Browser
what the hell u want more for ranked stopwatch mode?
500 elite players in stopwatch mode?

(Ads913) #16

as much as you have an opinion this thread is about trying to save a part of the game that people like. Aerodrome your trying to hijack or troll(most likely) the subject matter. You’re off in a tangent i would love to have a discussion about the points i raised.For your information, i am the OCB clan leader and I don’t come here crying I come here because of the love for the game the community and SD. Ranked is much more than stopwatch it comes as a package of things which obviously you dont get.

(Aerodrome) #17

@Ads913 said:
as much as you have an opinion this thread is about trying to save a part of the game that people like. Aerodrome your trying to hijack or troll(most likely) the subject matter. You’re off in a tangent i would love to have a discussion about the points i raised.For your information, i am the OCB clan leader and I don’t come here crying I come here because of the love for the game the community and SD. Ranked is much more than stopwatch it comes as a package of things which obviously you dont get.
u wrote too many words in 1 post.
but i dont see really helpful emprovements tips for this game.
are u happy to play with 3 lvl (who dont know the map) in Stopwatch Public?
are u happy to be shuffled when the 2nd round of Stopwatch mode begin and u joining opposite side?
are u happy dont playing OBJ mode in server browser?
are u happy when u cant find ranked match for 15min?
i told u simple things why RANKED fail and was removed.
if u still need Ranked => u need more players => need to remove Stopwatch Public

(Ads913) #18

please boost .

([ *O.C.B.* ] Wildcard) #19

@Ads913 said:
as much as you have an opinion this thread is about trying to save a part of the game that people like. Aerodrome your trying to hijack or troll(most likely) the subject matter. You’re off in a tangent i would love to have a discussion about the points i raised.For your information, i am the OCB clan leader and I don’t come here crying I come here because of the love for the game the community and SD. Ranked is much more than stopwatch it comes as a package of things which obviously you dont get.

Hate to say it man but you’re wasting your breathe on Aerodome, the guy is about as hard-headed as HadronZodiac and is so stubborn he makes us both look like saints in comparison; at least HadronZodiac will accept factual data when it’s presented if he isn’t feeling overly feisty, this guy just plants his feet and won’t budge an inch (good grief, and here I thought I’d be the last person saying something nice about HadronZodiac). You’ll have more luck convincing a boulder to shift of its own accord than you will with getting this guy to grasp why a good chunk of players actually like stopwatch; sure the mode sometimes goes over the heads of some players who are overly used to objective mode, but it still can be just as short.

In stopwatch if you get steamrolled and lose in 4-6 minutes then the whole match lasts at most 8-12 minutes; it only drags on when the match is very well balanced because of shoddy map designs that allow for such stalemates to easily occur with competent players, as opposed to the 15 minute rounds people claim are purely a staple of stopwatch. Spawn timers are intentionally out of sync between teams in Objective mode which can be both good and bad, as it can lead to faster steam rolls or even more frequent stall-outs. Spawn timers are synced between the two teams in Stopwatch mode making the pushes more predictable in timing and thus easier to manage; it also makes it possible to cut off the push from the defenders with properly placed abilities with consistency which does require good timing and positioning to pull off allowing for stall-outs to be broken with less hassle than in Objective mode.

Yes you get 15 minutes as Attackers on the first round in Stopwatch, but that doesn’t mean every game lasts 15 minutes, it’s just the maximum time frame; and matches in a public setting are rarely well balanced enough that this happens, so these cases are anomalies and nothing more than that. Its less a flaw of the mode and more a flaw of the map designs than anything, such as 1st Phase Bridge for instance; I can’t even keep track of how many matches I’ve had on that map that completely stalled out for the full 15 minutes on 1st Phase, such issues are map related as opposed to game mode related and should be addressed. In honesty I’ve played Objective and Stopwatch mode extensively in the past, I didn’t like Stopwatch as much at first either but now I prefer it over Objective mode; Objective mode’s offset spawn timers makes such stall-outs even harder to break at times leading to much more frustrating games when the match is balanced.

(Ads913) #20

@-OCB-Wildcard said:

Hate to say it man but you’re wasting your breathe on Aerodome, the guy is about as hard-headed as HadronZodiac and is so stubborn he makes us both look like saints <
yeah, i realized that on his first reply.