Do you have access to SD VIP forums? i imagine thats how you got to miss the opportunity.
I don’t think SD is willing to take the time to pool large amounts of players. The bigger the testing group the more diluted the message. These are often called focus groups, and for a good reason.
I would really love to be part of this but the chances are almost at zero since I don’t even have an account on SD forums nor I am a prominent persona in the community/the competitive scene.
[quote=“Szakalot;161307”]Do you have access to SD VIP forums? i imagine thats how you got to miss the opportunity.
I don’t think SD is willing to take the time to pool large amounts of players. The bigger the testing group the more diluted the message. These are often called focus groups, and for a good reason.[/quote]
VIP forums are not accessible unless you put way beyond reasonable amount of money founding the game.
Steam’s beta patch system generally split people willing to help from the common rabble automatically. People who do not bother won’t take the time to tick an option in the game properties.
And disabling the xp/stat progression generally prevent the big incentive to get in for people who simply does not care about giving feedback.
[quote=“Szakalot;161221”]@Black surely you can understand why SD would rather have as little and as small leaks as possible? and again, its not about hours, its not about playtime.
none of you missed some application deadline, i recall talks about PTS over a year ago: now SD invited a small group of people to see how its gonna work out, hell - maybe they will scratch out the whole idea if it doesntt
do you get equally upset when you dont get invited backstage after a concert - but musicians friend n family are? SD choose some people in an arbitrary matter, why not respect their decision[/quote]
Choosing people in an arbitrary-…
You know, I don’t need to explain that. It’s just not smart.
Like I explained to Amerika, Dirty Bomb is starting to become a sinking ship due to poor developer choices and design.
[quote=“Black;161367”][quote=“Szakalot;161221”]@Black surely you can understand why SD would rather have as little and as small leaks as possible? and again, its not about hours, its not about playtime.
none of you missed some application deadline, i recall talks about PTS over a year ago: now SD invited a small group of people to see how its gonna work out, hell - maybe they will scratch out the whole idea if it doesntt
do you get equally upset when you dont get invited backstage after a concert - but musicians friend n family are? SD choose some people in an arbitrary matter, why not respect their decision[/quote]
Choosing people in an arbitrary-…
You know, I don’t need to explain that. It’s just not smart.
Like I explained to Amerika, Dirty Bomb is starting to become a sinking ship due to poor developer choices and design.[/quote]
Get off the ship then, and don’t come back.
Guys, stop with the whole thinking-you-should-be-entitled bit.
Testing is usually done with a small part of the community to
a.) Keep the group managable and give them a sense of responsibility
b.) Make sure the testing group isn’t too large to make the ‘live’ game less populated
c.) Be able to enforce the Non-Disclosure Agreement
d.) Cut out the noisemakers that will complain about all things that aren’t relevant, like more than half of this community does.
SD just got itself a small testing group, and shares it with you so you might regain faith in the development of this game. For those that didn’t get the invite - life as usual, move along.
[quote=“Black;161367”][quote=“Szakalot;161221”]@Black surely you can understand why SD would rather have as little and as small leaks as possible? and again, its not about hours, its not about playtime.
none of you missed some application deadline, i recall talks about PTS over a year ago: now SD invited a small group of people to see how its gonna work out, hell - maybe they will scratch out the whole idea if it doesntt
do you get equally upset when you dont get invited backstage after a concert - but musicians friend n family are? SD choose some people in an arbitrary matter, why not respect their decision[/quote]
Choosing people in an arbitrary-…
You know, I don’t need to explain that. It’s just not smart.[/quote]
not smart compared to what? do you honestly think they have the time to screen through THOUSANDS of players and pick the top50-100 out of them? come on!
Like I explained to Amerika, Dirty Bomb is starting to become a sinking ship due to poor developer choices and design.
is it? facts disagree with you, game has been steadily growing in playerbase since initial open beta peak.
[quote=“Matuno;161380”]Guys, stop with the whole thinking-you-should-be-entitled bit.
Testing is usually done with a small part of the community to
a.) Keep the group managable and give them a sense of responsibility
b.) Make sure the testing group isn’t too large to make the ‘live’ game less populated
c.) Be able to enforce the Non-Disclosure Agreement
d.) Cut out the noisemakers that will complain about all things that aren’t relevant, like more than half of this community does.
SD just got itself a small testing group, and shares it with you so you might regain faith in the development of this game. For those that didn’t get the invite - life as usual, move along.[/quote]
Being rational here is somewhat as irrational as the bad communication move they’ve just done.
Honestly this is getting tiring. Every time they have opportunities to do something nice and quiet, they turn themselves into giant horse’s asses.
They had plenty of option WITHOUT spliting the community between have and have nots and this is their choice. Nasty communication fail. They’ve been cuddling us with “your opinion counts” for N years, even allowing us to play test maps. And suddenly they just miss the point and turn the other way around big times.
I support the game, I definitely do, but the ice is narrowing before I give up. That kind of move is not giving a good motive to turn my game on this week-end.
And to be quite clear, this is not giving me faith in the future of the game. This is more proving that they struggle to handle it more than anything else. We’re back to the nexon’s alpha state. That’s a big step backwards.
[quote=“Szakalot;161397”][quote=“Black;161367”][quote=“Szakalot;161221”]@Black surely you can understand why SD would rather have as little and as small leaks as possible? and again, its not about hours, its not about playtime.
none of you missed some application deadline, i recall talks about PTS over a year ago: now SD invited a small group of people to see how its gonna work out, hell - maybe they will scratch out the whole idea if it doesntt
do you get equally upset when you dont get invited backstage after a concert - but musicians friend n family are? SD choose some people in an arbitrary matter, why not respect their decision[/quote]
Choosing people in an arbitrary-…
You know, I don’t need to explain that. It’s just not smart.[/quote]
not smart compared to what? do you honestly think they have the time to screen through THOUSANDS of players and pick the top50-100 out of them? come on!
Like I explained to Amerika, Dirty Bomb is starting to become a sinking ship due to poor developer choices and design.
is it? facts disagree with you, game has been steadily growing in playerbase since initial open beta peak.
[/quote]
I didn’t say that. Let me make it clear I don’t agree with this PTS for reasons B. Montiel explained.
Also the “facts” don’t disagree with me. Why don’t you hit the back button on your web browser to go to the general chat section and look at all the threads of people complaining about DB’s current state. Soon they are going to stop complaining and not come back.
[quote=“Black;161422”][quote=“Szakalot;161397”][quote=“Black;161367”][quote=“Szakalot;161221”]@Black surely you can understand why SD would rather have as little and as small leaks as possible? and again, its not about hours, its not about playtime.
none of you missed some application deadline, i recall talks about PTS over a year ago: now SD invited a small group of people to see how its gonna work out, hell - maybe they will scratch out the whole idea if it doesntt
do you get equally upset when you dont get invited backstage after a concert - but musicians friend n family are? SD choose some people in an arbitrary matter, why not respect their decision[/quote]
Choosing people in an arbitrary-…
You know, I don’t need to explain that. It’s just not smart.[/quote]
not smart compared to what? do you honestly think they have the time to screen through THOUSANDS of players and pick the top50-100 out of them? come on!
Like I explained to Amerika, Dirty Bomb is starting to become a sinking ship due to poor developer choices and design.
is it? facts disagree with you, game has been steadily growing in playerbase since initial open beta peak.
[/quote]
I didn’t say that. Let me make it clear I don’t agree with this PTS for reasons B. Montiel explained.
Also the “facts” don’t disagree with me. Why don’t you hit the back button on your web browser to go to the general chat section and look at all the threads of people complaining about DB’s current state. Soon they are going to stop complaining and not come back.[/quote]
people complaining on forums is your argument? really? how often do you think people that like the game would bother to make a thread about it? you make a thread when something is a problem, not when all is going well.
I see few main reasons why DB is on a good track:
I’m not contesting B.montiel’s point about how they told this to the community, as far as i know they could have kept it hush hush and let the small PTS crowd bug hunt without all this drama.
I still haven’t heard of a single proposition on how should SD decide who gets in/out, nor did anyone address the fact that this is their first time trying it out, so obviously they want to do it with a very small group of people; and the test realm could very well expand in the future, so everyone who is dedicated will get a chance.
Yeah but no. Sorry. Not happening. Even if it would have been public, they are gonna need way more than this.
Agreed. Take from the pool of competitive teams that are left, whoever that may be.[/quote]
Yes, of course… and we thank you snobs for increased spawn timer on 8v8 servers.
Thank you very much.[/quote]
Obviously anyone still playing Objective is a major pleb.
/s
Can you explain how we are the reason for the increased spawn timer on 8s, and why it is even an issue? It affects the flow of the game and brings down a bit of the chaos from the usual 8v8 format. I never play 8v8 Objective cause I am more of a stopwatch kind of person, but on paper it sounds great.
I don’t see why us “snobs” are at fault for this “bad” change. We just want a better game as much as the next guy. (Maybe a little bit more passionately than the next guy though…)
Agreed. Take from the pool of competitive teams that are left, whoever that may be.[/quote]
Yes, of course… and we thank you snobs for increased spawn timer on 8v8 servers.
Thank you very much.[/quote]
Obviously anyone still playing Objective is a major pleb.
/s
Can you explain how we are the reason for the increased spawn timer on 8s, and why it is even an issue? It affects the flow of the game and brings down a bit of the chaos from the usual 8v8 format. I never play 8v8 Objective cause I am more of a stopwatch kind of person, but on paper it sounds great.
I don’t see why us “snobs” are at fault for this “bad” change. We just want a better game as much as the next guy. (Maybe a little bit more passionately than the next guy though…)[/quote]
well objective is pub, and when you are in pub you just want to play and having to wait 30s because you died at a certain moment is just a no go when you are just there to chill out in the game. 30s is an extremely long time. I used to like the chaos of 8vs8 perfect to go around as phantom and slash people but i stopped playing anything more than 6vs6 because of that. I dont want to have to wait half a minute
Agreed. Take from the pool of competitive teams that are left, whoever that may be.[/quote]
Yes, of course… and we thank you snobs for increased spawn timer on 8v8 servers.
Thank you very much.[/quote]
Obviously anyone still playing Objective is a major pleb.
/s
Can you explain how we are the reason for the increased spawn timer on 8s, and why it is even an issue? It affects the flow of the game and brings down a bit of the chaos from the usual 8v8 format. I never play 8v8 Objective cause I am more of a stopwatch kind of person, but on paper it sounds great.
I don’t see why us “snobs” are at fault for this “bad” change. We just want a better game as much as the next guy. (Maybe a little bit more passionately than the next guy though…)[/quote]
well objective is pub, and when you are in pub you just want to play and having to wait 30s because you died at a certain moment is just a no go when you are just there to chill out in the game. 30s is an extremely long time. I used to like the chaos of 8vs8 perfect to go around as phantom and slash people but i stopped playing anything more than 6vs6 because of that. I dont want to have to wait half a minute[/quote]
We are going massively off-topic here but I second this. For me the chaos of 8v8 was a feature, not a defect. Increasing spawn time killed their nature a bit. Instead of trying to reign in the chaos it would be better to remove them altogether. It’s 8v8 on maps designed for 5v5 and mercs balanced for 5v5 - it will never work, no matter how much you neuter them.
You cant sign up. The devs/community managers hand pick whoever they want to be in the program then invite them.
I do not have much problem with this private test server thingy, i just hope that they don´t prioritize players that are playing competive. Good balanced competive matches are great and all but the majority of the game is played in pubs. It would be reallly annoying if they ruin pubs because people in the cool kiddie club suggest changes that make their ´competive´ matches a little better. but is really bad for the average pub match.
SD claimed that DB was to be built specifically for competitive FPS gaming… So I think that SD SHOULD listen to the pub players but I also think that they should listen to the comp players and if the two contradict then heavy investigation should be put into play to figure out the absolute best coarse of action.
