Lequis, as a gamer who almost never quits in the middle of the match, I like your explanation and formula in post #77. Ultimately, it won’t be as important as it is in some of the other xbox live games because bots will fill in the empty slots, and people will be able to join mid-match. From a console gamer’s perspective, being able to join mid-match is probably one of the biggest benefits of dedicated servers.
As for referencing TF2, though Brink will be its own game, the influences/similarities/coincidences are undeniable. One would expect that Splash Damage has taken a look at the game so that they may avoid certain things and emulate others. having not played the ET games, TF2 references are always helpful for me. I’ve played quite a bit of that game (both console and PC).
I was gonna make a new topic, but screw that. I’ll be simple
ADD SOME TYPE OF KICK SYSTEM PRIOR TO RELEASE FOR PUBLIC SERVERS
Tired of playing games where people can “team kill” - “go away from keyboard” - “sit in spawn doing nothing or not even attempting to do something constructive”
pb_kick (number) is decent
or add call vote, just make it so people can only call vote 1 time per 10 minutes or something so it doesnt get out of control with call vote spammers. this would be AWESOME. Add some type of “limit” to it… if the vote pass make the kick last 5 / 10 minutes on the person for that particular server. call of duty 2 was the best at this system… quake 4 had a good one also.
i guess AI[at “expert” difficulty] “replacement” is okay as temporal solution
to fill slots and provide some meatshielding for live players, maybe ? :[
[QUOTE=brbrbr;214208]shot quitter on sight !!
they kill dolphins !![/QUOTE] LOL
As for the kicking and voting, Valve’s console L4D(2) offers the option to vote someone out. I like it. Griefers are in great supply on XBL, and being able to vote them out of the room is sweet, and usually rewarded by someone much more desirable joining in booted-gamer’s place.
As for the kicking and voting, Valve’s console L4D(2) offers the option to vote someone out. I like it. Griefers are in great supply on XBL, and being able to vote them out of the room is sweet, and usually rewarded by someone much more desirable joining in booted-gamer’s place.
At the same time, it is abused as well. Friends of mine, and myself, have been booted from games for trivial things such as not having a mic, being in party chat with people other than the people I am playing with or occasionally shooting teammates trying to fend off zombies, and it clearly being accidental. You are right, there are a lot of griefers on XBL…on both sides of the vote button.
HORSE, you are right, it can be abused. The worst abuse that I have seen is kicking a player simply so that that remaining three on the team can have the I-can-see-through-trees sharp-shooter A.I. as their fourth member. That is total bs and I have seen it happen many times.
I disagree with your example, however. I don’t know of any game in which communication is more important than in L4D. If you were to join a team where only one or two had a mic, then it is obvious that those people are playing casual and don’t care about communication. Fine. If, however, you join a game and everyone on your team is talking and trying to do their best, and they want you to open comms, and you refuse because you want to stay visiting with your friends, or whatever reason, then you can fairly expect to be booted. They have a right to have a 4th teammate who is willing to communicate, just as you have a right to try to find room where it isn’t important. In my opinion, your not communicating is not griefing, but neither is their booting you.
If it isn’t tied to a rep score, then booting/being booted, rejoining etc. is little more than an inconvenience and slight delay of game to those being booted and having to rejoin. Being stuck with a 4th who is griefing (running off on their own on purpose, not leaving the safe house, not helping teammates,afk, etc. etc.) with no recourse to get rid of that griefer, however, is unacceptable, especially in team-oriented games.
If, however, you join a game and everyone on your team is talking and trying to do their best, and they want you to open comms, and you refuse because you want to stay visiting with your friends, or whatever reason, then you can fairly expect to be booted.
That’s complete BS…gaming is about fun, and choosing between friends and talking with random strangers is not fun. Are we in a professional competitive match? didn’t think so…Just because I don’t 1) treat all my gaming like ‘serious business,’ and 2) can actually contribute without the need for voice chat (I grew up playing PC games, back when all there was was type chat,) and a lot of times I don’t even play with sound.(full captions is more effective than the sound cues anyway) doesn’t mean I should be booted, especially before they even seen the what skills/tactics I can bring to the team. It’s like a little kid crying because his mom bought the blue toy and not the green one. It’s just more petty console BS to add to my list of reasons why I will always prefer PC gaming.
in any gaming, there are those who play to win, and feel like if someone isn’t helping the team, that someone should be kicked off the server.
Then there are those who just dick around just to have fun.
Those two groups can never mix, and once they do, one complains that the other is not playing as a team, and winning, despite the server being a pub server, and the other says that they are dicking around because it is “fun”.
Well I say, if you aren’t hosting the game, or using your bandwith to host the server, then you should not tell anybody what to do. If you are hosting the server, you can tell them that this server is a communication server, if you don’t, it automatically defaults to dicking around server.
For the xbox 360, if you want good communication, play on system link, because communicating with those you don’t know, is like dicking around, or play on live with friends that you actually know.
As long as your fun doesn’t get in the way of everyone else then I say it’s fair game. I’d maybe say if I joined a game and everyone was way into it with the comms and I wasn’t I’d probably leave.
I think it just comes down to being considerate which can be a rare commodity at times.
Now people kicking to free up a slot for a friend pisses me off. Either start friend only server or at least have the decency to ask and sheepishly apologise for being screwing up my game.
As long as your fun doesn’t get in the way of everyone else then I say it’s fair game. I’d maybe say if I joined a game and everyone was way into it with the comms and I wasn’t I’d probably leave.
I never said this was the case, I just said they would kick ma and/or my friends for not having a mic or not talking…they weren’t some super serious group of gung-ho l4D players, they were just a bunch of guys that wanted a player with a mic…the situations when it happened to me, they weren’t even talking that much. Kicking someone on the sole basis of not having a mic or not talking is childish and selfish…“I want a mic and you don’t have one…” the Wahhhmbualnce is that way —>
And why if you just want to explore the game engine and do stupid stuff don’t you just do it offline, on an empty server or a locked server? You know somewhere where 15 other people won’t be affected.
Shouldn’t matter whether the server is an open pub or admined server the basic expectation should be people to join one of two teams and aim to win. Yes there is varying degrees of fun people get from that, I enjoy a good game win or lose. But if you’re on a server and intentionally doing stuff that doesn’t help your team you’re IMO as bad as any chronic AFKer or griefer.
No I was just giving an example of where the opposite can apply, that sometimes the person joining could also be more considerate of those already on the server. Of course most of the time, as you say, people are just on a little power trip because they have an excuse to do so.
[quote=SockDog;214754]And why if you just want to explore the game engine and do stupid stuff don’t you just do it offline, on an empty server or a locked server? You know somewhere where 15 other people won’t be affected.
Shouldn’t matter whether the server is an open pub or admined server the basic expectation should be people to join one of two teams and aim to win. Yes there is varying degrees of fun people get from that, I enjoy a good game win or lose. But if you’re on a server and intentionally doing stuff that doesn’t help your team you’re IMO as bad as any chronic AFKer or griefer.[/quote]
no no, not that, I guess I should not have used the word dick around, but I mean, if I want to play my own way to win, but it isn’t the best way, but the most fun way. For example, I like running things over with the hog. Is it fun? Yes, for me. And is it efficient way to win? No.
When I truly want to dick around, I actually join empty lan servers to do that.
The problem with forcing people to have a mic, is that it also means that players are forced to obey certain strategies, or expected to use certain strategies, instead of having fun by using their own strategies that both increase the fun factor, and also progresses their team in for the win, albeit a lot slower.
[QUOTE=SockDog;214754]And why if you just want to explore the game engine and do stupid stuff don’t you just do it offline, on an empty server or a locked server? You know somewhere where 15 other people won’t be affected.
Shouldn’t matter whether the server is an open pub or admined server the basic expectation should be people to join one of two teams and aim to win. Yes there is varying degrees of fun people get from that, I enjoy a good game win or lose. But if you’re on a server and intentionally doing stuff that doesn’t help your team you’re IMO as bad as any chronic AFKer or griefer.[/QUOTE]
As long as you’re aiding your team then yeah. That said there’s plenty of grey foggy patches out there about the degree to which ‘doing it your way’ can slip into dicking around. I guess the same could be said for people chasing obvious single player or friend only achievements in game.
A sprinkle of consideration however goes a long way, including quiting a match in progress. Takes only a few seconds to apologise for having to leave.
Yeah but when everyone expects a shitty experience as the norm it’s hardly surprising when that’s all you get. Now we have voice comms off by default, how counter intuitive is that for a team game?
I know it’s the internetz and all that but I’m not going to say being a dick on a server is okay because everyone does it, or because it’s just a game.
have any of you heard of people who force others to use mics, and they want to coordinate some stat padding action? Never heard of it myself, but have you heard of that? Using a device that encourages teamplay, but to statpad, or truly dick around?
