Custom crosshairs

[Rosskii1]

I have recently seen (no names mentioned) someone using a custom crosshair. They use some 3rd party software that makes it overlay and they disable the ingame crosshair. What is the policy on this?
Some would say its a cheat and ban, other would say solution is to add lots of crosshairs for people to pick from, then the overlay wouldn’t be needed anymore. I think a choice of more crosshairs would be good…

[Yes]

They said it’s fine and anyway, banning someone for using a custom crosshair would be retarded.

[Chase1]

It’s referred to as Mumble Overlay Crosshairs and I use it, because the Vassili crosshair (in-scope) is personally too dark.

It’s not even a cheat because it’s just a crosshair to help you aim. You still require the same amount of skill others need to aim. If you feel that you’re at a disadvantaged, why not use it?
Besides, I’d have used the default crosshairs if the in-scope had the crosshair enabled.

That aside, more crosshairs would be great for the game so that people can have more selection of crosshairs and not: due to mumble overlays.

[Rosskii1]

Yes mumble is the name of the tool this guy was using too. From my experience playing another game, modifying the game using an outside tool is refereed to as a cheat (by some people) because it gives you an unfair advantage over other players. But I personally think its nice that the Dev’s are allowing and I will definitely try this out myself then because I dont get on with the default crosshair choices. I would love to see the Dev’s add a big set of crosshairs to the game though, so everyone is equal.

I use it, because the Vassili crosshair (in-scope) is personally too dark.

woh, when scoped? that actually seems like an even bigger advantage :-p

[cornJester]

Mumble overlays have been confirmed as okay. It is not considered cheating. Only by some of the players and really they’re not the ones in charge of banning so it doesn’t matter.

[Chase1]

[quote=“Rosskii;97376”]
woh, when scoped? that actually seems like an even bigger advantage :-p[/quote]

@Rosskii

It’s not even a cheat because it’s just a crosshair to help you aim. You still require the same amount of skill others need to aim. If you feel that you’re at a disadvantage, why not use it?

[_Grim]

It’s not even a cheat because it’s just a crosshair to help you aim. You still require the same amount of skill others need to aim. If you feel that you’re at a disadvantaged, why not use it?
Besides, I’d have used the default crosshairs if the in-scope had the crosshair enabled.

I’m not against someone having custom crosshairs, but it should be part of the game options and not from a third party program.

However, this logic is flawed. First you state is helps you Aim, then you state you need the same amount of skill others need to Aim, and if someone doesn’t like their disadvantage then they should plug in the same hack to cheat with you.

Depict the Developers allowing it, its still a hack because it’s a 3rd party program affecting the game. Period. This is no different than someone using a Mouse macro and it really should be a ban for using it. Allowing this third party change only clouds the line between what is acceptable gameplay.

[cornJester]

[quote=“Grim;97387”][quote=“Chase;97332”]

It’s not even a cheat because it’s just a crosshair to help you aim. You still require the same amount of skill others need to aim. If you feel that you’re at a disadvantaged, why not use it?
Besides, I’d have used the default crosshairs if the in-scope had the crosshair enabled.
[/quote]

I’m not against someone having custom crosshairs, but it should be part of the game options and not from a third party program.

However, this logic is flawed. First you state is helps you Aim, then you state you need the same amount of skill others need to Aim, and if someone doesn’t like their disadvantage then they should plug in the same hack to cheat with you.

Depict the Developers allowing it, its still a hack because it’s a 3rd party program affecting the game. Period. This is no different than someone using a Mouse macro and it really should be a ban for using it. Allowing this third party change only clouds the line between what is acceptable gameplay.
[/quote]

This is honestly ridiculous. So crosshairs are the same as aimbots now or a macro that lets you fire/perform actions beyond your capability? It doesn’t even change color when over an enemy, it’s a purely static crosshair. Of course a crosshair that fits you will help you aim, even picking the dot over the full does that for some people. If you are more comfortable with what you are aiming with you will hit more.

Don’t go calling other people cheaters because the devs haven’t made it a priority to have more than two standard crosshairs. As for aiming down sights and still seeing it, you can achieve this effect in a very ghetto fashion in game by typing showhudcentre. This will overlay two lines on your screen, essentially an oversized crosshair that works in ADS from inside the game.

Once again, it’s just a freaking crosshair. Get real. Mumble overlay frees up the devs to focus on more important things, beyond just making new crosshairs just so it can be legit to you.

[watsyurdeal]

Next you’ll tell me using Doubleshot PBT keycaps instead of ABS Plastic ones are hacks because they have a better texture, and therefore make movement easier.

That’s a stretch, but so is yours

[_Grim]

[quote=“cornJester;97393”]

This is honestly ridiculous. So crosshairs are the same as aimbots now or a macro that lets you fire/perform actions beyond your capability? It doesn’t even change color when over an enemy, it’s a purely static crosshair. Of course a crosshair that fits you will help you aim, even picking the dot over the full does that for some people. If you are more comfortable with what you are aiming with you will hit more.

Don’t go calling other people cheaters because the devs haven’t made it a priority to have more than two standard crosshairs. As for aiming down sights and still seeing it, you can achieve this effect in a very ghetto fashion in game by typing showhudcentre. This will overlay two lines on your screen, essentially an oversized crosshair that works in ADS from inside the game.

Once again, it’s just a freaking crosshair. Get real. Mumble overlay frees up the devs to focus on more important things, beyond just making new crosshairs just so it can be legit to you.[/quote]

3rd party programs that alter the game are never “legit”, even though it is just a cross hair, it’s still a cross hair from a 3rd party program. it’s black and white. 3rd party programs are cheating, there’s never any grey area here. Period.

Having said that, it does appear the devs are looking the other way on this, but i think that’s a bad idea because it invites controversy over what is acceptable when it should be one answer. No 3rd party programs that alter the game.

[cornJester]

[quote=“Grim;97412”][quote=“cornJester;97393”]

This is honestly ridiculous. So crosshairs are the same as aimbots now or a macro that lets you fire/perform actions beyond your capability? It doesn’t even change color when over an enemy, it’s a purely static crosshair. Of course a crosshair that fits you will help you aim, even picking the dot over the full does that for some people. If you are more comfortable with what you are aiming with you will hit more.

Don’t go calling other people cheaters because the devs haven’t made it a priority to have more than two standard crosshairs. As for aiming down sights and still seeing it, you can achieve this effect in a very ghetto fashion in game by typing showhudcentre. This will overlay two lines on your screen, essentially an oversized crosshair that works in ADS from inside the game.

Once again, it’s just a freaking crosshair. Get real. Mumble overlay frees up the devs to focus on more important things, beyond just making new crosshairs just so it can be legit to you.[/quote]

3rd party programs that alter the game are never “legit”, even though it is just a cross hair, it’s still a cross hair from a 3rd party program. it’s black and white. 3rd party programs are cheating, there’s never any grey area here. Period.

Having said that, it does appear the devs are looking the other way on this, but i think that’s a bad idea because it invites controversy over what is acceptable when it should be one answer. No 3rd party programs that alter the game.

[/quote]
Analogy time!
Because everyone who tries pot is going to go do meth. In this case it would be pot that isn’t even illegal. Sure some people might think it’s still wrong but it’s extremely silly to say it’s the same. You are being extremely closed minded about this whole thing. Nothing is ever just black and white, period.

You are so obsessed with it not being in the game that you wont even stop to think about it. It’s a freaking overlay. You know what else is an overlay? Steam and Origin. You start banning overlays and you are really getting ridiculous. It’s not even a freaking injector.

[3N1GM4]

I personally feel that the black and white question is “does it alter the gameplay in any way” and the answer to that is a “no”

[_retired]

So if I draw my own crosshair to monitor, it is based into someone’s opinion a “hack”?
What on earth are you smoking?

[quote=“Grim;97387”]However, this logic is flawed. First you state is helps you Aim, then you state you need the same amount of skill others need to Aim, and if someone doesn’t like their disadvantage then they should plug in the same hack to cheat with you. [/quote]It helps MY aim. The same crosshair necessarily doesn’t help your aim but even can hinder it.
Or do you like crosshair with a circle and dot in the middle? Would that help you?

Or if person chooses full crosshair over dot, do you think that is “aimassisting”?

Crosshairs are personal choices based into preferences, not objectively increasing your chance of hitting someone except since they are custom you can choose one based into preferences of your own rather than those given by the game.
By your logic it would be as likely that I’m in disadvantage if I couldn’t use overlays compared those who prefer full/dot models of DB.

So if more crosshairs similar to that which I use are added to the game later, is it still a bannable offence?
You do know it is just visual thing and it doesn’t interact with the game in anyway?

Also there’s the cheating of using programs to put button commands to your mouse and change the setting of your mouse, even during game. Cheating!

[_Grim]

[quote=“crabbyDimension;97424”]So if I draw my own crosshair to monitor, it is based into someone’s opinion a “hack”?
What on earth are you smoking?

[quote=“Grim;97387”]However, this logic is flawed. First you state is helps you Aim, then you state you need the same amount of skill others need to Aim, and if someone doesn’t like their disadvantage then they should plug in the same hack to cheat with you. [/quote]It helps MY aim. The same crosshair necessarily doesn’t help your aim but even can hinder it.
Or do you like crosshair with a circle and dot in the middle? Would that help you?

Or if person chooses full crosshair over dot, do you think that is “aimassisting”?

Crosshairs are personal choices based into preferences, not objectively increasing your chance of hitting someone except since they are custom you can choose one based into preferences of your own rather than those given by the game.
By your logic it would be as likely that I’m in disadvantage if I couldn’t use overlays compared those who prefer full/dot models of DB.

So if more crosshairs similar to that which I use are added to the game later, is it still a bannable offence?
You do know it is just visual thing and it doesn’t interact with the game in anyway?

Also there’s the cheating of using programs to put button commands to your mouse and change the setting of your mouse, even during game. Cheating!
[/quote]

Let me state it again, i’m not against custom crosshairs. They are as unique to each individual as their choice in guns, no one player uses them with the same effectiveness as another.

It’s the 3rd party program that is the problem, I use Custom cross hairs in CSGO but it’s part of the game and not a 3rd party program. Everyone has access to it without another program getting involved.

Allowing 3rd party programs to alter the game, even for something like a crosshair invites problems, do we want to allow programs that add aim assist just because some FPS game have it built in?

No we don’t. It has to be a black and white issue or the lines get blurred. Today it’s just a crosshair, Tomorrow it’s just a trigger bot.

[watsyurdeal]

Well guess what, you use 3rd party programs for voice chat, optimizing your computer (game booster), setting up your mouse, keyboard, and headsets, recording footage, I can go on.

There’s nothing going on here except idiocy.

[_retired]

[quote=“Grim;97429”]Let me state it again, i’m not against custom crosshairs. They are as unique to each individual as their choice in guns, no one player uses them with the same effectiveness as another.

It’s the 3rd party program that is the problem, I use Custom cross hairs in CSGO but it’s part of the game and not a 3rd party program. Everyone has access to it without another program getting involved.

Allowing 3rd party programs to alter the game, even for something like a crosshair invites problems, do we want to allow programs that add aim assist just because some FPS game have it built in?

No we don’t. It has to be a black and white issue or the lines get blurred. Today it’s just a crosshair, Tomorrow it’s just a trigger bot.[/quote]What do you mean “tomorrow”?

If person wants to actually aimbot he just does it.
it’s not like custom crosshair is some kind of 3rd party gateway drug.
It doesn’t invite any problems outside your head, obviously.

Let’s just say if they wouldn’t add custom crosshairs and have these two lousy excuses for crosshairs, I would QUIT the game.

This 3rd party program which is same as drawing your own cross on to a monitor is-leads to cheating is just point blank retarded.

You got all this black and white issue totally wrong. The line is where the personal preference ends and changes into actual gamechanging mechanic.

[cornJester]

[quote=“Grim;97429”][quote=“crabbyDimension;97424”]So if I draw my own crosshair to monitor, it is based into someone’s opinion a “hack”?
What on earth are you smoking?

[quote=“Grim;97387”]However, this logic is flawed. First you state is helps you Aim, then you state you need the same amount of skill others need to Aim, and if someone doesn’t like their disadvantage then they should plug in the same hack to cheat with you. [/quote]It helps MY aim. The same crosshair necessarily doesn’t help your aim but even can hinder it.
Or do you like crosshair with a circle and dot in the middle? Would that help you?

Or if person chooses full crosshair over dot, do you think that is “aimassisting”?

Crosshairs are personal choices based into preferences, not objectively increasing your chance of hitting someone except since they are custom you can choose one based into preferences of your own rather than those given by the game.
By your logic it would be as likely that I’m in disadvantage if I couldn’t use overlays compared those who prefer full/dot models of DB.

So if more crosshairs similar to that which I use are added to the game later, is it still a bannable offence?
You do know it is just visual thing and it doesn’t interact with the game in anyway?

Also there’s the cheating of using programs to put button commands to your mouse and change the setting of your mouse, even during game. Cheating!
[/quote]

Let me state it again, i’m not against custom crosshairs. They are as unique to each individual as their choice in guns, no one player uses them with the same effectiveness as another.

It’s the 3rd party program that is the problem, I use Custom cross hairs in CSGO but it’s part of the game and not a 3rd party program. Everyone has access to it without another program getting involved.

Allowing 3rd party programs to alter the game, even for something like a crosshair invites problems, do we want to allow programs that add aim assist just because some FPS game have it built in?

No we don’t. It has to be a black and white issue or the lines get blurred. Today it’s just a crosshair, Tomorrow it’s just a trigger bot.

[/quote]

Wow… just wow. A crosshair, something that does not implement artificial skill vs all of those things you mentioned that do. THAT is the difference. You are playing on your own.

People are smart enough to realize what is merely a visual aid in an overlay and what is adding artificial skill in place of your own and playing the game for you. This slippery slope you fear does not exist, it will never happen. The devs are perfectly capable of banning the programs you fear and people are not so stupid that they would think “oh I can use a crosshair, next I think I will try aimbot!”

If they ARE that stupid they will get banned anyways… There is no blurry line here. Overlays are fine, artificial skill is not.

[opicr0n]

Are you guys still feeding? ^^

[_Grim]

Are you guys still feeding? ^^

Having a difference of opinion doesn’t make someone a troll, unlike yourself who provided nothing but bait. So move along troll.

[opicr0n]

[quote=“Opicron;97438”]Are you guys still feeding? ^^

Having a difference of opinion doesn’t make someone a troll, unlike yourself who provided nothing but bait. So move along troll.[/quote]

Thanks for contradicting your own point there. You suggesting custom crosshair should be bannable is plain trolling. That is my opinion, which nicely fits your initial statement: “[snip] doesnt make someone a troll”. Even though you trying to make me out like one ;).

And if you would care to take notice of the smiley used, you would know I was putting my post lighthearted. Please lighten up ^^.