Creating original content

(stealth6) #1

Continuing from here:
http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21132&page=2

[QUOTE=aaa4;225302]no, fighting a lifestyle. you also didnt get my point.

you did not quote me correct. if you quote me right then you will see that sd actually got sponsored and payed by id and id also was credited and everybody knowing the history of egoshooters will accept that credits. sd is not like: “hey all you game companies, im am so skilled, look, this is all done by me” no, they didnt do that.

and it is good that you do not try to reeinvent the wheel, nothing bad with it. but thats ordinary, sorry to say. you did not really think about what you say, you are just doing it like every other ordinary human. thats unfortunately like it is. there are about only 2% of humans existing beeing able to really bring sth new. you can map this digit exactly on this forums and see that it really is representative. there are not many original mappers, at least that fake level here is too high.

so im just trying to make that clear for you. i am more than bored to see in another thread again beeing about another thompson with just another skin and re-trised abit. i mean why do you open this thread. “oh look what ive done isnt it great”. but infact you are just taking the credits of another developer and AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ALWAYS FORGET.

and if you want to open up a bottle towards gaming industry, then you will see exactly the same view in there. there are games so annyoing and boring because they are just copied, ripped, borrowed. these games are refering to companies beeing exactly as boring and fake as mappers here in this forum, taking even credits for what other people did.

and there are also existing arguments towards sd for only creating a mod with et, yea i read that article. me could also take it to that level, but i see the love, and thats a difference. not offending anything, i already spend too much time with that stuff, so lets just leave it like that. it always depends on the subjects emmitting their stuff in a certain way and how they behave. if they think they got skill then i come into game, because it is distorting reality and i can see that others really also think that it takes skill.[/QUOTE]

now I think you are going too far in your crusade for creativity :smiley:
I think all the mappers here always add something new, sometimes it’s not alot but by gradually adding bits and bobs new inspiration is formed.

Always making 100% new content is basically impossible and that way nobody would want to contribute anymore, result -> game dies.
Thanks to all these ‘fakers’ there is at least some flow of content being produced to keep the game alive!

Actually their existance gives you a purpose too so they aren’t that bad :smiley: without them you’d seemingly have nothing to post about haha :tongue:

(aaa4) #2

well you gotta be extreme to state your point. how else could you reorganize the people. they simply dont get that what they do, in such an extreme way, where it is normal that you steal the et stock source files, adding more and more stuff from others, and even try to modify it so that it looks like your own work, simply is wrong.

speaking about taking the glory for others work. this could happen to you also in reallife, so you gotta create some sensibility. there are always forces serving for a good equilibrium, so im not afraid of that, you get my point. and even if i get hardcore, i will one day reach my goal in at least converting one of these fake dudes, making the world a bad place.

beeing original is nothing bad, and if you are not, take out your name, best would be if you give no credits at all, just an email adress, so that the mapfile is really completely reduced to itself, and there is no noticable connection to you as the fake mapper and therefore no possibility in increasing that internet fame factor.

its like taking only the A grades and making yourself look towards others, while just blowing the teachers ***. its the society aspect im fighting. if you create content which cross that naturally given border, then just deliver your map into filefront or wolfmap, write an appropriate readme which shows that you actually can evaluate the others work, and then leaving only an email adress or sth else, but just not showing your name and person to others so that you get respect for that work others did. not to speak about the style on writing your name on the commandmap or on the loading screen.

and there are alot of works last times definitly crossing that border, here in this forum, and where i would recommend that readme convention. not to speak about if you give the credits but you really messed that credited guys work.

in fact you should not even be allowed to create a thread for lets say a ripped and little modified thompson. because it is showing off others peoples work and making it look like you did so much work to it. infact taking the credits for other people. so just deliver your work, silently, humiliate yourself so that i can see that you show respect to others peoples work. just dont make a big wave and all is good.

(Cambodunum) #3

… am i right or wrong in this topic?! xD
… still not sure / confused

… sorry couldnt resist
… aaa4 needs new input

greetz Cambo

(aaa4) #4

i saw your bunker map, now thats your real skill. i hope you dont forget that.

so im looking forward to your presentation. follow the readme convention and reducing your name to an email, not saying anything about your real internet presence, would be appropriate.

(ischbinz) #5

for my personal luck i added aaa4 to my personal ignore list - the 1st one i added
so i cannot follow the whole discussion
why i added him?
always says bla - but never show HIS results of work…
before i don t see any topic of him “my work/map/model” or something he stay on it -

for me its okay to use prefabs -
if you say it inside the readme - okay for me
prefabs are normally just small parts in a map -
if you never use one of them - you re not allowed to use any “standard” model - like the tanks or the truck
you have to create everything by yourself - and i think there are not many mappers outside which could so this :slight_smile:

(system) #6

(again) don’t feed the troll

(Darkix) #7

I fed the troll and he raped me. Don’t do it.

(Pegazus) #8

“Don’t feed the troll”

Ah grow up, you guys are acting like kids, don’t feed the troll, you believe yourself what you are talking? I understand why to say I am a jackass, troll, orc or a monster for being mean to IndyJones.
I got the finger shown for what I thought was the right thing to do.

I’d say “Don’t spoil the foolish mappers”

(Yay, i’l get banned for this probably, which would not be such a bad thing anyways if we think about it)

Edit: I wish aaa4 good luck with fighting against this, but it seems to be a war that can not be won.

(dwe_flame) #9

[QUOTE=ischbinz;225316]for my personal luck i added aaa4 to my personal ignore list - the 1st one i added
so i cannot follow the whole discussion
why i added him?
always says bla - but never show HIS results of work…
before i don t see any topic of him “my work/map/model” or something he stay on it -
[/QUOTE]

Well without offence, he does got a point here.
I have not seen any of your work ?
did you ever made a map, or even tryed ? you know how many hours it consumes ?
then when you look at some broken down bunker for example.
you can put in hours of time to make that (4 - 5 hours) when you can als put in a prefab that covers 90% of what you wanted there.
so in the end you only need to edit it a bit and you have in 1 hour a same result as you would have done in 4-5 hours.
although i must agree with the originality, its more original to make it all your own.
but when you are just starting a first map, and you already know it wont be the best of the best, why you wanne waste hours and hours on little stuff that you can also get from prefabs.

So when you never have done any map, or not even have tryed. how can you know what you are talking about ?
To give a example: most maps (yea the ones that have prefabs in it) already take over 300 hours of work.
to make it all original… would be over 600…

(shagileo) #10

[quote=dwe_flame;225338]Well without offence, he does got a point here.
I have not seen any of your work ?
did you ever made a map, or even tryed ? you know how many hours it consumes ?
then when you look at some broken down bunker for example.
you can put in hours of time to make that (4 - 5 hours) when you can als put in a prefab that covers 90% of what you wanted there.
so in the end you only need to edit it a bit and you have in 1 hour a same result as you would have done in 4-5 hours.
although i must agree with the originality, its more original to make it all your own.
but when you are just starting a first map, and you already know it wont be the best of the best, why you wanne waste hours and hours on little stuff that you can also get from prefabs.

So when you never have done any map, or not even have tryed. how can you know what you are talking about ?
To give a example: most maps (yea the ones that have prefabs in it) already take over 300 hours of work.
to make it all original… would be over 600…[/quote]

I couldn’t say it better !

(system) #11

[QUOTE=Pegazus;225336]“Don’t feed the troll”

Ah grow up, you guys are acting like kids, don’t feed the troll, you believe yourself what you are talking? I understand why to say I am a jackass, troll, orc or a monster for being mean to IndyJones.
I got the finger shown for what I thought was the right thing to do.

I’d say “Don’t spoil the foolish mappers”

(Yay, i’l get banned for this probably, which would not be such a bad thing anyways if we think about it)

Edit: I wish aaa4 good luck with fighting against this, but it seems to be a war that can not be won.[/QUOTE]

Mhmm, its just better to deliver some constructive comments than just bash the hell out of it :wink:
I’m just looking forward to test new maps getting released :slight_smile:

(Darkix) #12

I found this quite… contradictory.

Post in this thread:

[QUOTE=Pegazus;225336]“Don’t feed the troll”

Ah grow up, you guys are acting like kids, don’t feed the troll, you believe yourself what you are talking? I understand why to say I am a jackass, troll, orc or a monster for being mean to IndyJones.
I got the finger shown for what I thought was the right thing to do.

I’d say “Don’t spoil the foolish mappers”

(Yay, i’l get banned for this probably, which would not be such a bad thing anyways if we think about it)

Edit: I wish aaa4 good luck with fighting against this, but it seems to be a war that can not be won.[/QUOTE]

And his post in another thread:

[QUOTE=Pegazus;225335]Just to let you know, IndyJones, I am not aaa4.

I have nothing against with getting inspiration* and well quite frankly i don’t really care anymore weather a map is ripped/extracted/copied anymore. So you got a green light to do whatever your heart desires with COD, SOF and even with Brink in the near future and so on and on, because it seemed that nobody really cared (besides aaa4, sage, shagileo, paul, th0rn3, manwhore and few more who i dare not to mention) I just wonder when originality will be back in highlight instead of cough you know what.

Also thank you for your compliment, it shows I am still in your heart. Aww… (Ps. thanks for the insults to aaa4, I hope SD admins actually do something with you not close his eyes on you like last time… {Yeah that was a hint to one of the admins})

*Definition of Inspiration

Edit: Forgot to mention: Nice map. I like space so looking forward to it.[/QUOTE]

Hmm now?

(reaply) #13

This needs to stop, or at least put this in the general ET section.

(dwe_flame) #14

well this has all to do with editing and mapmaking :slight_smile:

but i guess all have sayed atleast something on this subject now, so guess it can be closed :rolleyes:

(shagileo) #15

@ Darkix:

Sorry- I think I missed your point. Could you explain what is contradictory

(aaa4) #16

well this topic hadnt be up if there were not people regularly crossing that certain border and customizing themselves with someone else’s work.

if that wouldnt be the case then a topic like this wouldnt even be up. just there is a certain boarder and if the rules are not strictly explained in a law or sth else where everbody having a little brain would agree, then you will always see people commiting the crime against that law, even if its unwritten, knowing they are currently commiting sth wrong or not.

that has been the same before the bible was created. there were always peopel who just didnt get it. and exactly those people who have been so creedy have always been the true people gone mad, because they are simply bugabusing all the time, doing harm to everybody.

(aaa4) #17

well this topic hadnt be up if there were not people regularly crossing that certain border and customizing themselves with someone else’s work.

if that wouldnt be the case then a topic like this wouldnt even be up. just there is a certain boarder and if the rules are not strictly explained in a law or sth else where everbody having a little brain would agree, then you will always see people commiting the crime against that law, even if its unwritten, knowing they are currently commiting sth wrong or not.

that has been the same before the bible was created. there were always peopel who just didnt get it.

(AlphaRed12) #18

But you are suggesting that everyone must ONLY create custom content and NOT be a recreation of other content. You want to know why people don’t do this? Its because many people don’t want new stuff (or atleast are hesitant to use new stuff). People will always fall back to the stuff they know work and know they like (as can be seen by the usage of original maps). Hence people like and want to use content from other games that they like. And with such a demand comes a supply.

I’m fine with peopel recreating content from other games as long as they credit properly and appropriately. But to attack people just because they enjoy remaking certain content from other games is purely idiocy. If anything, direct your attention to those who credit improperly. Those people are your true audience.

(stealth6) #19

[QUOTE=aaa4;225402]well this topic hadnt be up if there were not people regularly crossing that certain border and customizing themselves with someone else’s work.

if that wouldnt be the case then a topic like this wouldnt even be up. just there is a certain boarder and if the rules are not strictly explained in a law or sth else where everbody having a little brain would agree, then you will always see people commiting the crime against that law, even if its unwritten, knowing they are currently commiting sth wrong or not.

that has been the same before the bible was created. there were always peopel who just didnt get it.[/QUOTE]

This topic is up because you keep posting it all over the place, and on flames topic was just wrong imo… But anyway here you can go wild!

omg, reading the other topic, I am probably an offender too, every time I make a map I import players.map made by 2bit but I never credit him :s
I also use command post prefabs :open_mouth: On top of that the command posts use the standard model.
I am already a multiple offender! In fact I actually learnt mapping from the 2bit tutorials but failed to credit him in every map I make :frowning:
I am a horrible person how can I sleep at night…

(aaa4) #20

this is just an implication of what i said. argumenting the low level when i already argumented the high level :smiley: