Controllers vs mouse/keyboard

(Apoc) #41

I recon he got mediocre at a game, played some noobs who say that he is hacking, which isnt really an achievement buddy, you can get called a hacker for having a kd ratio above 1 these days with the kids that play, then he decided he was the best person in the world ever and decided he wanted a bigger challenge.

Now instead of making thousands of pounds by playing competitively in tornaments and LANs on all sorts of FPS games that he would of course have won as he was (UNMATCHED), he decided to buy a £20 controller and dedicate 3 years of his life to getting just about as good with it as an above average mouse user.

Congratulations dude. You fail at life.

Also no one cares if you think your good. Iv never heard of you and by the sounds of it no one else has, we honestly dont care what youve done. If your argument is that brink should have compatability with the xbox360 controller then just write that, theres no need to make up ridiculous amounts of unfounded bull***** if you dont enjoy getting torn to pieces by everyone with a brain.

(Ragoo) #42

[QUOTE=Hyrage;285870]Loving eSports doesn’t mean loving the games that were selected. I don’t enjoy the randomness in CS:S and I don’t think the powerups in Quake III make much sense and I’m not a RTS player anymore. Still I love competitive games and what eSport attempts to be. It’s like I love martial arts, but I don’t like all of them.
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A lot of the strategy in Quake is based on powerups and timing them, how do they not make sense o_O The game would probably be way more plain and stupid if it wasn’t for the powerups.

Wow, only 3 months and I will hit rails like k1llsen? Damn, didn’t know that. Brb practicing 3 months.

edit: btw, what is the next troll (/noob) you expect to make a thread here? We already had someone saying weapon damage is way too low and should be more like CoD, someone saying guns should have more recoil, someone making a thread about female characters again and now someone who wants to play with controller on his PC.
I think we need some noob saying BRINK doesn’t look realistic enough and should be darker and more brown/grey and military style. :slight_smile:

(Hyrage) #43

[QUOTE=Apoc;285871]I recon he got mediocre at a game, played some noobs who say that he is hacking, which isnt really an achievement buddy, you can get called a hacker for having a kd ratio above 1 these days with the kids that play, then he decided he was the best person in the world ever and decided he wanted a bigger challenge.

Now instead of making thousands of pounds by playing competitively in tornaments and LANs on all sorts of FPS games that he would of course have won as he was (UNMATCHED), he decided to buy a £20 controller and dedicate 3 years of his life to getting just about as good with it as an above average mouse user.

Congratulations dude. You fail at life.

Also no one cares if you think your good. Iv never heard of you and by the sounds of it no one else has, we honestly dont care what youve done. If your argument is that brink should have compatability with the xbox360 controller then just write that, theres no need to make up ridiculous amounts of unfounded bull***** if you dont enjoy getting torn to pieces by everyone with a brain.[/QUOTE]
And who ever said I needed you to believe my statements. The thing is, what really happened did happen and you can’t change that, even if you believe in it or not, but the difference is that it’s my story and you don’t know anything about it; fact.

But, because I (or anybody else) actually mentioned what I said earlier, you now have reasons to question if game controller are really that bad for FPS games or if our pro gamers really are the best players we ever had.

(Linsolv) #44

I’m also kinda surprised that he’s claiming to be the greatest gamer of all time, including with a 360 controller, and yet he hasn’t even cashed in on 360 tournaments. He’s not even demonstrated being on the level of zzirGriz (who, before becoming a YouTube phenom, was winning tournaments with his demonstrable skill). Really?

(Hyrage) #45

I’m actually surprised that you can’t read properly and actually take pleasure at twsiting words for your own satisfaction. Feeling better?

(Bridger) #46

Yeah, I thought all high skilled players used really low sensitivity and large mouse pads (for precision). I use low sensitivity, myself, it just feels easier to me.

(Hyrage) #47

[QUOTE=Ragoo;285872]A lot of the strategy in Quake is based on powerups and timing them, how do they not make sense o_O The game would probably be way more plain and stupid if it wasn’t for the powerups.

Wow, only 3 months and I will hit rails like k1llsen? Damn, didn’t know that. Brb practicing 3 months.

edit: btw, what is the next troll (/noob) you expect to make a thread here? We already had someone saying weapon damage is way too low and should be more like CoD, someone saying guns should have more recoil, someone making a thread about female characters again and now someone who wants to play with controller on his PC.
I think we need some noob saying BRINK doesn’t look realistic enough and should be darker and more brown/grey and military style. :)[/QUOTE]

Timing weapons is cool, but it doesn’t end there, but it doesn’t end up there. you are bascially saying that facing a guy with a shotgun on a wall corner and get auto-killed actually requires skills; it doesn’t.

If you can pickup an Armor vs someone that doesn’t have one = unfair. It’s not fair just because it’s on the map, you have to go deeper than that.

(Linsolv) #48

Twisting words? Who’s twisting words? Did you not just say that you were the only person on the ENTIRE PLANET who was on your level? Did you not just say that you didn’t like ANY of the 3 largest competitive games?

Or are you saying that you’re NOT the best in the world with the 360 controller, but you are with KB+M, and that anyone who was experienced enough with a 360 controller could beat the best PC players in the world, 360 controller vs kb+m?

Because I think you’ll actually find that “I’m the best playing in the world but I just don’t want to prove it” will actually be more defensible.

EDIT: See, the thing about strategy (it’s a competitive thing) is that you have to deal with unequal forces sometimes.

(LyndonL) #49

Why are you even posting in this thread? Let it die off the front page.

(Linsolv) #50

Because I’m bored of ed lolington.

(Ragoo) #51

[QUOTE=Hyrage;285879]
If you can pickup an Armor vs someone that doesn’t have one = unfair. It’s not fair just because it’s on the map, you have to go deeper than that.[/QUOTE]

Haha, now I’m convinced that you have no clue what you are talking about. It’s not like armor spawns randomly lol

I’ll stop feeding the troll now.

(Hyrage) #52

[QUOTE=Linsolv;285881]Twisting words? Who’s twisting words? Did you not just say that you were the only person on the ENTIRE PLANET who was on your level? Did you not just say that you didn’t like ANY of the 3 largest competitive games?

Or are you saying that you’re NOT the best in the world with the 360 controller, but you are with KB+M, and that anyone who was experienced enough with a 360 controller could beat the best PC players in the world, 360 controller vs kb+m?

Because I think you’ll actually find that “I’m the best playing in the world but I just don’t want to prove it” will actually be more defensible.

EDIT: See, the thing about strategy (it’s a competitive thing) is that you have to deal with unequal forces sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Let me correct you then.

I’ve precisely pointed out that I did play to a higher level back in 2003 and added that a lot of pro players right now are not at that level yet. That said, maybe only a very few people in the world are playing at this very high level and they may not even play the same game.

And I said that controllers are way too underrated when it comes to aiming. I do not have as much time as I used to have, since I spend more at making games rather than playing. Still, my aiming skills with a game controller are decent enough to prove that a 360 controller can compete with mouse+keyboard when it comes to most FPS games.

[QUOTE=Ragoo;285888]Haha, now I’m convinced that you have no clue what you are talking about. It’s not like armor spawns randomly lol

I’ll stop feeding the troll now.[/QUOTE]

It’s not because both teams or both players can pickup the armor that it makes it a balanced feature. The most important part is the skill required to eliminate an opponent when you wear the armor and how challenging (if there is any challenge) it is to deal with an enemy that has the armor.

There is 2 layers to balance. The shotgun from Halo was actually a really good example. If you can’t eliminate an enemy because he just got a stronger weapon or armor = then it’s unbalanced.

(Apoc) #53

Let me just summarise.

The controller is an inferior aiming device to the m/k, this im sure we can agree on, since as you state, it takes 3 years with a controller to get as good as someone can in 3 months with a k&m (your words).

What i think your missing out on is: Once you play for 3 months with a k&m, you dont just stop learning, just the amount you learn is reduced, much like with any skill, the initial learning period is full of huge advances in your skill level, then you reach a level, and then the skill increase is much more gradual.

Now the issue is, that with a k & m once you reach that level, your skill increases over the year will basically be a mix of; Slightly more precise aiming, faster reactions, speed to reach target reduced and better general game sense.

The problem with a controller is, that at the very top, you cant reach the heights you can with a k&m, the skill cap is lower. Im not saying you cant get very good, but you cant reach the top.

Much like playing baseball or tennis, with a poorley made bat or racket, you can still play with it, if you spend enough time you may even get better than some of your friends! But when it comes to it, if you play perfectly with the broken bat, and someone else plays perfectly with the well made one, you cant compare.

Also i recognise you will never accept your wrong, as to do that would also be accepting that youve wasted 3 years of your life, so ill make this my last post on this thread.

(beute) #54

Im convinced that this guy is in fact the founder of all religions.

You cant argue with him and what he says is fact, no matter what…
we’re supposed to disprove what he says instead of him proving it…

Constantly comes up with bull**** to cover the other bull**** he said, and then he wants us to prove that he is talking bull**** and not the other way around…

just drop it guys, he is trolling or insane.

(Nail) #55
(A.i) #56

“I’ve precisely pointed out that I did play to a higher level back in 2003 and added that a lot of pro players right now are not at that level yet. That said, maybe only a very few people in the world are playing at this very high level and they may not even play the same game…”

Post few videos comparing pro players of 2003 and current ones and then yourself, that would have reduced this thread by atleast a page…

(riptide) #57

[QUOTE=Hyrage;285907]Let me correct you then.

I’ve precisely pointed out that I did play to a higher level back in 2003 and added that a lot of pro players right now are not at that level yet. That said, maybe only a very few people in the world are playing at this very high level and they may not even play the same game.

And I said that controllers are way too underrated when it comes to aiming. I do not have as much time as I used to have, since I spend more at making games rather than playing. Still, my aiming skills with a game controller are decent enough to prove that a 360 controller can compete with mouse+keyboard when it comes to most FPS games.
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So which studio do you work for?

(Linsolv) #58

We’re all game designers, bro. Don’t try to show how pro you are or something.

(If I were anywhere near the programmer I am a designer, and anywhere near the 3d artist I am a programmer, you might actually like my little pet project. But I’m not. Doubt it’ll ever go anywhere, sadly…)

EDIT: Of course, it’s worth noting that I’m a hobbyist, but at least I can admit it.

(Hyrage) #59

Gameloft Montreal, sister company to Ubisoft, as a technical game designer. We are actually responsible for the Modern Combat franchise on iPhone and PS3, Dungeon Hunter, Gangsta, Asphalt and many others. It’s amazing to see what they do in such short period of times, but sure nothing as big as a AAA title like Brink.

(Rex) #60

After reading a thread where a guy thought that a selfkill is an exploit used by proplayers, I really thought this is impossible to overcome in lowskill.
But now I realized it actually is! :rolleyes:

I really worry about the Brink community, what I read so far I predict the Brink community is going to be very “SMART” :rolleyes: Ohh dear…